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he's part of class II, class I stopped at 150

  • 06.02.2009 2:07 PM PDT

I agree with you and the messed up video, because after all Malcolm dies before even landing on reach. Or I suppose you could say he lives for all of a few minutes until he dies of his injuries from jumping from the pelican, but in any case he wouldn't have been able to say that he was on the ground blah blah blah

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  • 06.02.2009 10:02 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Who the hell said they have to be spartans, none of the spartans in the books were in a sierra squad, and I know MC goes by "Sierra" However none of the other spartans ever did.

  • 06.02.2009 10:05 PM PDT

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S259 is NOT a S-III... mostly cause S-III's didn't EXIST back during Reach....

Have you ever thought that maybe they didn't just line up all the spartans and name them 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.... etc.? maybe their numbers were just mixed around to make it sound like there were more spartans as to give the public more hope....

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SPARTAN-259 is a SPARTAN-II Commando and a member of the UNSC Naval Special Warfare Command [1]. He is referred to as Noble-One and is speculated that he is a member of Class II, as his tag is 259, which is over the 150 limit of the Class I SPARTAN-II's.


He is reffered to as NOBLE 1... eat that mofo's lol.... They say "where are you Noble 1? I need you (in my pants) Noble 1" or something like that

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  • 06.02.2009 10:10 PM PDT

Edit: I was wrong. Ignore this.

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Posted by: Capitan Morgan
S259 is NOT a S-III... mostly cause S-III's didn't EXIST back during Reach....

Have you ever thought that maybe they didn't just line up all the spartans and name them 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.... etc.? maybe their numbers were just mixed around to make it sound like there were more spartans as to give the public more hope....

NEVER MIND READ THIS
(thank you for the halopedia link, tiny)


SPARTAN-259 is a SPARTAN-II Commando and a member of the UNSC Naval Special Warfare Command [1]. He is referred to as Noble-One and is speculated that he is a member of Class II, as his tag is 259, which is over the 150 limit of the Class I SPARTAN-II's.


He is reffered to as NOBLE 1... eat that mofo's lol.... They say "where are you Noble 1? I need you (in my pants) Noble 1" or something like that


Noble 1 one could refer to Admiral Whitcomb or one of the other High Brass stationed on Reach.

The Spartan class, I may point out, had 300 subject choices. Halsey could only fund 150 of these 300 candidates. However they were all assigned numbers as SPARTAN II candidates.
The callnumber could in fact got up to 300.

This S-259, is an unknown spartan at the moment.

  • 06.02.2009 11:06 PM PDT

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the numbers ended at 300
halsley had to wash out 150 of them with the coin toss test though
so only 150 were made into spartans

doesnt explain the 320 though

and its not Spartan 2 - 059 its Spartan II - 259
otherwise master chief would be Spartan 1 - 017 which is just wrong hes Spartan II - 117

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  • 06.02.2009 11:09 PM PDT

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Benjamin!

Actually Spartan III's did exist around the time of Reach. Alpha Company "graduated" in 2536 thats 16 years before the battle at Reach. I know they were all killed but I'm just saying that there were Spartan III's before Reach.

Another point I'd like to mention. Has anybody considered that Halo:Reach was set after the Battle of Reach? Notice in the trailer that the planet is already glassed? Well my propsal is that the Spartans we hear are in fact the members of Gamma Company who did not remain on Onyx to compete for top honours.

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  • 06.02.2009 11:10 PM PDT

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i think it will start at the beggining of the fight and end with the events in First Strike

  • 06.02.2009 11:11 PM PDT

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Oy, time to clear up some discrepancies with this thread:

Yes, it seems most plausible that Sierra-259 and Sierra-320 are Spartan-II's, albeit a possible second class of Spartan-II's (which is theorized by Halopedia).

The original class of Spartan-II's could of been serialized from 1 to 300 for the following reason (which is supported by Halo:FoR):
-The program started with 300 candidates.
-Out of this 300, 150 were deemed worthy enough for investigation and field research (such as Dr. Halsey and Lt. Keyes investigation of John-117 before he was deemed a worth candidate and kidnapped or "conscripted" if you will, into the program).
-Out of the 150 investigated, the program only had budgeting to select 75.
From there the numbers vary, but Spartan-II's could of been #'ed all the way to 300.
BTW, this does NOT explain Sierra-320's designation. She is without a doubt, over the normal serialized class of numbers.

The Spartans mentioned in the video COULD be Spartan-III's, and they DID exist at the time Reach was glassed. HOWEVER, out of the three companies trained, only Gamma company was still alive. Alpha & Beta were KIA due to their respective suicide Op's, and Delta Company hadn't been trained, or even arrived for that matter, before the Battle of Onyx occured. It also seems highly unlikely these Spartans were of the -III class because those Spartans were not only serialized by number, but by company (i.e. Spartan-G255 or GAMMA 2 5 5).

