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Subject: I have a problem with the trailer.
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“To say more would spoil be it’s overall its a game that needs to be played.” - Aristotle

If you've read the novels, you would know that there was a harrowing fight that went on for hours before the Covenant fleet jumped in below the tactical grid at Reach, and that there were entire armies of Covenant troops on the ground still engaging the UNSC while they jumped in below the orbital perimeter... and that there were Spartans on the ground long before they jumped in. In the trailer, one of the first things talked about were slipspace ruptures beneath the grid, which didn't happen until after Spartans hit the ground.

My problem with the trailer is that, quite simply, it doesn't fit into this situation. In the trailer we can clearly see something bombing the hell out of some UNSC planet, but I hesitate to call that Reach, especially when all the actual tactical information differed from what occurred in the book. Unless we claim that this was just a hype trailer and has inconsistencies with the actual game (which can be claimed to a certain extent with the original Halo 3 trailer, so this is possible), I don't know if we can make a definitive call yet.


Inconsistencies in the Trailer:

- The Covenant(and/or "enemy") fleet jumps below the defensive line at the "beginning" of the battle, when the Covenant actually jumped below the line only toward the end of the conflict.

-The Fermion detects the Covenant fleet while they are in Slipspace in the novels, not when they actually appear.

- No Spartan designation is as high as the designation given by the Sierra unit in the trailer.

- Projectiles being used against the planet are bomb-like in nature (possibly actual bombs?) and not anything like the plasma weapons common of the Covenant from the Fall of Reach era.


Possible Explanations:

- It's a hype trailer and will have little bearing on the game itself.

- A futuristic scene where Reach has been re-colonized and is falling anew.

- A separate planet colonized by Humans being taken by the Covenant.

- An alternate timeline with slight inconsistencies that boil down to dramatic differences.

[Edited on 06.02.2009 3:24 PM PDT]

  • 06.01.2009 1:18 PM PDT
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I'm guessing it was just used to created a dramatic effect, like most trailers.

I find it funny that this thread had no posts yet it's one of the only ones that isn't a repeat.




[Edited on 06.01.2009 1:23 PM PDT]

  • 06.01.2009 1:23 PM PDT
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“To say more would spoil be it’s overall its a game that needs to be played.” - Aristotle

Posted by: DarkGunner93
I'm guessing it was just used to created a dramatic effect, like most trailers.

Like I said, it's a distinct possibility. Nevertheless, I don't want to write it off, either. Halo 3's trailer gave us important clues about what was to come during the real game, but it was also tantalizing and inaccurate. I might just be jumping on the 3 year-old bandwagon and remembering my Bungie.net youth, but I think trailer analysis is integral. And, to be honest, it looks to me like it's just too... off to be Reach, even were it just for the hell of it. Nothing like that would have happened on Reach.

I find it funny that this thread had no posts yet it's one of the only ones that isn't a repeat.
I had a good laugh on that myself.

  • 06.01.2009 1:25 PM PDT

"We sleep peaceably in our beds, because rough men stand ready to visit violence upon those that wish to do us harm."

"Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of all those who threaten them."

It could be time compressed, or the incoming ships they were talking about could be the first ships that jumped below the grid and they were scrambling the ships back.

  • 06.01.2009 1:27 PM PDT

Those explosions could just be things not told by in the book. There are a quite a few explosions on Reach though.

  • 06.01.2009 1:28 PM PDT

Posted by: Lord Snakie
If you've read the novels, you would know that there was a harrowing fight that went on for almost an hour before the Covenant fleet jumped in below the tactical grid, and that there were entire armies of Covenant troops on the ground still engaging the UNSC while they jumped in below the orbital perimeter... and that there were Spartans on the ground long before that took place.

My problem with the trailer is that, quite simply, it doesn't fit into this situation. In the trailer we can clearly see something bombing the hell out of some UNSC planet, but I hesitate to call that Reach, especially when all the actual tactical information differed from what occurred in the book. Unless we claim that this was just a hype trailer and has inconsistencies with the actual game (which can be claimed to a certain extent with the original Halo 3 trailer, so this is possible), I don't know if we can make a definitive call yet.


