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Subject: Read the books before speculation!
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Please, unless you have read the books, don't come up with crazy ideas about the storyline. If you don't have access to the books, at least try reading up on Reach and additional info from halopedia.

Halo: Fall of Reach. Start here.

  • 06.01.2009 1:31 PM PDT

we'll call it a draw

amen brother

  • 06.01.2009 1:32 PM PDT

Corn, Oil, and Wine... We need more wine...

Yah, I have been sending messages to idiots doing that...

  • 06.01.2009 1:32 PM PDT

I'm personally just going to let it suprise me. I'd imagine by reading those I'm pretty much spoiling the story for myself.

  • 06.01.2009 1:33 PM PDT

Armor Lock isn't overpowered. You just suck at Reach :)

Reach isn't bad, you're just a BK :)

For my gamertag, look up "Ghoulishtie"

Totally agree.

1. Halo: Reach DOES take place BEFORE Halo 1.
2. Halo: ODST DOES take place between Halo 2 and 3.

Im sure that cleared up hundreds of peoples questions.

  • 06.01.2009 1:33 PM PDT

@trueunderdog

Chapter

Narwhallace Smithington: Gone, but not forgotten. Never approve of anything lil guy. <3
Furious George: The new -blam!-

I'm definitely going to have to agree with you. I haven't read the books yet, but the trailer definitely made me curious. I may buy the first two books after this Friday (pay day whoop!). I can't wait to see what speculations those of you who have read the books come up with.

:D

Get to it!

  • 06.01.2009 1:33 PM PDT

Bacon

Man I wish Halo books was translated into my language here( I don't have problem with english but I find it boring to read after 2 mins LOL) But Thanks for the advice I will read right away.

  • 06.01.2009 1:33 PM PDT

Wort Wort Wort???

Also, hilarious quote:
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True. Now that I think about it having the -blam!- beat out of you with a pool ball in a tube sock by your degenerate pimp is the better choice.

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Im glad I have read all the books. Im so excited. The trailer was absolutely chilling.

  • 06.01.2009 1:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: IIGhoulishtieII
Totally agree.

1. Halo: Reach DOES take place BEFORE Halo 1.
2. Halo: ODST DOES take place between Halo 2 and 3.

Im sure that cleared up hundreds of peoples questions.

No, it won't. Idiots will think they are smart because they see a planet at the end of Halo 3 and in the Reach trailer and by coming to the false presumption that these planets are one in the same, making Halo: Reach in their minds after Halo 3.

Some actual truth from halopedia usually dispels this on a case-by-case basis, but I have a feeling that this theory will surface many times in the future.

  • 06.01.2009 1:36 PM PDT

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The AR is an awesome weapon, RESPECT IT AS SUCH!!!

Posted by: IIGhoulishtieII
Totally agree.

1. Halo: Reach DOES take place BEFORE Halo 1.
2. Halo: ODST DOES take place between Halo 2 and 3.

Im sure that cleared up hundreds of peoples questions.


errr, sorry to burst your bubble, but i believe that ODST take place DURING Halo2, seeing as the original trailer is of the new mombosa space slip incident ( coveneant ship going into slipspace within the atmosphere). which is before MC even gets to the delta halo.

  • 06.01.2009 1:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: True Underdog
I'm definitely going to have to agree with you. I haven't read the books yet, but the trailer definitely made me curious. I may buy the first two books after this Friday (pay day whoop!). I can't wait to see what speculations those of you who have read the books come up with.

:D

Get to it!

Intelligent speculations are already a brewing :)

  • 06.01.2009 1:38 PM PDT

true i read the books too im pretty sure master cheif wont be in it it would help to know the time frame...

  • 06.01.2009 1:38 PM PDT
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Also don't forget to read First Strike as well as Fall of Reach. As for the Battle of Reach, First Strike actually gives more details to how things played out on the surface as well as Master Chief's involvement in the events portrayed.

