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Don't screw this one up!

Today's topic: Can computers ever attain the storage/processing capacity of the human brain?

  • 07.14.2004 11:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: byrum
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Today's topic: Can computers ever attain the storage/processing capacity of the human brain?


Possibly, but not before humans learn to utilize all of said storage/processing capacity ourselves.

Vague, I know. I'm tired.

[Edited on 7/15/2004 12:01:05 AM]

  • 07.15.2004 12:00 AM PDT
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Yes, because the human brain has size limits (natural human brain, anyway), and computers have a very, very large size limit.

  • 07.15.2004 12:00 AM PDT
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(off the subject) for cool science stuff, go [color=blue]here[/color].

  • 07.15.2004 12:01 AM PDT
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Does that hypothesis still stand if we learn to use 100% of our brains?

[Edited on 7/15/2004 12:02:41 AM]

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Can the storage capacity of the human mind even be measured in units? Is there even a possible comparison?

  • 07.15.2004 12:02 AM PDT
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I don't think there is.

good point.

  • 07.15.2004 12:03 AM PDT
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hmmm....I think this one died...

  • 07.15.2004 12:08 AM PDT

Me: "OMFG, Dude... wtf!"
AbolitionofMan: "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to betray you."
Me: "That's the 4th time in this game alone!"
Chris: "Third, besides he had the flag I was trying to stop him, how was I supposed to know you were there."
Me: "I said, 'I got the Flag, don't shoot.'"
Chris: "Well those Wraith shots take a while to reach you."
Me: "You were right next to me, I had killed him and a minute passed before you decided to shoot."
Chris: "Hahahahaha, yeah... that was great."

We can't in our current state of being use 100% of our brains. Like Cortana, we'd think ourselves to death. We'd have to think to breath, for our heart to beat etc. All of that is automatic and is something we don't need to think about. We only use like 5-7% of our brain at any given time, so... for us to use ALL of it, (mind you a large portion only perates when we are asleep), then we need to evolve into a different being. I think the optimal brain activity level to acheive telepathy is 10-15%. Don't quote me on that though.

Achilles

  • 07.15.2004 12:55 AM PDT
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indeed.
and
nice Harry Potter quote. *snickers to self*

  • 07.15.2004 1:01 AM PDT

Me: "OMFG, Dude... wtf!"
AbolitionofMan: "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to betray you."
Me: "That's the 4th time in this game alone!"
Chris: "Third, besides he had the flag I was trying to stop him, how was I supposed to know you were there."
Me: "I said, 'I got the Flag, don't shoot.'"
Chris: "Well those Wraith shots take a while to reach you."
Me: "You were right next to me, I had killed him and a minute passed before you decided to shoot."
Chris: "Hahahahaha, yeah... that was great."

Posted by: byrum
indeed.
and
nice Harry Potter quote. *snickers to self*


Harry Potter!? If I actually quoted him then that is litterally pure coicdence and dumb luck. I've never read that stuff... lol.

Achilles

  • 07.15.2004 1:06 AM PDT
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Something Wicked This Way Comes...

It's from Macbeth.

[Edited on 7/15/2004 1:11:14 AM]

  • 07.15.2004 1:10 AM PDT
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sure...

*rolls eyes and gives slight nod of head*

j/k- I'm sure you're correct, who would think to say that It was from MacBeth unless it really was.

  • 07.15.2004 1:19 AM PDT

Me: "OMFG, Dude... wtf!"
AbolitionofMan: "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to betray you."
Me: "That's the 4th time in this game alone!"
Chris: "Third, besides he had the flag I was trying to stop him, how was I supposed to know you were there."
Me: "I said, 'I got the Flag, don't shoot.'"
Chris: "Well those Wraith shots take a while to reach you."
Me: "You were right next to me, I had killed him and a minute passed before you decided to shoot."
Chris: "Hahahahaha, yeah... that was great."

Yeah, gotta love Shakespeare...

Achilles

  • 07.15.2004 1:20 AM PDT
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Yep, what a nut.

Remember Mercutio's "Queen Mab" rant?...

  • 07.15.2004 1:21 AM PDT

Me: "OMFG, Dude... wtf!"
AbolitionofMan: "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to betray you."
Me: "That's the 4th time in this game alone!"
Chris: "Third, besides he had the flag I was trying to stop him, how was I supposed to know you were there."
Me: "I said, 'I got the Flag, don't shoot.'"
Chris: "Well those Wraith shots take a while to reach you."
Me: "You were right next to me, I had killed him and a minute passed before you decided to shoot."
Chris: "Hahahahaha, yeah... that was great."

