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Subject: The Precursor, The Flood, and the Acceleration of Evolution: V2.6

If i do die via butt hole, please make sure it is stated as so on my tombstone. Thank you. -borrowedchief

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  • 08.09.2010 12:03 PM PDT
Subject: The Precursor, The Flood, and the Acceleration of Evolution (V2)

Love it. Interesting read too, which is unusual with most of these things.

Very plausible too.

  • 08.09.2010 3:35 PM PDT
Subject: The Precursor, The Flood, and the Acceleration of Evolution: V2.6

its seems that this theory could be solid if proven, you sir deserve a cookie!

  • 08.11.2010 9:49 AM PDT
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Don't scream, it will only make me laugh.

We will second that, maybe even two cookies!

  • 08.12.2010 1:47 PM PDT

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what does extra galatic mean? I am pretty sure you meant they are inter-galactic, whereas the covenant and humans are only intra-galactic.

  • 08.16.2010 6:43 PM PDT
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Posted by: Zwolf_wolf
what does extra galatic mean? I am pretty sure you meant they are inter-galactic, whereas the covenant and humans are only intra-galactic.

Their origin is extra-galactic; it's not the same as inter-galactic. Inter-galactic implies that they occupy multiple galaxies or that they have the capability to travel to multiple galaxies still (or at least it does to me).

Plus, extra-galactic was the actual wording used by the team.

  • 08.16.2010 7:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: Lord Snakie
Posted by: Zwolf_wolf
what does extra galatic mean? I am pretty sure you meant they are inter-galactic, whereas the covenant and humans are only intra-galactic.

Their origin is extra-galactic; it's not the same as inter-galactic. Inter-galactic implies that they occupy multiple galaxies or that they have the capability to travel to multiple galaxies still (or at least it does to me).

Plus, extra-galactic was the actual wording used by the team.

I think they are subtly different as well, but it may be the other way around. Extra-galactic may actually imply that they occupy multiple galaxies.

Extra - implies what is greater than necessary; means additional.

Inter - As a preposition means among; between.

So Inter-galactic would mean "Among the Galaxies" or "Between the Galaxies", thus implying a civilisation that can travel between the Galaxies. It is quite a broad term though. I feel that it only applies to distance rather than placement. I believe Extra narrows it down, and implies placement.

As Extra implies additional, that would give the term "Extra-galactic" the meaning "Having additional galaxies" which implies more than the term Inter-galactic I feel.

So, based on this, the Flood have additional galaxies. In addition to what? Our own. So it may imply that the Flood are in occupation of at least one other galaxy, perhaps.

Although, it is talking about "Origins" as extra-galactic. So Inter would not fit the bill as it implies distance, whereas Extra implies placement. So it could mean only that, and not implying that they occupy more than one galaxy, in which case everything I said in the above paragraphs is now contradicted by what I am saying now. :/

I donno, they might not be mutually exclusive ideas, but how the Forerunners would have known to classify them as Extra-galactic based upon how much territory they span is a problem.

  • 08.25.2010 10:03 AM PDT

Kl cookie for you sir

  • 08.26.2010 4:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: Dark Scion
Because the memories are stored in the brain of the deceased. A technological system--at least, none that we know of--could access such memories. But a virus, like the Flood, an organic storage system? They can gain access, even after death.

They were the Precursors: They most definately had technology that the Forerunners did not know of, so the technologically based retrieval system is within the realm of reason.

With that said: How would the Precursors retrieve the knowledge the parasite had gathered? They would need some kind of "telepathic" (for lack of better term) technology to read it.

On another note: When the Flood have a small population they are in the feral stage and are uncontrollable and violent. The Flood would have to start off like every other organism and be fed before it could reach even a proto-Gravemind stage. Therefore if the Precursors did actually "program" the Flood organism, and that "programming" was "broken" later by the Gravemind, then why do the Flood not revert to their "programming" when a Gravemind is no longer alive/present/controlling instead of going into a feral state as they do?

And you are absolutely right in regards to giving respect to another writer by basing off their work.

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  • 09.04.2010 3:59 PM PDT
Subject: The Precursor, The Flood, and the Acceleration of Evolution (V2)

Posted by: Chaotic Fox
I have CDO.
It's like Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, only in alphabetical
order like it should be.

Epic lulz.


