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Subject: The Precursor, The Flood, and the Acceleration of Evolution (V2)

When the dust settles, you will learn what true terror is.

Not sure what you're saying, Trancient, but The universe is much older than I think you're giving it credit for. Even if the Big Bang theory is true, it happened BILLIONS of years ago, while the forerunners activated the Halo array just 100,000 years ago.

Also, the forerunner had just found our early ancestors not long before the Halo event and installed the portal on our planet to save us. After the Halo event they weren't able to educate us or pass on technology for us because there were so few of them and they had other things to do (Great Journey, perhaps?). So, they let the technology get buried and we, humans, evolved on our own and developed our own technology.

I also don't put much weight into any kind of time travel/manipulation theory.

  • 09.01.2009 10:41 AM PDT
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Posted by: General Khazard
Not sure what you're saying, Trancient, but The universe is much older than I think you're giving it credit for. Even if the Big Bang theory is true, it happened BILLIONS of years ago, while the forerunners activated the Halo array just 100,000 years ago.

Also, the forerunner had just found our early ancestors not long before the Halo event and installed the portal on our planet to save us. After the Halo event they weren't able to educate us or pass on technology for us because there were so few of them and they had other things to do (Great Journey, perhaps?). So, they let the technology get buried and we, humans, evolved on our own and developed our own technology.

I also don't put much weight into any kind of time travel/manipulation theory.


As you know I stand by the Great Journey thing. And your not even giving the universe credit for how old it is. More like maybe trillions of years old. Most evidence (which is little and scattered) conclude that the universe is at least 1 trillion years old. But before it was a couple million, then a few billion, and so on. I think the number will only increase. There could have been thousands of precursor like civilizations in that time period. Perhaps even multiple at once.

There are more Galaxies than grains of sand on this planet. And that is just a small number in our primitive concept of the universe.

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I never said the ''Universe'' was to Old or to young, the ''Universe'' as far as we can understand, it has no time of Birth or rebirth.

There where Galaxies and all crap like that, but a BIG massive gravity well started to pull ''Everything'' into a planet size ''Mega Bomb'' or the Big Bang.

And I also know the Universe is ''Infinite'' and has no end, but for a scientist like me, it will be more than arrogant ''Not'' to listen.

And because of this ''Infinity'', It has pulled me into thinking that If the covenant found many ''Sentient'' life in this galaxy only, then right know as I'm saying/writing this, there could be more planets like Earth and mayyyyybe we may find some other ''Aliens'' like the Forerunners or the Precursors.

There ''Has'' to be life in some distant Galaxy or other billion galaxies away from us that Life may exist.


Answer me this Question. Do you yourself, believe there, could be more ''Sentient'' life like us?

Maybe there could be other ''Humans'' Like us ''Thinking'' that there are other people thinkinn the same?

  • 09.01.2009 1:01 PM PDT

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No im joking, great theory, keep at it.

  • 09.01.2009 1:07 PM PDT

When the dust settles, you will learn what true terror is.

I do, indeed, believe there are other sentient lifeforms, but that has nothing to do with the theories we are discussing.

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Posted by: General Khazard
I do, indeed, believe there are other sentient lifeforms, but that has nothing to do with the theories we are discussing.

Precisely. What you are suggesting (whatever that is) has nothing to do with this theory that I can see. In my own opinion, it looks to me as though you're blathering about (Transcient) about nothing I understand. Or, well, nothing that I can understand that's related to this theory.

  • 09.01.2009 3:12 PM PDT
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I just wanted to made my statement and replying to the other posts, you don't have to drive this thread of topic.

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Posted by: Trancient Ghost
I just wanted to made my statement and replying to the other posts, you don't have to drive this thread of topic.

It's funny, because your posts are the ones that drove this thread off-topic, seeing as your posts had nothing to do with this topic in the first place, provided I understood them correctly.

My post, and this one, exist merely as preventative measures to ensure that the thread does not go further off-topic.

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Every post is a post meant to be.
But the thing is that some times...what ever stop replying to my, I wanna keep it up with the theory, Ok'', problem solve like adults or anyy, just stay as I would on the topic.

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I want to reply on the ''Pure Forms'' section you have there.

Because the need of the Flood to infest/integrate more biomass to their colony then, if a dog gets into the biomass or another organism, will it have effect on the Flood. Like the Swine flu or a Super venom to the Flood.