Fair is foul, and foul is fair:
Hover through the fog and filthy air.


Achilles



[Edited on 7/15/2004 1:28:32 AM]

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indeed.

  • 07.15.2004 1:29 AM PDT
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*attempts to revive interesting topic*

It's hard to compare storage capacity of a brain with that of a hard drive because the information itself is hard to compare quantitatively. Our hard drives store information as a series of bits, a sequence of individual data with two possible states. Our brains, on the other hand, seem to store information as interference patterns. Not only is the distribution of the pattern in space less partitioned, but the actual data matrix is different too. The information stored on a hard drive's only a string of data with two states, while the information stored in a brain is a complex web of data connected in all sorts of weird ways and with several logic states instead of two. If one were to draw a diagram representing the stored data and their connections, a hard drive's diagram would be a strait line of binary bits while a brain's pattern would be a big tangle of connections between bits of many more than two states. As for processing, Jay can't even comprehend the differences resultant of the different relationship between stored memory and current logic state. Jay thinks that if humans live long enough to, computers will be developed with a less linear architecture to better take advantage of the emergent superposed-logic-state entanglement technology. Fibre optics transmit impulses faster than our nerves, and entangled clustered phota can theoretically have more logic states than our nerve cells...

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Makes sense but you must also must remember why our brains developed as a cluster of nerve cells, to help contol our bodies and interpret data (i.e. sight, sound, taste etc...)
Computer's do not have to really control bodies and do not have a subconcious. Which is why you can not really compare the two because our brains are not just used for data storing and processing....we have chemicals called emotions too. Along with instincts and other things.

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The whole concept of the computer/brain juxtaposition is essentially based on their similar purposes. As forumrunner said, computing processes are based on sequential logic. The brain, being an organ, is based on chemical reactions and impulses. They are, in operation, more or less polar opposites.

[Edited on 7/15/2004 2:24:34 AM]

  • 07.15.2004 2:23 AM PDT
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Posted by: byrum
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Today's topic: Can computers ever attain the storage/processing capacity of the human brain?


Yes, but only if we make an AI capable of being creative, of learning new things without someone needing to always download or program. Right now, they limited by the human ability to think. They only know what we know, except they find the answer faster. Everything on a computer revolves around mathmatical equations, and (correct me if I'm wrong) humans revolve around considerably more than 0s and 1s.

  • 07.15.2004 5:04 AM PDT
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This I found in a magazine article: (I have translated small parts of it into english)
"The human brain works in a completely different way than computers do"
"You can consider each neuron a processor with the frequency of 200 Hz, which means that each neuron can issue 200 commands a second"
"So each neuron is very much slower than an ordinary processor, but then again, a human brain contains approxiamtely 1 000 000 000 000 neuorons, so the total frequency is 20 000 Ghz"
"each neuron is connected in a complex network *blablabla hard to translate part*"
"So the actual frequence can end up several thousand times higher, and can come up to 20 million Ghz"

*later in the article*
"It is not known how the human brain store information. But if you presume that it is stored in a way that is similiar to computers, that, for example, each contact between the neurons can be either 'on' or 'off', a therefore store a piece of information, the human brain can store up to 12 000 GB"

The translation got a little bit bad at some places, but you probably get it anyway

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this may be off topic a little bit, but did you know that Albert Einsteins brain was exactly the same size and configurationas a normal person?, and the only thing that made him a genius was thet his thinking portion of his brain had a unusually high number of glial nerons(glial cells out number nurons 9 to 1 in an average human brain and were for 50 years considered usless untill they found this out.)

Glial cell have recently been found to be able to communicate with themslves, without the neurons help(our concious mind) could the glial cells represent our uncouncious mind
*unconciosm fdkjn can't spell that right.

[Edited on 7/15/2004 7:48:22 AM]

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Posted by: Goldeneyes
Posted by: byrum
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Today's topic: Can computers ever attain the storage/processing capacity of the human brain?


Yes, but only if we make an AI capable of being creative, of learning new things without someone needing to always download or program. Right now, they limited by the human ability to think.


actually the closest we have ever came to an AI is a responce program with 80000 responces, like a complex answering machine or automated service phone number.

Humans have yet to nake a self dterminating learing capable program(esentially an A.I.)
so for now its a program mimcking thoughts. for now.

  • 07.15.2004 7:53 AM PDT

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