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Subject: Debunking the pistol rumor
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Okay, there has been a RUMOR that the pistol has been replaced with a new Magnum revlover that is more powerful and accurate, but has no scope.

I think the people who believe this rumor, just wants to because they feel that replacing the pistol will make the game more balanced. Lets just think about this for a moment. A more powerful gun means that instead of 3 head-shots to get a kill, it will probably take only one. Think about it, with the size of the ammo that it will use the round itself will plow thru shields.

Also this new pistol is said to be more accurate. Great just what i needed. A weapon that will be quicker to aim, because it has no scope, and will kill me quicker because it will take one shot to the head, possibly three shots to the chest.

This doesn't sound like it will balacne anything.

But wait it will hold less ammo!!!...yeah yeah so what, now it has 6 intant kills instead of 5.

The only thing official said about the pistol, is "No comment". And this was made with an evil grin. Do i think the pistol will change. More than likely, but it will not be to the super cheap magnum that everyone(almost) thinks it will be.

  • 07.15.2004 9:06 PM PDT
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Who the hell said they would make it more powerful, just because it would be more realistic that way doesn't mean they will, they can take the magnum, and tone it down, it doesn't have to be super powered. And I don't think it was a revolver just to tell you.

  • 07.15.2004 9:11 PM PDT
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well the magnums ROF is terrible so it is in NO WAY better than the orignal beast that was the pistol.

  • 07.15.2004 9:11 PM PDT
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And no way would it kill in one shot. The only thing that made the M6D pistol in Halo 1 unbalanced was the rate of fire and being able to kill people in mere seconds from just the right range that if you were good no one could touch you.

  • 07.15.2004 9:14 PM PDT
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Posted by: DeathscytheV2
well the magnums ROF is terrible so it is in NO WAY better than the orignal beast that was the pistol.


If you have an accurate shot, although the ROF is slower, I bet you could adapt in a second and become just as good if not better as you were while using the M6D.

  • 07.15.2004 9:16 PM PDT
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I never though about the RoF...
The Magnum could be like a 6-7 shot pistol with super slow RoF, and be just a bit more powerful than the older pistol, this would still be balanced, because you would have to reload often, and it would take some real skill to use (no spraying due to slow RoF).

Edit: Perhaps if you missed with it you'd be screwed.

[Edited on 7/15/2004 9:18:42 PM]

  • 07.15.2004 9:16 PM PDT
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A magnum is just freaking cool and is a novel idea. Trust Bungie their trying to make it as balanced as they can.

  • 07.15.2004 9:18 PM PDT
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I wish the magnum looked just like a desert eagle, my favorite style. solid ROF,hella kickback, and blows holes in anything it hits.

  • 07.15.2004 9:21 PM PDT
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I don't doubt that the pistol will be made more balanced. I personally don't think it needs to be changed. I like it the way it is.

The rumors that i have read(on this site) all point to the magnum being more powerful in the damage department. And it being more accurate. Which is why i say that it is JUST a rumor.

  • 07.15.2004 9:23 PM PDT
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Magnum refers to the length of the shell, meaning a larger amount of gun powder that shell can hold.

The M6D is a magnum. A magnum pistol with a 16mm round would have way to much kick back even for a Spartan to get accurate shots. If the FS pistol is in the game it will not be a magnum, most likely it will have a short shell.

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Posted by: DeathscytheV2
I wish the magnum looked just like a desert eagle, my favorite style. solid ROF,hella kickback, and blows holes in anything it hits.


Well, the thing Halo takes place 500 years into the future, I doubt the UNSC would resurrect an old pistol used in the past.

Secondly, why the hell would you want a lot of recoil in a firearm, not to mention a pistol. It really does damage to any person's accuracy.

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If you consider a novel that bungie provided the story to a author as a rumour then you are ignorant. The new magnum will have power but you wont be able to snipe people and put 6 rounds into them in as many seconds as the old pistol.

  • 07.15.2004 9:25 PM PDT
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i love the monster of a pistol but it needs blance

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Posted by: Shadow_WarriorX
If you consider a novel that bungie provided the story to a author as a rumour then you are ignorant. The new magnum will have power but you wont be able to snipe people and put 6 rounds into them in as many seconds as the old pistol.


Yes i consider it a rumor, because some fan said, hey i bet that the pistol will be replaced by this gun!!!

Also, they won't need to put 6 rnds into you in as many seconds, because you will be dead with 1-3 shots, in as many seconds.

As far as the recoil goes, the longer magnum that so many people are talking about would have less recoil because of the longer barrel. No not less than the origional pistol, but less in general.

  • 07.15.2004 9:32 PM PDT
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Who said it would have a longer barrel?

Edit: If it described it with a longer barrel in the book... please don't flame me...

