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[color=lime]I got this from HBO thread- I DID NOT WRITE THIS[/color]

Okay, I'm no bible scholar, but after looking at the *awsome* Halo story website for a while, it occurred to me that perhaps the name of our hero, the Master Chief, is of some significance (as all good fictional names should be). In this case, according to Fall of Reach, the master Chief's name is John 117. Hopping over to the ever-simple to navigate www.bible.org, I found the following text at John 1:17

1:17 For the law was given through Moses, but [footnote 11] grace and truth came about through Jesus Christ.

the text of the footnote follows

11tn "But" is not in the Greek text, but has been supplied to indicate the implied contrast between the Mosaic law and grace through Jesus Christ. John 1:17 seems to indicate clearly that the Old Covenant (Sinai) was being contrasted with the New. In Jewish sources the Law was regarded as a gift from God (Josephus, Ant. 3.8.10 [3.223]; Pirqe Aboth 1.1; Sifre Deut 31:4 §305). Further information can be found in T. F. Glasson, Moses in the Fourth Gospel.

Looking at both texts, I believe it is safe to say that the MC is Jesus and the Covenant are, well, the Covenant (aka the Old Covenant, aka Moses).

In a very literal translation of the footnote, Humanity, through the avatar of John 117, the Master Chief (Jesus), is bringing grace and law to the universe through direct conflict with the Old Covenant of laws that were given by God (the Forerunners) to Moses (the Covenant).

Why is this significant? (the following is all speculation)

To me, it seems that the Forerunners once gave instruction to the Covenant as to how to govern the universe (or, more likely, the galaxy), but the Covenant failed to understand the laws in a manner which was acceptible to the forerunners. The Forerunners then took a more direct approach, crafting humanity into a more moral race (see all the info on the aztecs, etc. at the Halo story page, with regards to Forerunner symbology and structures), and imbuing humanity with the ability to fight the covenant, and restore morality to the galaxy. I believe that it is safe to assume that the Covenant are wholly alien to the Forerunners, but were deemed trustworthy to safeguard the galaxy from the Flood, and were elevated to hold elite (pun intended) status over the other races of the galaxy, through the use of Forerunner technology and instruction. However, the Covenant then built up a religion (focused on the Forerunners) which was too hierarchical and allowed slavery (this is almost a direct parallel of our world's actual history - Jews of old had slaves, as well as an extrememly hierarchical religious structure). In light of this development, the Forerunners created or helped create a race which could defeat the covenant and take over the governing of the galaxy with a more moral code of conduct: Humanity. Presumably, this guidance in creation is behind the scenes and under the table, as no humans (except for perhaps the Aztecs - see above) are aware of it. The close Forerunner bond to both Covenant and the Humans in this scenario explains why English is spoken by both groups, and why Cortana can interface with the Forerunner technology in the control room. It also explains how human tech can open forerunner doors (cutscene during 343 GS), and why 343 Guilty Spark speaks English (with a much wider vocabulary than any of the other characters in the game, I might add).

Anyway, now that my main point is through, I'm going to stop this post. Thanks for bearing with all of the speculation, and please follow the safety diagram whenever using a SPNKr.

-The Shrike

  • 07.14.2004 5:27 PM PDT
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well i gotta hand it to u kid. I have no idea what any of that means but, good job!

  • 07.14.2004 5:30 PM PDT
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[color=lime] hey! I didn't even notice that 343 uses a much better ENGLISH vocabulary then MC and Cortana....huh.[/color]

  • 07.14.2004 5:30 PM PDT
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HALO is about an evil alien race bent on destroying the human race, and there winning. MC is a biologically advanced warrior who fights them off. Now, does that sound AT ALL like the bible? Was jesus a biological experiment? Did he fight off aliens? MC is NOT jesus dumass. man, i thot halo would be the one thing that would get me away from religiously bent ppl.

  • 07.14.2004 5:31 PM PDT

I'm sorry. but last time i checked, jesus never killed any evil space zombies.

  • 07.14.2004 5:31 PM PDT

"The way of the warrior is the path of shadow. The gift of the warrior is to percieve that which cannot be seen. The spirit of the warrior is to strike in a single moment. The destiny of the warrior is balance in all things. And when balance is lost... all that is left is the reckoning."

Whoa, that actually...kind of...makes...sense. The title is misleading though. But other than that it kind of shows why the Humans have a lower tech than the Covenant, they were made after and had less time to evolve. But it does seem to make a lot of sense.

  • 07.14.2004 5:34 PM PDT
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Every thing racks up to make sense, I think you got it. Good job.


[Edited on 7/14/2004 5:39:14 PM]

  • 07.14.2004 5:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: Deidg Nactal
I'm sorry. but last time i checked, jesus never killed any evil space zombies.


MC takes the act of jesus.

  • 07.14.2004 5:43 PM PDT
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I wonder why this thread hasnt been modded yet since it's based on religious views..

  • 07.14.2004 5:45 PM PDT
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because this game seems to have religious symbolism in it

  • 07.14.2004 5:47 PM PDT
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nice job man, good references and everything. If I were to believe a theory (which I dont) this one would rank pretty high up.

  • 07.14.2004 5:53 PM PDT
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I need a weapon.

i think it is a good theory, but Halo draws not only from Christianity but from Greek and Norse mythology as well as others . . . its a compilation of religion, numerous different games, books, etc. . . . the guys at BUNGIE r geniouses and very good at making a collage

  • 07.14.2004 6:22 PM PDT
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it all makes sense the covenant made a covennant (agreement with god) with god (forerunners) that they would rid the earth of all other religions and unholy specimens (humans). but then master chief (jesus) came and showed that god wasnt like that and he saved us.

(im not really religious but i am a catholic)and i know basic elements of the bible

  • 07.14.2004 7:02 PM PDT
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MC isn't Jesus any more than Neo

Whoa!!! Exelent!!!

  • 07.14.2004 7:10 PM PDT
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That makes more sense than "JN 11:7 Then after that saith he to his disciples, Let us go into Judaea again." lol, I wonder about the other spartans and their numbers, might have to translate some of the names into greek or something and thats alot of work

  • 07.14.2004 7:19 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

not bad,but these theories need to stop. nobody has beaten Eagles theory,and no one will anytime soon,so just stop already

  • 07.14.2004 7:23 PM PDT
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this guy says he's no bible scholar...from the looks of it i think he could be a religious studies proffesor

  • 07.14.2004 7:23 PM PDT
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man i learned about this like last year im getting tired of seeing it and besides mc is like the opposite of jesus in a way

  • 07.14.2004 7:25 PM PDT
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MC is diffenetly not Jesus but he potrays an image of a saviour. Because he has to rid the world of the Covenant (in other words,bad) to bring the human race to salvation.Besides Jesus (or God) had to actually kill people just to rid the world of bad.Just like the flood in the Bible,he had to get the message across.Maybe bungie did research this or used it to build their story on because everything comes together and makes sense.

Also what is Eagle's theory?

Peace

[Edited on 7/14/2004 8:03:26 PM]

  • 07.14.2004 8:01 PM PDT