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I doubt however that Master Chief will be in this game for the sake of simplicity. Trying to work in a Forerunner Artifact that manipulates time is a little too much to try to explain in a game. That's only my theory nothing more.

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I am very interested in who Spartan 259 is. He isn't mentioned anywhere in First Strike that I can remember.

  • 06.01.2009 1:46 PM PDT
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Posted by: BigO65
I am very interested in who Spartan 259 is. He isn't mentioned anywhere in First Strike that I can remember.

Well from what I found on halopedia, the first mention of spartan 259 is in this trailer, and his assigned number is greater than what we know of for the Spartan II project. It is a mystery so far.

  • 06.01.2009 1:58 PM PDT

@trueunderdog

Chapter

Narwhallace Smithington: Gone, but not forgotten. Never approve of anything lil guy. <3
Furious George: The new -blam!-

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Intelligent speculations are already a brewing :)


I look forward to using the "Save Thread" feature a lot in the near future.

  • 06.01.2009 1:59 PM PDT

"I hope nothing, I fear nothing, I am free"
"A person needs a little madness, or else they never dare cut the rope and be free." - Nikos Kazantzakis
"The ink of the scholar is more holy than the blood of martyrs" - Hasan al-Basri
Black Chapter, for all religious and political debate that doesn't fit in the Flood.

Well, reading the books never hurts (still got to get around to buying Harvest and Cole Protocol), but Bungie have never been entirely clear whether they were going to include book canon in their game series, so it's hard to know whether or not parts of Reach will get retconned for style or completely overhauled.

  • 06.01.2009 2:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: Strike Force
Posted by: IIGhoulishtieII
Totally agree.

1. Halo: Reach DOES take place BEFORE Halo 1.
2. Halo: ODST DOES take place between Halo 2 and 3.

Im sure that cleared up hundreds of peoples questions.

No, it won't. Idiots will think they are smart because they see a planet at the end of Halo 3 and in the Reach trailer and by coming to the false presumption that these planets are one in the same, making Halo: Reach in their minds after Halo 3.

Some actual truth from halopedia usually dispels this on a case-by-case basis, but I have a feeling that this theory will surface many times in the future.


It is possible for the game to take place after Halo 3, but still before Halo: CE. Think about it, using slipspace to travel is basically messing with the space-time continuum. So, in theory, if something such as a malfunction occurred you could be sent back in time. So, this could have happened to Master Chief at the end of H3.

A few things from the trailer support this. The first is that you see a shadow of something that looks like ship debris, perhaps the ship MC was on. The second is that at the beginning the trailer says "From the beginning, you know the end." What is the point in this? It could be to point out that this is a prequel, but the more logical way to do that is to post the date the video is from. So, this makes me believe that this is to make the viewer believe it is a prequel when it actually isn't. A spartan under the code name Sierra 259 speaks to the person who seems to be in command. I don't remember reading about this spartan in any of the books, so where did he come from? It could be a Spartan that wasn't near the events of the book, or it could actually be John 117, since he would use a different name because the John 117 of the time is there.

This is all speculation, but it could definately be possible and would make for a better story and game IMO.

  • 06.01.2009 2:12 PM PDT

"I hope nothing, I fear nothing, I am free"
"A person needs a little madness, or else they never dare cut the rope and be free." - Nikos Kazantzakis
"The ink of the scholar is more holy than the blood of martyrs" - Hasan al-Basri
Black Chapter, for all religious and political debate that doesn't fit in the Flood.

259 sounds a whole lot like John, but I wouldn't think it would be. Was some suggestion that they were the second class of SIIs, but there's been nothing on them, so it's hard to say.

