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Posted by: Achronos
Arbitrary forum title is arbitrary.


um.............................can I have your's then? (nervous smile)

  • 04.13.2009 5:15 PM PDT

Posted by: Curto21
Posted by: Achronos
Arbitrary forum title is arbitrary.


um.............................can I have your's then? (nervous smile)
They were handing them out for free a couple days ago, didn't you hear?

  • 04.13.2009 5:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: Achronos
Arbitrary forum title is arbitrary. That being said, the way the trust system works, it is not trivial to remove the historical entry of the ban. I justify it by pointing out that most accidental bans are the result of you being very near to someone else who got banned, and the moderator deciding you were collateral damage.

At any rate, the way titles work now is rather inscrutable - kind of like the old Halo 3 melee system. Does its job, but appears random to you guys even if it is anything but. I'm currently designing a replacement that will be more transparent and more interesting. Trust will still be a factor, but not the only one.
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  • 04.13.2009 5:18 PM PDT
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I don't pay much attention to titles and all that, so I don't think they are really all that important to interacting with the forums. I don't even know what my title is, and perhapseven more telling; I don't really care.

Though I can somewhat understand the benefit the titles have given us in the form of people wanting to get some "elevated" title so they can...be subtly narcissistic. To that end, I can also understand why the OP thinks this is a big deal. His logic, or perhaps more accurately his argument as to why this is needed is my issue. As others have already mentioned, "worked hard" and a forum title on these boards mix about as well as oil and water.

By working hard, people are simply not being banned or warned, and staying somewhat active. While I can appreciate them trying not to break the rules, doing what equates to one's duty is not exactly an accomplishment in my eyes. Its doing one's duty, and nothing more. People can argue that since its sort of rewarded on these boards, you could call it an accomplishment and therefore argue that someone actually "loses" it when they're warned or banned or inactive. Those people would be on the denotation totally correct, but in the connotation I still think that since they are in effect completely arbitrary and based on something which is insanely easy to do that they're not actually losing anything. On top of that add my notion of them not meaning anything aside from being a carrot dangled in front of the donkey that is an account on a website, and I think we can all see the actual banality of titles.

However even though I think titles are kind of pointless in the end, I'm not opposed to something like this being implemented eventually. That said, I'd still prefer a plethora of other things take priority over this, and I'm sure the Web Team has engaged that noumenon long ago and came to a similar decision.

Long story short, meh. But only a slightly dismissive meh. Not a completely apathetic meh.

  • 04.13.2009 5:41 PM PDT

The day I get a Pink Bar, and a title that has something to do with kittens, is the day I shall care.

Waitwat? That's not the point? Jus' sayin'.

Anyway, I'm just adding weight to the "bars/titles aren't too relevant to me" opinion. Though, they could be a little more "fun".

  • 04.13.2009 5:45 PM PDT

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  • 04.13.2009 5:47 PM PDT

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I used to be Heroic, then I got banned for a stupid reason... twice...

In all, Bungie has given me a month worth of vacation time.
I see.

Well, sort of. But I don't see the point. Would you like a blog?

Anyway, I used to be an hero -- an fearless one at that. But now... now I am but a fearless peasant! And we all know what happens to fearless peasants....

I'm going to kry now.

  • 04.13.2009 5:50 PM PDT

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Learn 'em, live 'em, love 'em. Then we can all be happy.

I like this idea of positive reinforcement. It's better to encourage good behaviour by encouraging good behaviour, rather than by punishing negative behaviour. Bans and blacklists are going to have to remain, obviously, but if members learn the rules themselves because they know they'll be rewarded for doing so, then it ought to work well.

  • 04.13.2009 5:51 PM PDT

Fedaykin Guard: That, and as long as forum titles remain "fun"... and, in addendum*, remain, well, just that -- a title. As opposed to being an arbitrary rank.

If the only difference between a Peasant and a most noble Knight is a tag on their shirt that says "Hello, my name is <name>", and "Hello, my name is <name>, and I am an hero" -- then all shall be well here.

*I learned this word from you, evilcamera -- you seem to use that that werd a lot 'round dese parts.

  • 04.13.2009 5:58 PM PDT

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.

The job of the title bars is to get people emotionally invested in the forums, and it seems like it's doing an okay job.

  • 04.13.2009 6:02 PM PDT
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Yax is a shining beacon in these dark times. You should all strive to be more like Yax.

Posted by: Achronos
I'm currently designing a replacement that will be more transparent and more interesting. Trust will still be a factor, but not the only one.
Is it sad that I am now quite excited?




I already know the answer to that...

  • 04.13.2009 6:04 PM PDT
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Can Ninja's have customizable titles? :D

Posted by: Achronos
It is too inscrutable and offers too little customization, and isn't that fun. There are better ways to get the same result of positive reinforcement that I expect from it.

  • 04.13.2009 6:17 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
Can Ninja's have customizable titles? :D

Posted by: Achronos
It is too inscrutable and offers too little customization, and isn't that fun. There are better ways to get the same result of positive reinforcement that I expect from it.


