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Subject: does anyone smell something fishy... elites in MP...
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i'm just guessing.... but having the elites be a part of MP leads me to think they must have some pivitol role in halo 2... perhaps even helping the MC?... and come on, what would be more bad ass then MC and a group of Spec Op elites fighting together.... how would this come about?... i have no clue, but hints have already been thrown out as to the hostility between brutes and elites...

  • 07.14.2004 9:56 AM PDT
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No.

  • 07.14.2004 10:02 AM PDT
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Well, in MP they fight against each other.

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read the books. i dont even want to explain how dumb this is.

  • 07.14.2004 10:03 AM PDT
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Ignore these four words.

Doubt it strongly... but anythings possible.

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Posted by: Helljumper76
No.


What he said.

  • 07.14.2004 10:03 AM PDT
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Posted by: MadSniper2
Posted by: Helljumper76
No.


What he said.


What they said

  • 07.14.2004 10:06 AM PDT
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Posted by: Draken
Doubt it strongly... but anythings possible.


its also possible for a flying barage of head-cheese warriors from the planet Urination come down and scalp all the ants in south america.

  • 07.14.2004 10:06 AM PDT
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I bet a group of elites rebels in Halo 2. It makes perfect sense.

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Posted by: The Tomato
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No.


What he said.


What they said


What they all said....


Covie will never ally with Humans!!!

  • 07.14.2004 10:08 AM PDT
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Its alsot possible that my army of slug worriars will escape from their confinement in my basement and start consuming the world. today, my table, Tomorrow, my basement. Next year, My backyard. In a long, long, long, long, long time, THE WORLD!!!

  • 07.14.2004 10:09 AM PDT
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Posted by: Notorious J
I bet a group of elites rebels in Halo 2. It makes perfect sense.


i dont know what youve been eating, but it makes absolutely no sence. Elites are the most noble for there religion. To rebel, or switch sides would bring giant dishonor upon him. Not to mention the fact the covies are the winning race. they have no reason to switch.

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Excepting, of course, that the Elites discover that the Prophets have been lying to them for thousands of years.

Imagine they discovered that the Forerunner were Humans and that the prophets, scared that they might lose their powerful grip over the Covenant commanded that humanity be destroyed.

  • 07.14.2004 10:12 AM PDT
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actually, maybe you're all the dumbasses. the are a -blam!-load of human are forerunners theories, and, if just one of them is right (that 343 quaote in the maw is the most supportive), then the elites could find out that the humans are forerunners, and that the prophets new all along, and choose to fight the humans out of political reasons and pride and such (after all, if the forerunners came back to the covenant, it would mean that the prophets would no longer be the leaders, as the prophets indubitably realize), and so, the elites, would feel betrayed by the prophets as they had bee "tricked" into waging war against their gods. the elites would then be truly honored to fight with us, and not disgraced.
-blam!-! too god damn slow. now i look like a copying dumbass.

[Edited on 7/14/2004 10:17:50 AM]

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I'm with the last two guys on this one all the way. Finding out humans were forerunners would be enough to drive a stake between the prophets and the elites. They never got along well anyways, and elites are more concerned about expansion and power so switching is a definite possibility in Halo 2.

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besides, elites aren't really "arrogant". They actually just want to fight and kill, and, in doing so, honor their gods. The prophets are the true heretics, exploiting this religion while they themselves pay mere lip service to gods from whom they steal and plunder.
Add: Also, if the elites rebel, I think they should take the grunts with them. the grunts, being a conquered race, and being only serfs in the covenant caste sysem, shouldn't have much of a problem going to humanity. now, some think the grunts "hate" the elites, and the elites think the grunts are scum. However, once the elites realize that they too, are merely the prophets priviliged pawns, they might kind of fell "sorry" for the grunts (i don't really think the elites can feel sorry in the sense that we do, but they would feel a sense of kinship, like repressed minorities rallying against "the man"). The grunts in turn, don't hate the elites, they hate being used as canon fodder, and indeed, already respect/fear the elites themselves. once the elites came around, the grunts would probably go with them. Of course, the Jackals would see this as verification of what they knew all along: the grunts are inferior to themselves, and the jackals would stay with the prophets. The hunters, as anyone who has read the covenant primer on this very site would know, feel a certain kinship with the elites and their warrior mentality. As the hunters are a more recent addition to the covenant hordes, they would see no problem with taking advantage of the current situation by returning to their homeland and returning to their ancient ways, not to be seen much in halo 2 (it saddens me), or, forming their own rebel faction and striking back with a passion, or, just shoot everyone else, or join the elites but not the humans (the hunters have no particular reverance of the forerunners, or join the human side. Th brutes would obviously seize advantage of the power vacuum and start filling the elite role, or maybe there would still be a few, thick skulled elites still loyal to the covenant (their most probably will be, as bungie has been hyping the enemy elite AI alot). This mass defection could provide humans with some of our "lost" technology, and help explain how we could possibly win this war.