The Spartan's secret all clear code is NOT Oly Oly Oxplenty (whoever said this needs to brush up on their Halo.....seriously). It's: "Oly Oly Oxen Free", with the counter response being "We're all free".

Please people, brush up on your Halo materials. And whoever said Sierra-259 is Malcolm.....in the nicest way possible......no, you're wrong. That's all I'm going to say.

The banister picture shows a bunch of figures, and some of them could be of Spartans, but its probably just media. The Spartans DID just receive Mark-VI armor before Reach was attacked.

Please don't misunderstand, I want to be clear as possible on this. I'm not trying to be rude to anybody, but if you post something incorrectly, I WILL correct it.

S220

  • 06.02.2009 11:18 PM PDT

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Benjamin!

Yes I understand that the Spartan III's of Gamma Company had a G attached to their serialised number. On another note, after reviewing the image at the top of this page I have decided to withdraw my statement that they are Spartan III's, in that image it appears that the silhouettes are of Spartan's in Mjolnir Armour so this would take Spartan III's out of the equation some what. Also one of the silhouettes seems to be a ODST or another "unaugmented" Human,

  • 06.02.2009 11:24 PM PDT

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i have a possible answer. there may have been up to 300 spartans or more recruited and would have been given numbers then and then retained them thruogh life untill only 150 graduated.

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Posted by: Hammer 220
Oy, time to clear up some discrepancies with this thread:

Yes, it seems most plausible that Sierra-259 and Sierra-320 are Spartan-II's, albeit a possible second class of Spartan-II's (which is theorized by Halopedia).

The original class of Spartan-II's could of been serialized from 1 to 300 for the following reason (which is supported by Halo:FoR):
-The program started with 300 candidates.
-Out of this 300, 150 were deemed worthy enough for investigation and field research (such as Dr. Halsey and Lt. Keyes investigation of John-117 before he was deemed a worth candidate and kidnapped or "conscripted" if you will, into the program).
-Out of the 150 investigated, the program only had budgeting to select 75.
From there the numbers vary, but Spartan-II's could of been #'ed all the way to 300.
BTW, this does NOT explain Sierra-320's designation. She is without a doubt, over the normal serialized class of numbers.

The Spartans mentioned in the video COULD be Spartan-III's, and they DID exist at the time Reach was glassed. HOWEVER, out of the three companies trained, only Gamma company was still alive. Alpha & Beta were KIA due to their respective suicide Op's, and Delta Company hadn't been trained, or even arrived for that matter, before the Battle of Onyx occured. It also seems highly unlikely these Spartans were of the -III class because those Spartans were not only serialized by number, but by company (i.e. Spartan-G255 or GAMMA 2 5 5).

The Spartan's secret all clear code is NOT Oly Oly Oxplenty (whoever said this needs to brush up on their Halo.....seriously). It's: "Oly Oly Oxen Free", with the counter response being "We're all free".

Please people, brush up on your Halo materials. And whoever said Sierra-259 is Malcolm.....in the nicest way possible......no, you're wrong. That's all I'm going to say.

The banister picture shows a bunch of figures, and some of them could be of Spartans, but its probably just media. The Spartans DID just receive Mark-VI armor before Reach was attacked.

Please don't misunderstand, I want to be clear as possible on this. I'm not trying to be rude to anybody, but if you post something incorrectly, I WILL correct it.

S220


Hoorah!

Oh by the way, Malcolm died on impact during the hotdrop. Seeming that you did point out that Reach was partially glassed, Malcolm would have already been dead.

Or maybe Spartan ghosts talk over comm. channels too...

  • 06.02.2009 11:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: KEVINSPARTAN117
the numbers ended at 300
halsley had to wash out 150 of them with the coin toss test though
so only 150 were made into spartans

doesnt explain the 320 though

and its not Spartan 2 - 059 its Spartan II - 259
otherwise master chief would be Spartan 1 - 017 which is just wrong hes Spartan II - 117
What if they kept their original call signs to throw the Covenant off. Kind of like what the US did in the Cold War with Special Forces unit designations. The first SF unit was named the 10th Special Forces group to throw the Soviets off.

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i have a possible answer. there may have been up to 300 spartans or more recruited and would have been given numbers then and then retained them thruogh life untill only 150 graduated.


Nothing with your theory matches with what is stated in Halo: Fall of Reach.

Only 33 to 38 (again, the numbers vary) graduated from the original 75 selected to train in the program. 300 were selected due to their genetic traits, but only 150 were researched and tested, and 75 were actually conscripted.

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There was 150 in the original bunch or the first class.There could be a thousand in the second class for all we really know. Adter MC's first group proves to be awesome they go ahead with a second group of Spartan 2s...which of course means more numbers.


Bungie doesn't necessary have to follow the canon set by the book.

  • 06.03.2009 12:07 AM PDT

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There was 150 in the original bunch or the first class.There could be a thousand in the second class for all we really know. Adter MC's first group proves to be awesome they go ahead with a second group of Spartan 2s...which of course means more numbers.