Well, if you remember the ODST trailer we saw Rookie get out of the pod and avoid a Brute Patrol, that wasn't in the demo shown.

Teaser trailers = Not proper game

  • 06.01.2009 1:29 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
I'd love to be a 10 year old and tell my mom I'm going on an adventure out into the world catching Pokemon, with her full support. Never mind the fact that there are rapists, criminals, and murders out there, or the fact that I may get killed by a Pokemon.

Luckily I have Pikachu.

It's a Teaser Trailer, Halo 2 and Halo 3 didn't play out like the original trailers now did they?

  • 06.01.2009 1:31 PM PDT
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Another minor inconsistency is that in the novel The Fermion detects the Covenant fleet while they are still in Slipspace and gives Reach warning. In the trailer, The Fermion is telling them that they are coming out of slipspace, and that they are below the orbital defense grid.

  • 06.01.2009 1:31 PM PDT

Posted by: Wolverfrog
Posted by: Lord Snakie
If you've read the novels, you would know that there was a harrowing fight that went on for almost an hour before the Covenant fleet jumped in below the tactical grid, and that there were entire armies of Covenant troops on the ground still engaging the UNSC while they jumped in below the orbital perimeter... and that there were Spartans on the ground long before that took place.

My problem with the trailer is that, quite simply, it doesn't fit into this situation. In the trailer we can clearly see something bombing the hell out of some UNSC planet, but I hesitate to call that Reach, especially when all the actual tactical information differed from what occurred in the book. Unless we claim that this was just a hype trailer and has inconsistencies with the actual game (which can be claimed to a certain extent with the original Halo 3 trailer, so this is possible), I don't know if we can make a definitive call yet.


Well, if you remember the ODST trailer we saw Rookie get out of the pod and avoid a Brute Patrol, that wasn't in the demo shown.

Teaser trailers = Not proper game


Have you considered that it may have been footage from a flashback?

  • 06.01.2009 1:31 PM PDT
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Posted by: Precursors
It could be time compressed, or the incoming ships they were talking about could be the first ships that jumped below the grid and they were scrambling the ships back.

The first ships to jump in did it in waves outside the defense perimeter, and then they moved into it and engaged the Super-MAC platforms. They were destroyed mainly before they could get any shots in on the planet, only buying time for landing craft to make the plunge so the ground generators for the Super-MACs could be taken offline. Only when the Super-MACs were down did the Covenant finally move fully in, and by that time the defense perimeter would have been irrelevant.

Posted by: The BS Police
It's a Teaser Trailer, Halo 2 and Halo 3 didn't play out like the original trailers now did they?

I mentioned in my OP that it was possible that, as the teaser trailer, the goings-on could be different from what the real game would include. You should read.

Posted by: opogjijijp
Another minor inconsistency is that in the novel The Fermion detects the Covenant fleet while they are still in Slipspace and gives Reach warning. In the trailer, The Fermion is telling them that they are coming out of slipspace, and that they are below the orbital defense grid.

Opog, you remember too much. Anyway, yes, I suppose this is a good point. It's a minor inconsistency, but it brings to mind something reminiscent of an alternate reality. The actual events are similar, but different enough to make a marked change in events. I wonder if that could be what it really is? An alternate reality?

  • 06.01.2009 1:35 PM PDT

Star Trek on the brain, Snakie?

  • 06.01.2009 1:36 PM PDT

When I first saw it, I could have sworn that the continent they were glassing looked exactly like Africa.

  • 06.01.2009 1:38 PM PDT

Keep it classy Flood.

I havn't read the books. I'm assuming the books are cannon, though. I'm guesssing it was just for the dramatic effect to draw in more audience.

