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January 30, 2004 (Warthog's Day)
The Master Chief emerged from his code. After seeing his dynamically lit realtime shadow, he went back for 9 more months of development.


Behold the power of the Originals, the Gods Axeone-Neurone.

I did not state this before. I do agree with everything you said except for the Flood not being a seperate race. Keep up the good work.

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  • 07.15.2004 6:18 PM PDT
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The installation was specifically built to study and contain the Flood. Their survival as a race was dependent upon it. I am grateful to see that some of them survived to reproduce." (343 GS in the Library)

What he means by, "Their survival as a race was dependent upon it." Is that IF the Forerunners didnt contain the Flood somehow, the Flood would have probably destroyed the Forerunners. Thats why their survival was dependent upon it. GOOD WORK EAGAL 117!

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the flood is a parasitic species, not a virus

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but if we don't know the forerunners real name how come cortana calls them "the forerunner"

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Cause thats what everone who isn't FR call FR

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She overheard the covies calling them the Forerunners on a radio channel.

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well actually...343 reffered to the chief as the"reclaimer" as if he knew someone had to come...and he had already taken other marines as well...so yah

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I think Humans could possibly be Forerunner, but here's
something I found odd. (sorry if someone posted something
similar before, but this forum is so busy I can never catch
threads when they start.)

These Sentinels will supplement your combat system. But, I
suggest you upgrade to at least a Class Twelve combat skin.
Your current model only scans as a Class Two, which is
ill suited for this kind of work.

Ok, so he's talking about your armor, right?
Your environment suit should serve you well when the Flood
begins to alter the atmosphere. You are a good planner.

If "combat skin" is armor, then why would he talk about your
"environment suit?" I think combat skin is different than 117's
armor from 343's perspective. This brings up an interesting
question. Why would such a powerful race need combat skin?

I have an idea that the Forerunner may not have a physical
form, and are more cybernetic than organic, or are completely
mechanized, and used to be an organic race. This might also
explain why they would need the Flood to survive. Perhaps the
Flood wiped their organic forms out, and contain something
like the Forerunner DNA, so the Forerunner would need to
keep the Flood to resurrect themselves one day. One Problem.
Where are the Forerunner? 343 seems to think they're still
around, and there is this one quote from the Cortana Letters.
Whoever made such a place must now live in chains;
there is no other explanation for their absence.

hmm....
Btw, good work Eagle and everybody contributing to this
thread. Why wait when you can speculate?





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"The installation was specifically built to study and contain the Flood. Their survival as a race was dependent upon it. I am grateful to see that some of them survived to reproduce." (343 GS in the Library)

Wel I was again too lazy to read all the pages of this debate :P (got through 1/2 of first one)

But here are my thoughts:

"The installation was specifically built to study and contain the Flood."
This first line is pretty straightforward and can't be interpreted in many ways.

"Their survival as a race was dependant on it."
First of all we have to consider if GS thinks that MC is a forrunner or not. If he does think MC is forrunner, their could not mean the forrunners because he would adreess it to MC by saying "your." He could mean some other species (well, any with sufficient biomass and cognitive capabilities that the Flood can infect). If he thinks MC is not forrunner, "their" can of courbe mean FRs(forrunners). But he said their survival WAS dependant of it, but not anymore, especially since they are quite possibly dead.

"I am grateful to see that some of them have survived to reproduce."
"Them" in this sentance could mean the other race that GS was talking about in the previous sentance, the FRs, or the Flood. Again, if GS thinks MC is FR, it could mean one of the other two. He is happy that the other race or the Flood survived (I bealieve that the Flood are indeed a race not a virus-explained latter in post). While he likes studying the Flood, I doubt that he woudl be happy that they are alive since he said himself that keeping speciments alive after the last outbreak "might have been a mistake." So that leaves the other race, which could be anything but the only races he's been in contact with(known to us) are humans and the covie races. If he thinks MC is not FR he could be refering to them which means that he has evidence of their existance or has gone completely cookoo.

None of the possibilities has any hint that humans=FRs :P

Now to explain why I think Flood=race not virus.

1. Virus = DNA/RNA encased by a protein coat that takes over cells to make more of itself.
The Flood is defenetly not a microscopic objest since they are big enough to fit you chest cavity.
2. Flood are alive while viruses are not.
3. They reproduce. After they take over a host body, and that body becomes so deteriorated, it is used to encase and "incubate" more infection forms.
4. They think and feed. Well actually im not sure on this one but I vaguely remember somewhere it said that they do take in food from host body. But since I don't remember this fully :P like I remembered the people in Halo universe speakign "basic" don;t take my word for it :) And they obviously think since Cptn. Keyes was struggleing against this other "presence" and they take over a host though their nervous system.


These are my thoughts on that quote, which can all be blown away since there is the possibility that GS is a nutcase and has no clue what he's talkign about.