Bungie doesn't necessary have to follow the canon set by the book.



Very true.

However this game announcement proves the exact opposite. As a matter of fact, you can hear quotes from Fall of Reach in the trailer itself. Why would Bungie not follow its own approved and endorsed novel?

Just because there are additional Spartans doesn't necessarily mean Bungie is changing the rules... they may be just expanding the story into previously unknown story arcs. This may be the story of what happens AFTER Reach is glassed, as someone suggested earlier.

There may well be another class of Spartan-II's, despite the fact that Col. Ackerson reported to Kurt that the other Spartan-II class was on hold indefinitely. It's all up to Bungie to explain.

And yes, there were 150 investigated, but not all of them made the program. The class was reduced to 75 spots due mainly to budgeting and time constraints.

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  • 06.03.2009 12:19 AM PDT

I CAN"T WAIT FOR ODST TO COME OUT!!! W00T!!!

....... Could it be? Spartain 1's? ...

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  • 06.03.2009 12:27 AM PDT

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....... Could it be? Spartain 1's? ...


Possibly. There's not a lot of canon on Spartan-I's other than Project ORION. If Ilovebees had any truth to it, than it's again unlikely. Those Spartan's were recruited from the Special Forces of the UNSC, and didn't have any known serialization that I am aware of.

  • 06.03.2009 12:33 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cadetak
There was 150 in the original bunch or the first class.There could be a thousand in the second class for all we really know. Adter MC's first group proves to be awesome they go ahead with a second group of Spartan 2s...which of course means more numbers.


Bungie doesn't necessary have to follow the canon set by the book.



Very true.

However this game announcement proves the exact opposite. As a matter of fact, you can hear quotes from Fall of Reach in the trailer itself. Why would Bungie not follow its own approved and endorsed novel?

Just because there are additional Spartans doesn't necessarily mean Bungie is changing the rules... they may be just expanding the story into previously unknown story arcs. This may be the story of what happens AFTER Reach is glassed, as someone suggested earlier.

There may well be another class of Spartan-II's, despite the fact that Col. Ackerson reported to Kurt that the other Spartan-II class was on hold indefinitely. It's all up to Bungie to explain.

And yes, there were 150 investigated, but not all of them made the program. The class was reduced to 75 spots due mainly to budgeting and time constraints.


They can go against the book for a number of reasons and wouldn't be the first franchise to do it(ex. Star Wars). Very few actually read the book, there is the trouble of adapting one story from one media to another(ex. Comic book movies), the books storyline may not make for good videogame narrative or gameplay, Bungie may have better ideas...and so on.

Bungie has already used retroactive continuity itself by putting latter additions(new weaponry and races) into games that take place in the past. They can do the same here and make up some excuse as to why these new spartans just came out of nowhere for this game.

Later Spartan 2s and even the Spartan 3s can account for the higher number. The 150 figure only accounts for the first batch. What Ackerson said doesn't matter, he could have activated them for the emergency or just saying they were on hold for a cover story.

Fact is we have Spartans with ID numbers of 259 and 320. Obviously there is more of them so they have to be Spartan 2s or 3s.

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Posted by: Anti Ghost 739
....... Could it be? Spartain 1's? ...


Unlikely. MC's number was 117 these guys have higher numbers which assumingly they came after him. Also weren't the Spartan 1's deemed a failure? They also didn't have the armour

It's possible however that they could be old Spartan 1 survivors who got put into one of the newer Spartan classes...so Spartan 1 body, Spartan 2 gear.

  • 06.03.2009 12:40 AM PDT

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Posted by: Anti Ghost 739
....... Could it be? Spartain 1's? ...


Unlikely. MC's number was 117 these guys have higher numbers which assumingly they came after him. Also weren't the Spartan 1's deemed a failure? They also didn't have the armour

It's possible however that they could be old Spartan 1 survivors who got put into one of the newer Spartan classes...so Spartan 1 body, Spartan 2 gear.


in fall of reach it said that they tested a spartan I candidate in mjolir armour and he got his arm broken and dislocated , plus spartan I's where designed for the cyclops exo-skeleton

  • 06.03.2009 12:42 AM PDT

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....... Could it be? Spartain 1's? ...


Unlikely. MC's number was 117 these guys have higher numbers which assumingly they came after him. Also weren't the Spartan 1's deemed a failure? They also didn't have the armour

It's possible however that they could be old Spartan 1 survivors who got put into one of the newer Spartan classes...so Spartan 1 body, Spartan 2 gear.


in fall of reach it said that they tested a spartan I candidate in mjolir armour and he got his arm broken and dislocated , plus spartan I's where designed for the cyclops exo-skeleton



Not a spartan 1 candidate, a normal marine.

  • 06.03.2009 12:47 AM PDT

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it could possibly be a class 2 who hadnt graduated i syuppose.

  • 06.03.2009 12:50 AM PDT