.....You use Coup......

It would be interesting to see what yall put up there.

[Edited on 04.13.2009 6:20 PM PDT]

  • 04.13.2009 6:19 PM PDT

Flood Kids? Lol.

I enjoy this thread for 1 reason

2 months ago, I posted a spam (Wahh 1 week ban big deal). Then about another
week later, I was banned for the EXACT SAME POST! That time it was a 2 week ban.
I was ticked of, appealed to the Ninja (secret) that banned me, he said Nothing about
if I was banned because of the same post from before, but he just said It was now a 2 week
ban -.-

I was mad, and to this day I have a bit of a grudge against that Ninja.

  • 04.13.2009 6:48 PM PDT

Posted by: Achronos
Arbitrary forum title is arbitrary. That being said, the way the trust system works, it is not trivial to remove the historical entry of the ban. I justify it by pointing out that most accidental bans are the result of you being very near to someone else who got banned, and the moderator deciding you were collateral damage.

At any rate, the way titles work now is rather inscrutable - kind of like the old Halo 3 melee system. Does its job, but appears random to you guys even if it is anything but. I'm currently designing a replacement that will be more transparent and more interesting. Trust will still be a factor, but not the only one.

"Collateral damage"?

  • 04.13.2009 6:49 PM PDT

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Yeah I agree with Foman on this one. He stated it very well... Its not fair to be set back at the bottom of the rating, but I mean, I'm sure there are other priorities, and hopefully this is fixed in the future..

  • 04.13.2009 7:22 PM PDT

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but, doesn't the effect of the ban wear off after a certain amount of time? Your not starting from square one. Your just encumbered with a temporary decrease in trust. If I'm not mistaken, when the time frame is up, you jump right back to where you were in trust rating. It's not fair, but it is temporary.

  • 04.13.2009 7:51 PM PDT

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Learn 'em, live 'em, love 'em. Then we can all be happy.

Actually, I think it does set you back to square one, or something like that. I'm sure I've seen legendary members demoted to normal members after suffering a ban...

I used to be a Heroic member, but I think I got banned for a day or something, or otherwise had my rank reset. It may have just been reset because my rank was glitched, though; I did go from heroic to legendary quite quickly, too. As in, about a week, for no reason. It is kind of annoying that I don't know why, though.

Also, in terms of titles on B.net, the only difference we have at the moment is a trust rating calculated by a computer. So, you're right. Maybe there isn't really that much difference. Except, a legendary member might have a daily post count of 10 a day, combined with a zero ban history. A new member might be just as trustworthy, but they'll still be just a member, because the system doesn't have the data to justify a higher rank.

I mean, you can't have the system here check out another site, and go, "Oh, they've got a good background. It's okay Bruce, they're cool, they're on the list." The system needs you to have beenn here for a little while, so it can check your activity against your ban history, and probably a number of other unknown factors. I can't pretend to know how the system works, but I hope I'm at least somewhat right, here.

Also, if a noble knight was an hero, then their title would be printed on their tombstone.

[Edited on 04.13.2009 9:35 PM PDT]

  • 04.13.2009 9:25 PM PDT
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Posted by: Duck duck DEATH
Trust does not reflect intelligent posting.


I completely agree.

However people will skip over a clear, well written, and intelligent post because that user doesn't have a shinny bar.

  • 04.13.2009 10:09 PM PDT

I spend too much time here.. too much time indeed.

I tweet?

Would "Acceptable Casualties" work for you?

I suppose an example would be that you posted in a thread that was fine at first, but perhaps right around the time you posted it all crumbled and fell apart. So in order to prevent further corruption the mods lock the thread and ban those who they see responsible. Now see, since your post was made around the time the tread had a melt down a mod in a frenzy of banning may just happen to associate your name among the others thus leading to you ban as well. Even if your post was geniunely not bad.

It happens, not much can be done about it, people make mistakes and the mods are in fact people. Accept Foman, he's some kind of cyborg mod linked directly to Bnet.
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Posted by: Achronos
Arbitrary forum title is arbitrary. That being said, the way the trust system works, it is not trivial to remove the historical entry of the ban. I justify it by pointing out that most accidental bans are the result of you being very near to someone else who got banned, and the moderator deciding you were collateral damage.

At any rate, the way titles work now is rather inscrutable - kind of like the old Halo 3 melee system. Does its job, but appears random to you guys even if it is anything but. I'm currently designing a replacement that will be more transparent and more interesting. Trust will still be a factor, but not the only one.

"Collateral damage"?

  • 04.13.2009 10:11 PM PDT

I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.

How did this become another thread about forum bar color/titles? Its amazing how you do that!

  • 04.14.2009 10:14 AM PDT
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Yep....

Ha. Ninjas banning by accident...
And yes that idea would have been great.

  • 04.14.2009 10:22 AM PDT

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