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  • 07.15.2004 7:19 PM PDT
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well if you're gonna call the Flood a virus you could call us(humans) a virus too look at are characteristics we mostly care only about our reproduction and self enjoyment we're mostly bad at birth and we spread like a wild fire.


That applies to any animal too. The only reason others dont spread as much is because they are eaten by predators or they cant travel like we do (ie like across oceans).


no, it would not, i (roughly) quote Agent Smith, "every mammal creates an equilibrium w/ the surrounding environment" in other words, the animals adjust to their surrundings, I.E. if their was a forest fire, they would make as much use of the land that was available. we do not, we use an area, then move when minerals and other resources are depleted, and do the same to another area

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Hi everyone,

this is a great thread to read by the way;

anywho - I thought it interesting that the flood are "omni-parasitic" and also a virus. There are ALOT of species (bacteria and the like) around today that display the same characteristics.

I think one thing that is important to remember about the flood is that (aside from wanting to MEGA-reproduce and take over more host bodies) they display an amazing ability to sift and sort through the host's memories or conciousness and use the information to their advantage.

But one thing strikes me as odd really.

We know that Captain Keyes, after being infiected, fought a battle with the 'other' in his head and did NOT want to give away anything to the flood that might lead them to Earth.

Now - we know that the flood want to reproduce for the sake of their prosterity, but do they actually want more. Maybe there is a whole lot more to the relationship between the flood and forerunner and merely the flood being used for 'study purposes'. Maybe the flood had the forerunners up against the ropes, so to speak, and the forerunner needed to extract these memories from the flood.

I really dont know about my little piece of speculation. But there is definately more here to explore.

the flood are not mindless as it would seem.

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Absolutely not, which is why I had originally concluded that they were a separate race, (albeit a parasitic one) 343 alluded that they were fixing the PoA, which given what Keyes had done to it to make sure it was disabled, is no small feat...

No I believe they are quite intelligent, just bloodthirsty and intelligent.

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Another great thread! Eagle, you're brilliant at these type of things.

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I still tend to lean toward the Ark Theory, I think that 04 was probably the Human Ark, and the Flood may have been placed in many different Arks for study on the effects of the Flood on different species. It sounds like something the Forerunner would have an interest in, after all, why keep something like that, if you didn't want to experiment with it?

I think 343 GS may have confused his original purpose, after all, he is quite insane...

  • 07.15.2004 8:01 PM PDT

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I still tend to lean toward the Ark Theory, I think that 04 was probably the Human Ark, and the Flood may have been placed in many different Arks for study on the effects of the Flood on different species. It sounds like something the Forerunner would have an interest in, after all, why keep something like that, if you didn't want to experiment with it?

I think 343 GS may have confused his original purpose, after all, he is quite insane...



You just set some fireworks off in my head.

Thanks:)

  • 07.16.2004 10:12 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

I think Humans could possibly be Forerunner, but here's
something I found odd. (sorry if someone posted something
similar before, but this forum is so busy I can never catch
threads when they start.)

These Sentinels will supplement your combat system. But, I
suggest you upgrade to at least a Class Twelve combat skin.
Your current model only scans as a Class Two, which is
ill suited for this kind of work.
Ok, so he's talking about your armor, right?
Your environment suit should serve you well when the Flood
begins to alter the atmosphere. You are a good planner.
If "combat skin" is armor, then why would he talk about your
"environment suit?" I think combat skin is different than 117's
armor from 343's perspective. This brings up an interesting
question. Why would such a powerful race need combat skin?

I have an idea that the Forerunner may not have a physical
form, and are more cybernetic than organic, or are completely
mechanized, and used to be an organic race. This might also
explain why they would need the Flood to survive. Perhaps the
Flood wiped their organic forms out, and contain something
like the Forerunner DNA, so the Forerunner would need to
keep the Flood to resurrect themselves one day. One Problem.
Where are the Forerunner? 343 seems to think they're still
around, and there is this one quote from the Cortana Letters.
Whoever made such a place must now live in chains;
there is no other explanation for their absence.
hmm....
Btw, good work Eagle and everybody contributing to this
thread. Why wait when you can speculate?


A possibility, yes.... but here's an alternative to the combat skin and evironment suit difference:

Perhaps the combat skin is the Master Chief's shields. That might suggest why 343 thinks its upgradeable, becaue you can upgrade them... with the right technology, of course... You don't really upgrade a whole suit of armor... if you upgrade the whole thing, its more like getting a new, different one alltogether.

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you know int he other thread teh one were the battle started i posedt waht i think is another way to look at it almost the same as yours eagle it hink in ealges other thread its on eithere page 28 or 27 and then theres anotehr one on page 30 or 31 so go check it out its good ones

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I just read your theory and, I must say, you always have a way of making me think more about the intricate webs of Halo's story. All of this is making me even more anxious for Halo 2, so I'm off to watch the trailer, E3 2003 and 2004 videos to quell my thirst for the millionth time. =)

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whos eagles or mine

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