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Ok, then why NOT pick some decent mods for this forum? You know, people who actually give a toss about The Maw! There are more thyan a few people here who would be willing to take the job on.

I think that maybe they should look at appointing certain SENSIBLE people from each forum to moderate thier peers. Only seems right to me. That way we can erradicate this useless system (if that's what you can call it) and get back to some sort of normallity. Of course, the existing mods would be opposed, probably because they would lose thier privelages, but the way I see it, those privellages are being mis-used and where I come from if you mis-use your privelages you lose them. Simple!

There are a few of us here that have been here for a considerable amount of time and we have seen The Maw go from a friendly, helpfull forum into a big black hole, and I don't blame the visitors (completely). When decent threads are locked for no apparent reason and flamers and people after pirated copies of Halo PC are left to do as they wish, something is definately not right!

Thing is though Mr.B, the mods are hoping for the sort of apathy that you have just dispolayed, hoping, well no, wiating for this to blow over. I'm not a happy chap at the moment with the current situation and I don't think the boys (and girls) at Bungie would be too happy about the crap that's allowed to go on here.

Are you happy to see things continue the way they are, or are you prepared to take a stand? I personnally can't stand the current situation and it seems that I'm not alone. After all, what's the point in having The Maw for Halo PC if we can't discuss Halo and PC related issues in piece without fear of getting blacklisted?

I've just been over to Zanzibar again and I couldn't believe the stuff that's being posted! There are thread titles that would have equalled an instant ban in my forum, but they are allowed to continue without so much as a warning! Why should we bear the brunt? Ok, sometimes there ARE some dodgy people on here, but on the whole, we are a peacefull bunch who do NOT deserve to be treated the way that we currently are.

On another note/ example or whatever you want to call it... The Map Vault sticky. After PM'ing the mod concerned, I decided to take it upon myself to try and sort it out and contacted several of the Halo CE map sites to see if they could help out by letting us link to certain files, but the unanimous reply was 'no', so instead of messing around any further, I built another (smaller) version of Halomaps to satisfy the demand and notified the mod... Guess what? No response and I think they have absolutely no intention of actually doing anything about the sticky, so just remove the damn thing! What's the point in asking members to do something and then just blanking them when they do?! You make me sick, so take your empty gestures and I'm sure I don't need to tell you what to do with them...

How about some feedback Bungie, things CANNOT continue the way they are and you know it! Pass the moderating onto people who actually care and would actually do the job instead of acting like they are something special, and this place could go back to some kind of normality...

You know it makes sense!

  • 05.06.2005 4:21 AM PDT
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Sorry if you got the wrong end of the stick... I wasn't sounding off at you in particular.

The fact that we haven't so much as had a response is piss poor, and, when (if) we ever DO get a response, this thread is going to be locked down straight after whoever says thier piece... Not good!

There are a few of us who aren't interested in an apology, we just want this issue resolved and some sensible discussion wouldn't go a miss... It would seem that this is too much to ask though.

  • 05.06.2005 4:44 AM PDT
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You know the mods will do one of two things:

1. Give us a short response, not lock thread.
2. No response, lock thread.

I highly doubt we'll get anything. As it is we've probably pissed them off enough. Someone would probably jus tlove to blacklist us...I wonder if they're discussing this in their forum...am I being quoted on this...

Lol, I think the titles are funny. I have the html link saved on my desktop. Whenever my pointer hovers above it a new phrase shows. Just sort of funny. Maybe it points to a better, more carefree and not so crazy time that we once had?

  • 05.06.2005 6:24 AM PDT
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Damn Muffmeister and Mr.B you write long post. Any way i agree we need the moderators to layoff a little and be cool about alot more things. I might get blacklisted in 5...4...3...2...1...LOL

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  • 05.06.2005 8:14 AM PDT
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I did not tell anyone to get a keygen. I may have said that keygens will let you play singleplayer if you lost your key. There is a difference and if you can't find it, you shouldn't be a moderator. Not saying it was their fault. The way things played out, it seemed like a bug.

  • 05.06.2005 9:09 AM PDT
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Hey, I know you didn't tell anyone where to get it - you just told them what it could do. The mods are a bit strict and inconsistent, that's all. I still don't know why I got banned a while back.

  • 05.06.2005 11:26 AM PDT
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Thanks for clearing that up Chewy.

You guys are making a lot of points, but I don't see any solutions being put into action - remember that this thread was made to open dialogue - not to beat the mods down. I have pm'ed Stosh and asked for mod powers - maybe within the next few days, I can get an answer.

BTW - I find some particular titles on Bungie's site offensive. I think they are out of place. They need to realize that the gaming community is older now than it has ever been. We are more mature, and we'd like to see that reciprocated. I'm glad somebody brought this up because it has been bothering me for awhile.