As for time travel... Makes no sense. It would make far more sense for it to be a prequel than to mess around with time travel to try and rationalise the ending of H3 with Halo: Reach. First rule of good story telling is to avoid messing with the internal chronology of the series unless you can pull it off. That was pretty much the worst aspect of the books - using Forerunner technology to justify a piss poor effort in time travel, not to mention not really being very good story telling. So, best to assume that it's a prequel and that we know how it ends, but that they want to fill in the details and make it properly canon. (I'm still not sure if Halo Wars is treated as canon. :\)

Of course, he could be working on something entirely different, but I unno. Edit: Yeah, Jason Jones is working on the new IP, Seropian left.

[Edited on 06.01.2009 7:18 PM PDT]

  • 06.01.2009 4:08 PM PDT
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You can be neutral. Neutral means you don't have to pick sides in an argument. Also knows as Independent.

I'm still finishing the last book, Colo Protocol.

  • 06.01.2009 4:09 PM PDT
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Posted by: Truely a Phenom
A few things from the trailer support this. The first is that you see a shadow of something that looks like ship debris, perhaps the ship MC was on.

Yes, that ship looks a lot like Forward Unto Dawn because Forward Unto Dawn is a UNSC Frigate, a very common ship in the UNSC navy. Correct me if I am wrong, int the Reach trailer, there are 2 halves of the ship, but in Halo 3, half of the ship crashed into Earth, so that destroyed frigate in the Reach trailer cannot be the same one from the end of Halo 3.

The second is that at the beginning the trailer says "From the beginning, you know the end." What is the point in this? It could be to point out that this is a prequel, but the more logical way to do that is to post the date the video is from. So, this makes me believe that this is to make the viewer believe it is a prequel when it actually isn't.
You seemed incapable of using logic in this last post. Lets make it simple for you. It is a prequel, because of the phrase "from the beginning you know the end." That 'end' for Reach meant that it's surface was glassed, meaning that if this is not a prequel that you would have a lot of explaining to do as to how Reach regained it's atmosphere, oceans and ecosystem in less than a year after being glassed. Don't even think of bringing up a time travel theory, because the only time anomaly that occurred in Halo 3 was with recovering the Forerunner artifact on Reach, which was destroyed.

A spartan under the code name Sierra 259 speaks to the person who seems to be in command. I don't remember reading about this spartan in any of the books, so where did he come from? It could be a Spartan that wasn't near the events of the book, or it could actually be John 117, since he would use a different name because the John 117 of the time is there.
This spartan was never mentioned in the books and appears to be a brand new spartan. There is more that happens in the Halo universe than what we have read in the books. The phrase that sierra 259 says is similar to what the MC said when he found out there were spartans on the surface, but at the same time the MC said it in the presence of his commander, not over the battle COM.

This is all speculation, but it could definately be possible and would make for a better story and game IMO.
Please go back and read the books again. The Fall of Reach and First Strike are already amazing books and would make great games, adding time travel into the mix would make for a worse story.

  • 06.02.2009 12:05 AM PDT

Phoenix is dead, long live Phoenix!
Is it?

I've created a brief summary on the bungie forums of all reach information. Link follows.

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=33419026

  • 06.02.2009 12:12 AM PDT

Posted by: Anon
i woke a bit ago and my son was playing halo 3 he was on forge i saw at the bottom of the screen was a charge for 35 dollars is that real or not did he charge 35 bucks or is that justfor the in game

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Just going to throw this out there. I know it isn't likely, but there is always a possibility that the game will NOT follow the plot of The Fall of Reach. At least, not down to the word.

So while it helps to have read the books, there is no reason to assume Bungie won't throw in something unexpected.

[Edited on 06.02.2009 1:00 AM PDT]

  • 06.02.2009 1:00 AM PDT
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Posted by: GeneralMykus
Just going to throw this out there. I know it isn't likely, but there is always a possibility that the game will NOT follow the plot of The Fall of Reach. At least, not down to the word.

So while it helps to have read the books, there is no reason to assume Bungie won't throw in something unexpected.

I know. During the events of Halo 1, stuff was still happening on Reach that we don't know about. But reading the books will definitely rule out time travel theories.

  • 06.02.2009 3:04 AM PDT