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Posted by: Trancient Ghost
I want to reply on the ''Pure Forms'' section you have there.

Because the need of the Flood to infest/integrate more biomass to their colony then, if a dog gets into the biomass or another organism, will it have effect on the Flood. Like the Swine flu or a Super venom to the Flood.


Im try to Ask , Could the flood get infected and destroyed by another Virus.(The flood only likes more flesh and ar ''Hungry''for knowlege)

But can they be ultimatly destroyed by another Virus? that is the QUESTION.

  • 09.01.2009 6:26 PM PDT

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  • 09.01.2009 10:58 PM PDT

When the dust settles, you will learn what true terror is.

The point I was making was that the Big Bang wouldn't affect anything in our theories because it did NOT happen between the times of the forerunners and the present. From what I understood, Trancient was suggesting the Big Bang was the reason we do not have the technology the forerunner's had, or something similar. But, no matter.

The suggestion of the Flood absorbing a virus, or a virus infecting the flood, is most interesting. There's a webcomic based on an "alternate haloverse" called Reclaimer. In this webcomic there is a viruslike entity that very well may be designed to infect every electronic network and biological entity, including the Flood, and control them. Though, at this time the virus and the Flood have yet to have direct contact that we have seen, so the results are still speculative.

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Posted by: General Khazard
The point I was making was that the Big Bang wouldn't affect anything in our theories because it did NOT happen between the times of the forerunners and the present. From what I understood, Trancient was suggesting the Big Bang was the reason we do not have the technology the forerunner's had, or something similar. But, no matter.

The suggestion of the Flood absorbing a virus, or a virus infecting the flood, is most interesting. There's a webcomic based on an "alternate haloverse" called Reclaimer. In this webcomic there is a viruslike entity that very well may be designed to infect every electronic network and biological entity, including the Flood, and control them. Though, at this time the virus and the Flood have yet to have direct contact that we have seen, so the results are still speculative.



PM me link please? And In "this" Halo universe I think not. If its a bacteria the flood would just consume it upon contact. A virus maybe. But the flood can evolve at will, and could easily make itself immune within the first nanosecond upon contact.

  • 09.02.2009 10:06 AM PDT

When the dust settles, you will learn what true terror is.

Technically, the "virus" isn't like a normal "virus"... It's much more like a computer virus. Rather than being biologically-based with bacteria, it can spread both digitally and organically. Essentially, it gains access to the neural network through transmitted signals (via sound, light, electricity, whatever) then performs an instantaneous format of the mind, erasing all "native code" and replacing it with its own. Essentially, it's like formatting a harddrive to erase everything on it then installing a brand new Operating System, but it works on the brain instead of a Harddrive.

It's also theorized that it was designed specifically to counter the Flood and take control of it, but then again in that haloverse the Flood was created by a specific entity as a "super weapon" which which he/she/it could essentially take over the universe.

Anyway, back on topic.

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Posted by: General Khazard
Technically, the "virus" isn't like a normal "virus"... It's much more like a computer virus. Rather than being biologically-based with bacteria, it can spread both digitally and organically. Essentially, it gains access to the neural network through transmitted signals (via sound, light, electricity, whatever) then performs an instantaneous format of the mind, erasing all "native code" and replacing it with its own. Essentially, it's like formatting a harddrive to erase everything on it then installing a brand new Operating System, but it works on the brain instead of a Harddrive.

It's also theorized that it was designed specifically to counter the Flood and take control of it, but then again in that haloverse the Flood was created by a specific entity as a "super weapon" which which he/she/it could essentially take over the universe.

Anyway, back on topic.


That is interesting. If it where in fact the "real" Halo universe it could have been made specifically to control the flood. But if thats the case it still some how broke lose. Which would mean that it found a way to fight it.

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Well, I said that What could happend if a new super mega ultra deadly virus cme into the halo story and mainline events, could there be any powerfull virus that could kill the flood by contact.
What about Hand sanitizer? Haha, just kidding.

  • 09.02.2009 1:41 PM PDT
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Back on topic, NOW! This thread is not about any "what ifs" not to do with this theory, damn it. Discussion pertaining to the Precursor or Flood that tie in to this theory, such as why they behave the way they do and how it backs this theory or shows evidence against is is fine, but random "do you think that a virus can destroy the Flood?" or "the universe is infinite." discussions have nothing to do with this theory.

