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Subject: I have a problem with the trailer.
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maybe you are right and it is reach recolonised and is just something else not covenant attacking (using bombs) but its highly unlikly i believe its the covenanat and its a prequal to halo 1 lets await and see till bungie tells us more

  • 06.02.2009 2:58 PM PDT
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Posted by: SweetTRIX
The Spartans didn't mobilize from the Pillar of Autumn until Keyes realized that Covenant forces were headed to the ground. The Spartans goal was the protection of the reactors that powerd the orbital MAC platforms. So saying they (Spartans) were there beforehand is slightly inaccurate.

I don't see how that's true. Regardless of when the Spartans actually entered the battle, they were on their way (and actually on the ground as well) before the Covenant ships breached the defensive perimeter, and in the trailer almost the first thing said is "detected slipspace breaches below the defensive perimeter". Dropships aside (as they can't slip anyway), the Covenant only broke through the perimeter after the reactors were taken... which the Spartans were on the ground defending in the books.

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Actually, you never really know what a plasma bombardment actually looks like. For all you know it could look just like that.

In the books, it did say it caused some sort of shock wave, so Im guessing a plasma bombadment would do the same.


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Posted by: Lord Snakie
Posted by: SweetTRIX
The Spartans didn't mobilize from the Pillar of Autumn until Keyes realized that Covenant forces were headed to the ground. The Spartans goal was the protection of the reactors that powerd the orbital MAC platforms. So saying they (Spartans) were there beforehand is slightly inaccurate.

I don't see how that's true. Regardless of when the Spartans actually entered the battle, they were on their way (and actually on the ground as well) before the Covenant ships breached the defensive perimeter, and in the trailer almost the first thing said is "detected slipspace breaches below the defensive perimeter". Dropships aside (as they can't slip anyway), the Covenant only broke through the perimeter after the reactors were taken... which the Spartans were on the ground defending in the books.


Not true. When the Spartans arrived at the reactor site, Charlie Company had already held off the Covenant for 3 hours.


And if you remember correctly, the Covenant ships released hundreads of dropships along the poles of the planet.

  • 06.02.2009 3:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: Lord Snakie
Posted by: SweetTRIX
The Spartans didn't mobilize from the Pillar of Autumn until Keyes realized that Covenant forces were headed to the ground. The Spartans goal was the protection of the reactors that powerd the orbital MAC platforms. So saying they (Spartans) were there beforehand is slightly inaccurate.

I don't see how that's true. Regardless of when the Spartans actually entered the battle, they were on their way (and actually on the ground as well) before the Covenant ships breached the defensive perimeter, and in the trailer almost the first thing said is "detected slipspace breaches below the defensive perimeter". Dropships aside (as they can't slip anyway), the Covenant only broke through the perimeter after the reactors were taken... which the Spartans were on the ground defending in the books.


I just re-read FOR again last week, i'm pretty sure that the Spartans went down in response to detected Covenant movement behind the perimeter. I can't check until i'm off work but i'm pretty sure that's how it went down. Keyes specifically started looking (by the poles I believe) for activity because of how things went down in previous engagments, he recognized the pattern. If I remember correctly he asked the Admiral (Stanforth?) to aim the orbital mac's at the ships that slipped by, and the sent the Spartans on two seperate missions in response to Covenant penetration of the perimeter. I'll check later and come back to this thread.

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Posted by: SweetTRIX
The Spartans didn't mobilize from the Pillar of Autumn until Keyes realized that Covenant forces were headed to the ground. The Spartans goal was the protection of the reactors that powerd the orbital MAC platforms. So saying they (Spartans) were there beforehand is slightly inaccurate.

I don't see how that's true. Regardless of when the Spartans actually entered the battle, they were on their way (and actually on the ground as well) before the Covenant ships breached the defensive perimeter, and in the trailer almost the first thing said is "detected slipspace breaches below the defensive perimeter". Dropships aside (as they can't slip anyway), the Covenant only broke through the perimeter after the reactors were taken... which the Spartans were on the ground defending in the books.


Not true. When the Spartans arrived at the reactor site, Charlie Company had already held off the Covenant for 3 hours.


And if you remember correctly, the Covenant ships released hundreads of dropships along the poles of the planet.


Thx, thought I was losing my mind for a second.

  • 06.02.2009 3:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: x Wayne Venus x
Not true. When the Spartans arrived at the reactor site, Charlie Company had already held off the Covenant for 3 hours.


And if you remember correctly, the Covenant ships released hundreads of dropships along the poles of the planet.

As I said, both Trix and Wayne, "dropships aside". No Covenant vessel larger than a dropship breached the Orbital Defense Grid of Reach until the Super-MACs in the area fell or went offline. The trailer suggests that the ships jumped directly below the line at the get-go.

I'm in no way trying to argue that the Covenant did not breach the perimeter or didn't breach it until the Spartans hit the ground. I am trying to point out that the trailer suggests that full-grade warships busted through Slipspace below the defensive line, where it took hours of fighting and the Covenant taking heavy losses just to get the dropships through to begin the ground fight, much less the Covenant warships breaching the perimeter.

EDIT: I edited the OP for a bit more clarification, I see where you're coming from.

[Edited on 06.02.2009 3:24 PM PDT]

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Posted by: Lord Snakie
- No Spartan designation is as high as the designation given by the Sierra unit in the trailer.
I believe they are numbered in the order of the 300 chosen from, not the chosen 150 (Chosen Ones? lol).

  • 06.02.2009 3:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: SnakeRunner40
I believe they are numbered in the order of the 300 chosen from, not the chosen 150 (Chosen Ones? lol).