Posted by: MA5C 7RUTH
Damn dude.
You are amazing.
Thread saved.

Is there anything I could do for you?
I feel like I owe you something for this amazing theory.


I agree with this guy.

  • 09.07.2010 3:32 AM PDT
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I think that your theory is very plausible and after all games that would sence.

  • 09.10.2010 9:57 AM PDT


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wow it was even better the 2nd time! Great job

  • 09.10.2010 11:10 AM PDT

Your theroy and its evolving complexity is staggering to say the least, awesome!
I just was thinking though, what if the extraction process of info from the original Gravemind involved the need of a living precursor to function? Maybe this lucky(or unlucky) individual was hooked up to a super computer of sorts. That precursor would then be the driving force and backbone to the system.
Now imagine if that being was turned eternal. The sins of the father could be when certian precursors were condemned to an eternity of service. This could also explain why they can send telapathic signals to one another, maybe a precursor gift?
Imagine a supercomputer with a precursor mind that hated its lot in life...
IDK, just food for thought.

  • 09.10.2010 12:53 PM PDT
Subject: The Precursor, The Flood, and the Acceleration of Evolution: V2.7

What?

good job man

  • 09.10.2010 5:23 PM PDT

U mad?

Love the concept of the Flood being created by the Precursor and the Gravemind being a senitient AI, particularly where you elaborated on the resons for the Flood's actions. That the Gravemind is acting on its original "programming", following the wishes of the Precursor. That the Flood consume to gain knowledge and that they aren't hell-bent on eradicating all life. I was mind-blown when you threw in the levels of Rampancy and tied that to the stages of the Gravemind's existance. -Thread Saved-

  • 09.12.2010 11:58 AM PDT


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Posted by: MA5C 7RUTH
Damn dude.
You are amazing.
Thread saved.

Is there anything I could do for you?
I feel like I owe you something for this amazing theory.


I agree with this guy.

QFT

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  • 09.12.2010 1:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: westlynx
Your theroy and its evolving complexity is staggering to say the least, awesome!
I just was thinking though, what if the extraction process of info from the original Gravemind involved the need of a living precursor to function? Maybe this lucky(or unlucky) individual was hooked up to a super computer of sorts. That precursor would then be the driving force and backbone to the system.
Now imagine if that being was turned eternal. The sins of the father could be when certian precursors were condemned to an eternity of service. This could also explain why they can send telapathic signals to one another, maybe a precursor gift?
Imagine a supercomputer with a precursor mind that hated its lot in life...
IDK, just food for thought.

Not sure I follow you here. If I'm understanding you right, you're suggesting that the nexus of the original Gravemind was a Precursor? Typically I'd say that such a thing would not be possible, but within the bounds of this theory I suppose it is, just not quite plausible.

The real question about this lies in whether or not the Flood had to have a Gravemind first to function correctly or not. I'd think that, as a safety measure, they would need one--that would have to have been custom-built by the Precursor, perhaps not even out of Flood tissue, and who knows what the root of such a thing would be? But if the Flood were originally non-sentient and functioning only on base programming--animalistic, really--and the Gravemind were a product of their work rather than a planned eventuality by the Precursor, well... that's an interesting twist. Food for thought. Thank you for your comment.


Posted by: Spuriusrex
Love the concept of the Flood being created by the Precursor and the Gravemind being a senitient AI, particularly where you elaborated on the resons for the Flood's actions. That the Gravemind is acting on its original "programming", following the wishes of the Precursor. That the Flood consume to gain knowledge and that they aren't hell-bent on eradicating all life. I was mind-blown when you threw in the levels of Rampancy and tied that to the stages of the Gravemind's existance. -Thread Saved-

Thanks. :'D

  • 09.17.2010 7:51 AM PDT
Subject: The Precursor, The Flood, and the Acceleration of Evolution: V2.6

just gonna point this out before I continue reading.

On your brief part about Transsentience vs Omnipotence, you say they do not equate.

It seems to me, however, that the Gravemind is pretty omnipotent, literaly being everywhere at once at any time. (at least his mind is)

If he was created by the Precursors, they had to have been omnipotent for two reasons.

1) When was the last time you heard a mortal creating a God?

2) According to your theory, he absorbed Precursor knowledge. He could've absorbed there omnipototence as well, allowing his ability to succesfully fight them.