  • 06.01.2009 1:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: Precursors
It could be time compressed, or the incoming ships they were talking about could be the first ships that jumped below the grid and they were scrambling the ships back.[/quote]
The first ships to jump in did it in waves outside the defense perimeter, and then they moved into it and engaged the Super-MAC platforms. They were destroyed mainly before they could get any shots in on the planet, only buying time for landing craft to make the plunge so the ground generators for the Super-MACs could be taken offline. Only when the Super-MACs were down did the Covenant finally move fully in, and by that time the defense perimeter would have been irrelevant.

Yeah I'm thinking it's taking place when the covenant shifts battle tactics and go point blank. Although thinking back on it, perhaps the voice is taking place at a different time then the video.

Posted by: The BS Police
It's a Teaser Trailer, Halo 2 and Halo 3 didn't play out like the original trailers now did they?

I mentioned in my OP that it was possible that, as the teaser trailer, the goings-on could be different from what the real game would include. You should read.

Posted by: opogjijijp
Another minor inconsistency is that in the novel The Fermion detects the Covenant fleet while they are still in Slipspace and gives Reach warning. In the trailer, The Fermion is telling them that they are coming out of slipspace, and that they are below the orbital defense grid.

Opog, you remember too much. Anyway, yes, I suppose this is a good point. It's a minor inconsistency, but it brings to mind something reminiscent of an alternate reality. The actual events are similar, but different enough to make a marked change in events. I wonder if that could be what it really is? An alternate reality?

  • 06.01.2009 1:42 PM PDT
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Posted by: nomis227
Star Trek on the brain, Snakie?

Meh, it seems to be a common theme. But it seems likely- those Spartan numbers were also higher than they should have been, as MLG Cheehwawa pointed out. No Spartan with that high of a number has ever been reported as canonical, and less than that number of potential children were reported in Fall of Reach.

Unless they also made the Spartan's number completely inaccurate, I think this is either an alternate reality, or something in the future.

  • 06.01.2009 1:43 PM PDT

Posted by: Lord Snakie
Posted by: nomis227
Star Trek on the brain, Snakie?

Meh, it seems to be a common theme. But it seems likely- those Spartan numbers were also higher than they should have been, as MLG Cheehwawa pointed out. No Spartan with that high of a number has ever been reported as canonical, and less than that number of potential children were reported in Fall of Reach.

Unless they also made the Spartan's number completely inaccurate, I think this is either an alternate reality, or something in the future.


Perhaps. Or maybe it was just the random number of the Spartan. I mean, there weren't 117 Spartans, but we've got the Chief.

Perhaps the Spartan numbers are randomized from 1-300 (Like the Ancient Spartans who held of the Persians)

  • 06.01.2009 1:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: nomis227
Star Trek on the brain, Snakie?

Meh, it seems to be a common theme. But it seems likely- those Spartan numbers were also higher than they should have been, as MLG Cheehwawa pointed out. No Spartan with that high of a number has ever been reported as canonical, and less than that number of potential children were reported in Fall of Reach.

Unless they also made the Spartan's number completely inaccurate, I think this is either an alternate reality, or something in the future.

Or perhaps ONI ordered some Spartans to be given higher numbers to give the illusion that a larger number of Spartans existed. They did order that death's of Spartans be covered up...I wouldn't put inflating the number of Spartans beyond them

  • 06.01.2009 1:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: Wolverfrog
Perhaps. Or maybe it was just the random number of the Spartan. I mean, there weren't 117 Spartans, but we've got the Chief.

Perhaps the Spartan numbers are randomized from 1-300 (Like the Ancient Spartans who held of the Persians)

No, there were 150 potential Spartan candidates. John just so happened to be candidate number 117, which is where the number derived from. 150 candidates, 75 possible Spartan augments, and roundabouts 38 that survived. Every Spartan was numbered by their 1-150 candidate number.

  • 06.01.2009 1:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: Lord Snakie
Posted by: nomis227
Star Trek on the brain, Snakie?

Meh, it seems to be a common theme. But it seems likely- those Spartan numbers were also higher than they should have been, as MLG Cheehwawa pointed out. No Spartan with that high of a number has ever been reported as canonical, and less than that number of potential children were reported in Fall of Reach.

Unless they also made the Spartan's number completely inaccurate, I think this is either an alternate reality, or something in the future.