[Edited on 7/14/2004 10:38:53 AM]

  • 07.14.2004 10:25 AM PDT
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BUT, because the humans were getting their arse handed to them, the elites would be less inclined to think of them as 'god-like'.

  • 07.14.2004 10:30 AM PDT
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I dont believe humans are forerunners, and nobody should be as sure as you guys are. You dont even know the story of halo 2, so dont go acting like your the freakin writers with all your "humans ARE the forerunners" crap.

[Edited on 7/14/2004 10:35:32 AM]

  • 07.14.2004 10:34 AM PDT
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I have a copy of the Halo 2 script, got it off ebay so there.

  • 07.14.2004 10:36 AM PDT
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Posted by: Creeping_Death
Well, in MP they fight against each other.


and will probably fight with eachother in MP as well since a player can select either elite or spartan. BTW, for all those who think that having a mixed team of elites and spartans in MP is wrong and doesnt follow the storyline; if it did follow the storyline, why are we seeing elites use human weapons in MP?

  • 07.14.2004 10:41 AM PDT
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Posted by: SilentHunter
BUT, because the humans were getting their arse handed to them, the elites would be less inclined to think of them as 'god-like'.

well, it would be relativley simple to explain to them that we lost our tecnology/had it stolen by rebelling prophets in some elaborate story, or, we could simply tell them the truth if we have found out what it was by the time they rebelled. of course, some elites would still think the humans weak, but the prophets are, without out a doubt, weak and frail, and the elites have, for now, served them. of course, as my edited post above says, some obstinate elites would stay with the covenant, so we can fight against thier advanced tactics in game.

  • 07.14.2004 10:42 AM PDT
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No.


What he said.


What they said


What they all said


I concur!!

  • 07.14.2004 10:46 AM PDT
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Posted by: johny joe
I dont believe humans are forerunners, and nobody should be as sure as you guys are. You dont even know the story of halo 2, so dont go acting like your the freakin writers with all your "humans ARE the forerunners" crap.

humans aren't necesarily the forerunners as we know, however, they could be a leftover offshoot from the firing of the halos. I mean, how many sci fi movies involve earth being destroyed and the survivors going to some "new" earth or something, and how many sci fi movies have the lone survivors of some superior race stranded on some primitive planet without memories of what they once were, or some variations of those themes? how hard would it be to beleive that this kind of thing happened in reverse, with a humans being the remnants of some vastly superior race, as opposed to humans becoming vastly superior, vanishing, and leaving behind surviviors to be fruitful and multiply. Bungie seems to be fond of tying in religion, and her's my "garden of eden" theory: The humans/forerunner existed in a mechanical paradize, with wealth and superior medicine combating disease and poverty. every one would be getting along and such. Then, the humans/forerunners start meddling with genetics, and they build the halos as a failsafe (it's a proven fact, halo=failsafe), but they left one system safely out of harms way, on which they put some people just in case, and totally severed contact so if anything catastrophic happened, it wouldn't happen again. Then, the humans/ forerunners accidently or deliberatly created the flood, and they were forced to activate the halos, effectively casting them out of paradise and leaving them on earth, where they had all sorts of problems and stuff. I'm not quite sure how the covenant factor inton this, but it is important to know that the forerunners didn't create the covenant as we know it, the covenant started with elites and prophets, who then wnt on to expand and conquer. maybe the forerunners and prophets were enemies in a long lasting war that was so devestating to the prophets that they were left on some prison planet that was also out of the halo blast radius so the prophets could suffer there for eternity. maybe this prison planet was the elites home world, and the prophets hunted the early elites until the elites evolved intelligence, and a primitive elite emissary went to the prophets asking about the cities of the gods, ancinet forerunner debris left in orbit. the prophets told them the oral history that they knew, which at this point was horribly inaccurate. eventually, the elites/prophets managed to get into space and study this wreckage, whic was how they first came to travel between the stars. this would explain the covenant reverance for forerunner artifacts, as forerunner artifacts freed them from the harsh enviroment of their prison planet. this would also explain why the elites are so much more evolved than other covenant, they are stronger and smarter, because they had much more time to progress than the other races (i.e. grunts, jackals, and prophets).

  • 07.14.2004 11:00 AM PDT
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wow, this theory is starting to ask for one of those "compilation" posts.

  • 07.14.2004 11:03 AM PDT
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Or how bout, MP has absolutely nothing to do with the campaign, just like in HALO.....

  • 07.14.2004 11:18 AM PDT

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