The Gravemind is a god, or god-like being, of that it is pretty clear. According to this theory, by logic, the Precursors MUST be gods as well, at least demi-gods.

  • 09.25.2010 7:25 AM PDT
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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
I disagree, strongly. There's no evidence to suggest that the Gravemind is a God or even God-like. That he can be everywhere the Flood is doesn't make him omnipotent, and his ilk have been being killed for thousands of years. The Gravemind in H2/H3 is just the latest rendition of a long-lasting trend.

The Precursor weren't omnipotent as far as I'm concerned, and the Gravemind most certainly isn't.

  • 09.25.2010 7:44 AM PDT


Posted by: Lord Snakie
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
I disagree, strongly. There's no evidence to suggest that the Gravemind is a God or even God-like. That he can be everywhere the Flood is doesn't make him omnipotent, and his ilk have been being killed for thousands of years. The Gravemind in H2/H3 is just the latest rendition of a long-lasting trend.

The Precursor weren't omnipotent as far as I'm concerned, and the Gravemind most certainly isn't.


The possibility of Lord Revan's post is more proof to my point.

If the Precursors (and, of course, the Flood, being created by them) existed on the plane of time, not only could the Precursors be omnipotent, but could be anyWHEN.

Time travel has happened in Halo before (that one AI and ship I can't remember the name of) so it is impossible to rule out.

To support both of our theories, is it possible the Gravemind WANTS to BECOME omnipotent by infecting the universe?

I need to go somewhere, so I'm not really thinking right now, but at least think about it.

  • 09.25.2010 8:08 AM PDT
Subject: The Precursor, The Flood, and the Acceleration of Evolution: V2.7

On hiding dead bodies:
Posted by: Psuedo
Posted by: teh Chaz
Inside another dead body. It's the last place they'll look
A corpse within a corpse.
CORPSEPTION.
Win.

I must say Snakie, I've not read this thread before.

Earlier, I made a thread about how the Precursors could (in the Haloverse) be responsible for an explosion of advanced lifeforms in our real history, hundreds of thousands of millennia ago.

When the first (and unfortunately, only) reply asked what had happened to the Precursor, I directed him to this and the other two Precursor threads.

Having read it, my mind is genuinely blown. I mean wide open. My head basically looks like Mt St Helen, right now.
Ever since I heard of the Precursor and their disappearance, I had figured they had a hand in the Flood - but never on such an epic scale.
The short-sightedness of the Precursor in what their Gravemind could become is reminiscent of how much faith the Forerunners placed in their AIs, which themselves turned (not sure why, in Origins, they were reluctant to fight against what was destroying them).

Best theory I've ever seen on here? Pretty damned possibly.

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  • 09.25.2010 8:26 AM PDT
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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Few things. First off, if Revan is right, this theory practically goes out the window right here, right now. If the Precursor exist within time itself, the creation of the Flood is made more improbable than ever. They could do it, it's true, but the scenario set up within this theory is based upon a third dimension principal. The Precursor existing within the fourth would throw a wrench within all of its works. While Revan's theory is possible, it essentially makes this theory a moot point if it's right, which also makes any train of thought in that direction (while relating back to this theory) a moot point.

Point two, just because the Precursor might be able to exist in time (we don't know how the fourth dimension works very well, to nobody's real surprise) doesn't mean they would be omnipotent. Being able to understand everything is above and beyond our capabilities even if we COULD exist in time; we just couldn't absorb that much data. Even if they did exist in that state, the same limitations might apply.

Point three, portions of ILB aren't canon, and I think the time travel aspect of it isn't. We also don't know what dimension slipspace is, what its properties are.



Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
I must say Snakie, I've not read this thread before.

Heresy.


Best theory I've ever seen on here? Pretty damned possibly.
Nah, my theory on how the rings function is my best work. This is more of a half-fanfiction half-theory than anything else.

  • 09.25.2010 11:29 AM PDT
Subject: The Precursor, The Flood, and the Acceleration of Evolution (V2)

Great read! I love this stuff- keep it up! :)

  • 09.26.2010 6:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: Lord Snakie


Best theory I've ever seen on here? Pretty damned possibly.
Nah, my theory on how the rings function is my best work. This is more of a half-fanfiction half-theory than anything else.


*Cough* Rainbow Theory *Cough*

(I actually did give it a read)

  • 09.26.2010 6:54 PM PDT