[Edited on 7/15/2004 9:34:26 PM]

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no way dude, the pistol is a part of halo, its considered to be the best weapon in halo by many many people, and its also a pain in the ass killing hunters without it......
no way they wouldnt even think of replacing it, and especially with a damn revolver,.. this is futuristic not some old fashioned peice of crap...............

  • 07.15.2004 9:36 PM PDT
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It isn't a revolver...

Any way, I think we have to face the fact they will replace it... hello? Battle rifle? Have you forgotten? The BR is almost exactly like the old pistol, just better, and because it is a rifle, it makes sense that it would do so much damage(hopefully it won't be that good, to balance the game of course).

  • 07.15.2004 9:40 PM PDT
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First of all, a magnum is not a revolver, it's an ammunition type. Those whining about revolvers can feel better.

Secondly, Bungie goofed on the Pistol, even they admitted to it.

Thirdly, I don't know why people think Explosive tipped rounds are "deadly". In the real world explosive rounds are less deadly against armoured opponents. An HE round fragments, meaning much smaller fragments that rip flesh. This also has the effects of making the round unable to penetrate armour. It's more intended for taking out targets with no armour.

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I would have to look at all of the rumors again, and it would make me angered to read them all over again.

And besides its not like the origional had a long barrel at all. Also you would have to have a longer barrel to compensate for the extra recoil that the rumors are giving it. Which would add more accuracy, and...OMYFNLORD it just goes on and on!!!(the logic circle that is)

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Posted by: Draerden
First of all, a magnum is not a revolver, it's an ammunition type. Those whining about revolvers can feel better.

Secondly, Bungie goofed on the Pistol, even they admitted to it.

Thirdly, I don't know why people think Explosive tipped rounds are "deadly". In the real world explosive rounds are less deadly against armoured opponents. An HE round fragments, meaning much smaller fragments that rip flesh. This also has the effects of making the round unable to penetrate armour. It's more intended for taking out targets with no armour.


Uh you forgot part of the ammo type, it is also AP, meaning it penetrate armor, then sheads the fleshy bits with the high explosive bit.

  • 07.15.2004 9:46 PM PDT
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[color="gold"]Fred peered inside and saw a rack of hand guns. They weren't the standard-issue HE pistols; these had oversized barrels--easily 30 percent larger and longer--and they had grips of self-molding plastasteel. He picked one up and hefted it--its balance was barrel-heavy, to be expected from an unloaded pistol. He found three boxes of clips at the bottom of the locker, opended one, and took out a clip. Whatever this new handgun shot, it was high caliber, slugs the size of his thumb. He slid the clip into the gun, and it secured with a satisfying click. Now it was perfectly balanced, far better than the standard-issue sidearm.[/color]

I take back that the new gun is not a magnum. It is described as a magnum on page 135.

  • 07.15.2004 9:49 PM PDT
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I don't possible see how it could be AP and explosive at the same time, as the rounds explode on impact (you can even see them do this in-game), and they won't pentrate any armor like that, however, to give you some credit it says they are AP in the manual... and it is just a game... a good game... (let me rephrase) A very good game.

[Edited on 7/15/2004 9:50:49 PM]

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Posted by: Creeping_Death
I don't possible see how it could be AP and explosive at the same time, as the rounds explode on impact (you can even see them do this in-game), and they won't pentrate any armor like that, however, to give you some credit it says they are AP in the manual... and it is just a game... a good game... (let me rephrase) A very good game.

Actually they have just created a round like this in real life. As it hits something it detects what its going through. You can blast a clean hole through 1/4 in steel, but if you shoot it at a Roast it will explode on intering the meat. The itself detects whats its going through, pierces armor then explodes in the meat.

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Posted by: Creeping_Death
I don't possible see how it could be AP and explosive at the same time, as the rounds explode on impact (you can even see them do this in-game), and they won't pentrate any armor like that, however, to give you some credit it says they are AP in the manual... and it is just a game... a good game... (let me rephrase) A very good game.


Yes it is a Very good game.

Thank you Hedwig for putting the quote from the book up. As far as it being a magnum or not doesn't really matter to me. Onto the ammo controversy. Yeah the ammo can be both, the AP part just rips off as it goes thru the armor, then the round itself either explodes, or releases a drop of mercury, or whatever they want to do with the HE part.

What i would like to see to be honest is to have both pistols. This would go more with what bungie has said in the past. I.E. they are not replacing any weapons( check the FAQS) just adding some new ones. New ones that would kick all @ss

  • 07.15.2004 9:57 PM PDT
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Posted by: Java Bean
What i would like to see to be honest is to have both pistols. This would go more with what bungie has said in the past. I.E. they are not replacing any weapons( check the FAQS) just adding some new ones. New ones that would kick all @ss

I agree with you. May look like this, the new magnum. Just don't extpect the M6D to do 3 shot kills, because of the Mark VI armor. It may seem slightly weaker in comparison to Halo.

[Edited on 7/15/2004 10:03:19 PM]

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