  • 05.06.2005 12:19 PM PDT
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i leave these forums for 3 days, and look what happens when i come back. well, you guys are right. The mods don't care about us. We should do something, but what?

  • 05.06.2005 12:33 PM PDT
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Eat bananas is what we should do! I don't like that bar either and I don't like the fact that the site has been poorly written so it works slowly with FireFox.

  • 05.06.2005 12:47 PM PDT
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I have pm'ed Stosh and asked for mod powers - maybe within the next few days, I can get an answer.

I'm sorry man, but I don't think that anyone who asks for it should actually be granted thier wish. There should be some sort of voting among the members here as to who should become a mod, but to be honest, I can't see it happening. The mods themselves are probably opposed to the idea to start with...

...and from what I've seen, there is no mod bashing going on as such.

  • 05.06.2005 2:56 PM PDT
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Posted by: Muffmeister
I have pm'ed Stosh and asked for mod powers - maybe within the next few days, I can get an answer.

I'm sorry man, but I don't think that anyone who asks for it should actually be granted thier wish. There should be some sort of voting among the members here as to who should become a mod, but to be honest, I can't see it happening. The mods themselves are probably opposed to the idea to start with...

...and from what I've seen, there is no mod bashing going on as such.


Fine. Then vote on it. I'm just trying to take an active role in correcting the situation. If this thread goes unanswered by a mod for another 24 hours, I will bring it to the septagon - I invite the rest of you to join my efforts when the time comes.

I was serious too - if you really think we should vote on it, then you should make a poll - judging by your demeanor, it would probably be improper for myself to start the poll, but frankly, I don't care. I find that direct communication with the mods tends to work best when the situation can be handled dicreetly.

I don't see why the mods wouldn't want help. As far as bashing - yes, let's keep it that way. The time will soon come when ideas and proposals must turn to plans and strategies. Theory is nice - Execution is nicer.

  • 05.06.2005 4:21 PM PDT
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Agreed. 24 hours, and if there isn't an answer, to the Septagon we go!

Seriously, not even an acknowledgement of any of these issues or problems has been made. Even that would release some tension, and we could take a minute to breathe. Ahh, yes, they agree with us on some stuff, now maybe we can open talks. But no, they're probably just sitting in their own little forum they belong to, strategizing how to justify shutting down the thread...

This shouldn't be a republic here at b.net. It should be a democracy. We should have some say, and not be banned arbitrarily while others who do something that is far more drastic go unscathed. Recognizing that many mods are fair, and I like a lot of them, I am not a fan of the interaction between them and us in the past few months - and it's starting to culminate now.

We're pretty much in a deadlock right now. I really doubt they'll even venture into this thread. Septagon is approaching on the horizon...

  • 05.06.2005 8:52 PM PDT
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Wow i dont think the moderators are CARE!!

  • 05.07.2005 7:01 AM PDT
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WOW!!!! i`m actualy surprised this thread is still here...how come?

HEY MODSQUAD!!! honor us with a decent answer for your lack of good judgment in the case of Chewy or why the other forums are running out of control and all of that...it ain`t that hard...you push the post reply button and type in some stuff and click on the submit button.

Oh and if you ban me fine...i realy couldn`t care less as you guys don`t seem to care about us. And if you`r just confused about how a forum should be ran then just take a look in the Legacy of Kain forum on Eidos. The main mod there is Umah and she actualy takes care of everything herself,gives you a 3 time warning before banning you,edits posts wich are out of bounds,and actualy READS ppl`s posts! Oh and she also makes everyone a Happy birthday thread everytime it`s sombody`s b-day. Thoughtfull,nice,smart and actualy doing her job right!

  • 05.07.2005 8:31 AM PDT
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You really could have phrased that a lot nicer.

In any case, mod bashing will get us nowhere, and depsite the fact that I posted some rather rude stuff (gravstone), we still may be able to get some stuff done. I'm all up for going to the Septagon if we need to. I wonder if the mods there will listen, but in any case, I think we've done all we can here.

Yout3

  • 05.07.2005 8:45 AM PDT
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Posted by: aM Inspire
BTW - I find some particular titles on Bungie's site offensive. I think they are out of place. They need to realize that the gaming community is older now than it has ever been. We are more mature, and we'd like to see that reciprocated. I'm glad somebody brought this up because it has been bothering me for awhile.


Sry Inspire but i have to disagree with u on this 1. Bungie is Bungie and if they were any different they probally wouldn't have made the amazing games that has popularizied our favourite game maker. people at bungie, sure they can be immature and silly, but part of that is what makes Bungie such a great open place where there's not a lot of pressure, and people are relaxed and productive.