Actually, 75 were chosen. 150 candidates, 75 of those candidates taken, roughly 33 surviving fully-functional Spartans produced.

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Posted by: Lord Snakie
Posted by: SnakeRunner40
I believe they are numbered in the order of the 300 chosen from, not the chosen 150 (Chosen Ones? lol).

Actually, 75 were chosen. 150 candidates, 75 of those candidates taken, roughly 33 surviving fully-functional Spartans produced.


As stated in another thread, when he said sierra 256(or whatever), it could mean Spartan II- 56.

That is one of the Spartan designations that was sent down to Reach(Malcolm I believe).

Their really is no other explanation. There were no other Spartan II's after Hailey's original group, and the Spartan III groups started with A, B, C or D.


Or it could be a plot hole.

[Edited on 06.02.2009 3:27 PM PDT]

  • 06.02.2009 3:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: x Wayne Venus x
As stated in another thread, when he said sierra 256(or whatever), it could mean Spartan II- 56.

It was Sierra-259, and that's pretty important. That Spartan died on the drop in, so even if it did mean "Spartan-II, 059", that man was dead the minute he hit the ground. I doubt he'd have the breath in him to tell the UNSC command that he was there.

And, besides that point, no Spartan ever uses "II" in their designation. It was always "Spartan-___" or "Sierra-___", not "Spartan-II, ___" or "Sierra-II, ___". There's not only no record of it in any work, it's simply not logical.

  • 06.02.2009 3:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: Lord Snakie
As I said, both Trix and Wayne, "dropships aside". No Covenant vessel larger than a dropship breached the Orbital Defense Grid of Reach until the Super-MACs in the area fell or went offline. The trailer suggests that the ships jumped directly below the line at the get-go.

I'm in no way trying to argue that the Covenant did not breach the perimeter or didn't breach it until the Spartans hit the ground. I am trying to point out that the trailer suggests that full-grade warships busted through Slipspace below the defensive line, where it took hours of fighting and the Covenant taking heavy losses just to get the dropships through to begin the ground fight, much less the Covenant warships breaching the perimeter.


I see what your saying, and again as i've mentioned they may have just played with the events a little. The whole line of conversation could be out of it's actual context as well, as you said in your first post it's more than likely simple hype.

  • 06.02.2009 3:39 PM PDT

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I would say it's a hype trailer.

  • 06.02.2009 3:40 PM PDT

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i still think its reach. In one of the scenes you can see what looks like those orbital cannons they talk about in the book.

  • 06.02.2009 3:43 PM PDT

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What if it is a new, currently unknown, group of Spartans? I'll admit I don't think there's anything to support this, but hey did anyone really see the Spartans IIIs coming? Or the Halo War's Spartan team Omega?

  • 06.02.2009 3:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: Precursors
What if it is a new, currently unknown, group of Spartans? I'll admit I don't think there's anything to support this, but hey did anyone really see the Spartans IIIs coming? Or the Halo War's Spartan team Omega?


...or gray team from the book cole protocol,

  • 06.02.2009 3:48 PM PDT

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What if it is a new, currently unknown, group of Spartans? I'll admit I don't think there's anything to support this, but hey did anyone really see the Spartans IIIs coming? Or the Halo War's Spartan team Omega?


...or gray team from the book cole protocol,

They were hinted at in tFoR.

  • 06.02.2009 3:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: Lord Snakie
If you've read the novels, you would know that there was a harrowing fight that went on for almost an hour before the Covenant fleet jumped in below the tactical grid, and that there were entire armies of Covenant troops on the ground still engaging the UNSC while they jumped in below the orbital perimeter... and that there were Spartans on the ground long before that took place.

My problem with the trailer is that, quite simply, it doesn't fit into this situation. In the trailer we can clearly see something bombing the hell out of some UNSC planet, but I hesitate to call that Reach, especially when all the actual tactical information differed from what occurred in the book. Unless we claim that this was just a hype trailer and has inconsistencies with the actual game (which can be claimed to a certain extent with the original Halo 3 trailer, so this is possible), I don't know if we can make a definitive call yet.


Well, if you remember the ODST trailer we saw Rookie get out of the pod and avoid a Brute Patrol, that wasn't in the demo shown.

Teaser trailers = Not proper game



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Master chief was bitten in the neck by a flood infection form in "The Flood'' which never really happened in the game. The novels don't match the game.

  • 06.02.2009 4:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: Jake Aint MLG
Master chief was bitten in the neck by a flood infection form in "The Flood'' which never really happened in the game. The novels don't match the game.

It happened in my game actually happened a few times. And the Chief also died in mine due to those infection forms.

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Posted by: Jake Aint MLG
Master chief was bitten in the neck by a flood infection form in "The Flood'' which never really happened in the game. The novels don't match the game.

When you're making a novel to match a videogame, there are obviously going to be some inconsistencies. Simply by explaining the actions of the person in question, a novel likely changes the story. Saying "Chief threw a grenade" instead of "Chief shot the Grunt with an Assault Rifle burst" changes if it relates to how one person played or not. The small details aren't the issue; the overall details are all that matters.

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Do you really expect to see a 2 kilometer long ship in orbit of the planet from that far away?

  • 06.02.2009 5:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: Evil Elite
Do you really expect to see a 2 kilometer long ship in orbit of the planet from that far away?

Please re-read the thread and see if you understand afterwords what I am talking about. If you still think the same as the above, send me a PM and I'll explain what I mean. Needless to say, your thinking on what I am suggesting is inaccurate.

  • 06.02.2009 5:11 PM PDT