I've had threads of mine locked for less than this in the past, and I will be damned if I get this one locked because a few people can't stay on topic. Discuss the theory and all that pertains to it, certainly, but keep a tight check on what you decide relates to the theory. So far, Trancient, you are doing a horrible job.

If this keeps up, moderators will be called in to deal with the offenders. If that means locking this thread in the end, I would be more than satisfied to see it go rather than have this off-topic discussion continue.

  • 09.02.2009 1:51 PM PDT
Subject: The Precursor, The Flood, and the Acceleration of Evolution: V2.5
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Ok'' back on topic. I stil do not understand precisely on how the MOST powerfull beings on the galaxy could not terminate the Flood? And the Flood being A.I. is too stupid for me.

[Edited on 09.02.2009 2:09 PM PDT]

  • 09.02.2009 2:06 PM PDT
Subject: The Precursor, The Flood, and the Acceleration of Evolution: V2.5

When the dust settles, you will learn what true terror is.

Posted by: Trancient Ghost
Ok'' back on topic. I stil do not understand precisely on how the MOST powerfull beings on the galaxy could not terminate the Flood? And the Flood being A.I. is too stupid for me.


If the theory is correct, then technically the Precursors destroyed themselves when they created the Flood... Also they are presumably the most powerful beings in the galaxy/universe that we KNOW about.

  • 09.02.2009 4:19 PM PDT

Really nice job on this Snakie. I like it.

I didn't feel like reading through 20 pages of replies, so maybe it was already answered, but i noticed a lot of controversy about why the flood don't have the precursors technology and why they didn't use their ships. I have a suggestion that might answer this.

As far as we know, we have no idea how the precursors traveled between galaxies. We just know that they could. It most likely requires a lot of precision and accuracy. In the games, we have all noticed the flood are not very graceful at piloting ships. They could have sent thousands of ships loaded with technology to the milky way, but because of their inaccuracy, only a couple actually made to the destination, with the rest of the fleet completely passing by.

Then again, distances that large would be handled by computers, so the the accuracy of the computer wouldn't change depending on who was the pilot.

  • 09.04.2009 11:06 AM PDT
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Posted by: SPAR7ANB71
As far as we know, we have no idea how the precursors traveled between galaxies. We just know that they could. It most likely requires a lot of precision and accuracy. In the games, we have all noticed the flood are not very graceful at piloting ships. They could have sent thousands of ships loaded with technology to the milky way, but because of their inaccuracy, only a couple actually made to the destination, with the rest of the fleet completely passing by.

Then again, distances that large would be handled by computers, so the the accuracy of the computer wouldn't change depending on who was the pilot.

In all truthfulness, I think that this is one of the more important considerations that has been passed over throughout the lifespan of this theory. Nobody asks why the Flood don't have Precursor technology, and nobody asks what that technology is like.

As for myself, I have no better guess than anyone else. I don't even have a possible answer for why they don't have the tech. I think that the technology, to be honest, is the biggest hole this theory has.

  • 09.04.2009 1:17 PM PDT

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I may have an answer for the technology bit.

The forerunners' technology will only work for forerunners, their AI and the humans, who they named as Reclaimers. It wouldn't be much of a stretch, if you ask me, to assume that the Precursor, who were even more advanced than the Forerunner, had a similar security measure for their own technology. Basically, the technology wouldn't work for anyone who wasn't a living Precursor.

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Posted by: General Khazard
I may have an answer for the technology bit.

The forerunners' technology will only work for forerunners, their AI and the humans, who they named as Reclaimers. It wouldn't be much of a stretch, if you ask me, to assume that the Precursor, who were even more advanced than the Forerunner, had a similar security measure for their own technology. Basically, the technology wouldn't work for anyone who wasn't a living Precursor.

How would the Flood have made it to the Milky Way, then? Unless they somehow built similar technology on their own (which I suppose is possible after accumulating so much information), they would need Precursor technology to get themselves to the Milky Way. Only the Precursor and the Flood, according to what information we have to date, have conquered intergalactic travel. And if we're talking about a time before the Flood had that ability, how did they acquire it? Knowledge, or technology? Or both?

  • 09.04.2009 2:49 PM PDT