That's the main reason Bungie is so sucessful in an era of faceless corporate companies producing stuff without such a sense of community, the only 2 game makers that i truly love are Ubisoft Montreal and Bungie studios just for the incredible people who work there and the amazing games they make. Bungie is all about having fun and the sense of community they've made for Halo 2 really shows off that being Bungie is all about the "experiance"...errr or something like that :)

Getting back to the topic i agree as well though that i'm very UNHAPPY with the current modding situation :( In my opinion a mod should be someone who is current in his/her forum, who truly cares about the topic and is quite knowledgeble in it.

With the mods we have now, they make like maybe 2 posts every months, hardly control the forums, and have no say in any discussions in our forum (such as this one). What pisses me off is that i thought that one of Bungie's ideals is "by the gamers, for the gamers" 1 thing that has made Halo 2 and Halo so popular is that the people who work at Bungie love to play videogames themselves, the play the Hmpday Challenges and more even more importantly they "love" the game they made, if u create something and aren't happy with the finsihed product how could that attitude create confidence in its buyers? Anyways the mods seem like they're just people who came and have nothing to do with the gamers themselves at all.

Maybe i'm wrong and the current mods had been posting on these forums for years before they became mods, in the times of Marathon. but otherwise i just think the mods should be the most POPULAR members of the forum, the largest posters, the most current, the people who are helpful and are intelligent in the things they write.

But that's not what i see in the mods on this forum. And that's what i think is the big problem.

  • 05.07.2005 11:47 AM PDT
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You know, on the other forums I'm in, AMD, Abit, Guru3D, and Creative Forums, the mods are actually the ones that post the most. just kind of different how the mods here remain unseen for the most part, and when we do see them it is rarely anything but a warning. Granted, sometimes they post, but, well, I can't really remember the last time that happened.

  • 05.07.2005 12:09 PM PDT
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ya it's really stupid that the mods aren't even in our online community anymore, it's like there this people who run b.net's forums without ever being there. I could sort of understand if the mods were too busy moderating and making changes to the forum to make posts, but it now seems like the mods are actually never here . If they can't do their job well cause they're actually adults and have a job, and other stuff to take care of and they can hardly take any time to moderate than they shouldn't be moderating.

It really pisses me off that in the world there's this discrimination against giving younger people positions of responsibility, just cause some people who are smart and helpful on these forums aren't over 18 doesn't mean they won't do a good job. They'd probally be like 10x better than the current mods cause they have so much time to go on the forums and do stuff. And as long as they pick responsible people like SLD for example, they can't go wrong, the problem is, they'll think they 'll pick a immature high-schooler who will abuse his powers and ban people and make stupid posts, but that's just not the case, with the mature people on our forum.

All i'm saying, is that if the moderators right now can't do their job well, or can't do their job whatsoever, then give their powers to someone else, who will care, and who will moderate these forums, and if that person so happens to be a young member, then let it be, don't judge someone's capabilities from their appearance.

  • 05.07.2005 1:02 PM PDT
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In response to your last couple of posts, jman. We'll make this LIFO (last in first out.)

You make an assumption that the mods are over 18 - they probably are, but we can't be sure eh? Also - to quite blunt and honest because I hate to wade through bs before getting to the point - on the whole, my friend, minors are irresponsible. Statistically speaking, it is always a larger gamble to entrust a minor with responsibility. I know that sucks, and I know you guys shouldn't have to suffer for the mistakes of your peers, but that's the facts. And, seeing as how the mods don't seem to be very involved, they wouldn't notice the overall maturity level of those minors on these forums.

As far as you thinking that "Satisfying your mom since 1991" is a legimate homepage title for bungie.net, you're more than entitled to have you opinion that things like this make bungie Bungie. I happen to think it's very crude humor. I also can tell you that neither Valve nor Gearbox have such offensive titles and I know Gearbox has a very mature forum community with very helpful members and mods. They are also a very great community. Anyone who argues needs only to look at the fact that they released CE and HEK for free. An entire modding community has evolved from their goodwill. This merely goes to show us that Bungie could be just as successful and nice of a gaming community even if they did show some more character by avoiding crude webpage titles.

Your point that bungie is such a fun place is slightly dimished by the rest of your post that highlights the current state of the forums. But, perhaps, the mods are unaffiliated with bungie.....

But I really didn't check the thread to see what people had posted. I checked the thread for this:

This thread will be moved to the septagon in approximately three hours - 7pm CDT (GMT - 6:00).

I invite you all to join. Be warned that anyone who participates runs the risk of being blacklisted.

That is all.

  • 05.07.2005 2:22 PM PDT
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I've been blacklisted once for no reason at all, and if I must, I will be blacklisted again. We want a voice in this community, we don't want the abuse of power, we don't want inconsistent moderating. We want a community, a nice and helpful one without spam and crude behavior, like we had before.

I'll be ready, you can count on it. [picks up pitchfork and torch]

  • 05.07.2005 4:32 PM PDT

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