Forgive me for any fallacies, but wasn't the Spartan II project in development before Reach? Maybe they were using Spartan IIs?

EDIT: I meant Spartan I.

[Edited on 06.01.2009 2:02 PM PDT]

  • 06.01.2009 1:53 PM PDT

Wort Wort Wort???

Also, hilarious quote:
Posted by: Vgnut117
True. Now that I think about it having the -blam!- beat out of you with a pool ball in a tube sock by your degenerate pimp is the better choice.

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Here is what I see happen: Half of the planet is seemingly unscathed as of yet. no distress calls, seems peaceful. As the camera pans around the planet, we come to the darkside where all hell has broken loose. You can see an orbital...structure that somewhat covers the transition from night to day on the planet.

Now, why am I stating the obvious? Because why would the covenant attack half a planet.

Either way, those explosions are important. Look at them - its fire, shrapnel. Its not a covenant bomb. A covenant bomb would be plasma. If it was orbital bombardment, there would be plasma. Either the UNSC are self destructing their installations, the UNSC are performing mass-covenant death through WMDs, or UNSC installations are being destroyed (like the generators the for orbital defense array).

So, its possibly half consistent with reach, but you see, it depends how you look at this. I mean, it had the dramatic effect, it was a very chilling trailer, but from a story perspective, its...i dont know how to get my point across, but you might know what I am getting at.

  • 06.01.2009 1:55 PM PDT

Wort Wort Wort???

Also, hilarious quote:
Posted by: Vgnut117
True. Now that I think about it having the -blam!- beat out of you with a pool ball in a tube sock by your degenerate pimp is the better choice.

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Posted by: nomis227
Star Trek on the brain, Snakie?

Meh, it seems to be a common theme. But it seems likely- those Spartan numbers were also higher than they should have been, as MLG Cheehwawa pointed out. No Spartan with that high of a number has ever been reported as canonical, and less than that number of potential children were reported in Fall of Reach.

Unless they also made the Spartan's number completely inaccurate, I think this is either an alternate reality, or something in the future.


Forgive me for any fallacies, but wasn't the Spartan II project in development before Reach? Maybe they were using Spartan IIs?


The whole spartan II program was carried out on Reach (well, most.) Spartan IIs were present at the battle of reach.

  • 06.01.2009 1:55 PM PDT
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here you go

[Edited on 06.01.2009 1:57 PM PDT]

  • 06.01.2009 1:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: Toastus
When I first saw it, I could have sworn that the continent they were glassing looked exactly like Africa.

why does everything bad happen to Africa in the halos?
seriously.
edit: nope, Africa was on the other side of the planet from the one getting glassed.
though it does seem like the continents there are far too similar to the globe's.

[Edited on 06.01.2009 1:59 PM PDT]

  • 06.01.2009 1:57 PM PDT

Wort Wort Wort???

Also, hilarious quote:
Posted by: Vgnut117
True. Now that I think about it having the -blam!- beat out of you with a pool ball in a tube sock by your degenerate pimp is the better choice.

.

Posted by: Lord Snakie
Posted by: nomis227
Star Trek on the brain, Snakie?

Meh, it seems to be a common theme. But it seems likely- those Spartan numbers were also higher than they should have been, as MLG Cheehwawa pointed out. No Spartan with that high of a number has ever been reported as canonical, and less than that number of potential children were reported in Fall of Reach.

Unless they also made the Spartan's number completely inaccurate, I think this is either an alternate reality, or something in the future.


Does sierra have to mean spartan? It seems like a no-brainer, but theres always the possibility it stands for something else.

  • 06.01.2009 1:57 PM PDT
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Posted by: Josh 22 T
Forgive me for any fallacies, but wasn't the Spartan II project in development before Reach? Maybe they were using Spartan IIs?

I was speaking of Spartan-IIs. Unless otherwise stated, those are the "generic" Spartans. Whenever the designation "Spartan" is used, it's usually referring to a II.

  • 06.01.2009 1:58 PM PDT