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There is no greater catharsis than arguing on the Flood.

Shields and armor? They could do quite a bit.

  • 06.01.2009 6:33 PM PDT

Posted by: Woodzy14
Posted by: RvB Rocks95
Posted by: Last Hanyou
Um, yes there was a SPARTAN-I program. Sgt. Johnson was a member of that program. The Master Chief was a member of the SPARTAN-II program, and "Ghosts of Onyx" focuses on the SPARTAN-III program. Idiot.
No there wasn't you dip-blam!-e. That was a rumor on the internet, never confirmed before. It wasn't in ANY of the books, including the one that was based almost entirely on his actions. Wow, you're cool, you can call me an idiot when you have no idea what you're talking about. I'm so hurt.


RvB, stop being a tard and calm down. Second, there was a spartan 1 program, it was confirmed in the books.
Really? Which book?

  • 06.01.2009 6:34 PM PDT

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read the forgotten spartan by rainman89

Posted by: GAMEWINNERS
I guess the name Orbital Drop Shock Trooper dosent mean anything


They're shock troopers who are dropped from orbit. It means exactly what it sounds like.

  • 06.01.2009 6:36 PM PDT

-The Cheesiest-

I thought all special troopers had suits with a gel-layer to cushion the impact...

  • 06.01.2009 6:37 PM PDT

"Bungie controls everything. You have no rights. Play nice."

For the last time its TURRETS not TORRENTS. A TORRENT is either a peer to peer file sharing protocol or a violently fast stream of water. A TURRET is a self-contained weapons platform housing guns and capable of rotation. And TURRENT isn't even a word.

More accurately, where did I hear Spartan I.

I heard it here. It was part of the Axon I LOVE BEES ARG for Halo 2. Its one of the sources for the ORION project. At the very least, it proves that there was a Spartan I project.

  • 06.01.2009 6:38 PM PDT

Sieg Zeon

Posted by: yugor1000
The ORION Project, which was the code-name for SPARTAN-Is and their operations, was instrumental in one very important operation before the Human-Covenant war : Operation TREBUCHET.

Quoted from page 11 of Contact Harvest. as said by Johnson, during a raid:

"...marine had other, shorter and cruder names for rebels in this campaign - codenamed TREBUCHET - was designed to crush."

Wy would Johnson be part of something primarily carried out by high-level special forces and SPARTAN-Is, if he was not one of them?

Further, as pointed out by Halo: First Strike, Johnson has abnormally high endurance, strength and several other factors that stand out. Further, he is completely immune to Flood Infection - something that only SPARTANS are immune to, thanks to their physical agumentations, and neural enhancements. As pointed out by Doctor Hasely in First Strike, the "official" reason given for this is that Johnson has Borhen's Syndrome, whichs affects his mental and neural abilities, making it too hard for Flood to infection and control him. However, she notes that he denied treatment for this diease, even though it is almost always fatal within 15 years. The even odder part is this - that the "official" records show that Johnson would have had Borhen's Syndrome for almost 21 years at the time of First Strike - elminating the possibilty of that being the cause, and making all the more likely that he recieved augementations through the SPARTAN-I program.

Finally, if that isn't enough, the Halo Graphic novels, which are considered canon by Bungie, have a fairly clear and distinct panel in them wherein both the ORION PROJECT and Johnson are being discussed, with case files spread on a table shwoing Johnson under going fire exercises, and being described as a "success".


operation trebuchet was not a special operation for special soldiers such as spartans, it was the full military's campaign at that given time.

also, no where is there any reference to the spartans bein immune to the flood, when the cheif got bit by an infection form in halo the flood, the reason y he wasnt infected was because he pulled it out before the stinger or whatever the hell it was could insert itself properly, and thus john was not infected

also the spartan 1 project was shutdown in 2506 johnson was at least in his 20-30s in contact harvest and in his 50s in the games, now if he was a spartan 1 then he would have to be anywhere between80-90 years old by the events of halo 3 the timeline just doesnt add up

  • 06.01.2009 6:42 PM PDT

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~Long Live Halo 2
Only regret is I didn't play more of it.

If you haven't noticed by now, I'm sort of a jerk.

Posted by: RvB Rocks95
Posted by: Last Hanyou
Um, yes there was a SPARTAN-I program. Sgt. Johnson was a member of that program. The Master Chief was a member of the SPARTAN-II program, and "Ghosts of Onyx" focuses on the SPARTAN-III program. Idiot.
No there wasn't you dip-blam!-e. That was a rumor on the internet, never confirmed before. It wasn't in ANY of the books, including the one that was based almost entirely on his actions. Wow, you're cool, you can call me an idiot when you have no idea what you're talking about. I'm so hurt.

you need this go here, and you will be proved wrong rvb.
was that so hard?

[Edited on 06.01.2009 6:43 PM PDT]

  • 06.01.2009 6:42 PM PDT

Posted by: st3althsniper22
Posted by: RvB Rocks95
Posted by: Last Hanyou
Um, yes there was a SPARTAN-I program. Sgt. Johnson was a member of that program. The Master Chief was a member of the SPARTAN-II program, and "Ghosts of Onyx" focuses on the SPARTAN-III program. Idiot.
No there wasn't you dip-blam!-e. That was a rumor on the internet, never confirmed before. It wasn't in ANY of the books, including the one that was based almost entirely on his actions. Wow, you're cool, you can call me an idiot when you have no idea what you're talking about. I'm so hurt.

you need this go here, and you will be proved wrong rvb.
was that so hard?
All that stuff that it linked me to, that stuff wasn't in the books right? Right. Non of it is canon. Where have I been proved wrong again? But I'm flattered you made instructions for me, as I could never have typed in that RUMOR by myself. I'm obviousley terrible at making arguments that make sense.

  • 06.01.2009 6:51 PM PDT

"Bungie controls everything. You have no rights. Play nice."

For the last time its TURRETS not TORRENTS. A TORRENT is either a peer to peer file sharing protocol or a violently fast stream of water. A TURRET is a self-contained weapons platform housing guns and capable of rotation. And TURRENT isn't even a word.

Okay, time to go in depth.

This is page 122 of the Halo Graphic Novel.

Read the left text in the green box. It specifically mentions Charlie Hotel 46951 (Catherine Halsey) making several queries about Alpha Juliette 20114 (which happens to be Avery Johnson's initials and serial number).

Echo 23023 then mentions that Julliett20114 is a Spartan one. Considering the initials and serial number match, there is really no other possibility except that AV20114 us in fact Avery Johnson, and he is a Spartan 1.

  • 06.01.2009 6:52 PM PDT
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I can only please one person per day.

Today isn't your day.

Tomorrow isn't looking too good either.

Johnson's age is irrelevant - the graphic novels, which are canon, clealy state, even by name, that Johnson was a part of the ORION Project.

Further, you seem to have misconceptions about Flood infection.

Flood infect hosts by latching onto them, and slaving their neural systems to the Flood, then transforming them. The transformations take a bit of time, however the control is almost instant upon penetration. However, SPARTAN neural implants and modifications make the neural systems of SPARTANS too hard to control, thus they cannot be infected, as deduced by Dr. Hasely. However, the basic Flood does not know this, and would still attempt to do so. Further, the basic Flood Infection form can also outright kill a target by latching onto them, so they would still attempt to this in order to add biomass to the horde.

So still, we can prove that Johnson is a SPARTAN-I not only by direct mention in the graphic novels, but by the fact that is immune to Flood Infection, and is far more resililent then even the strongest Marines and ODSTs, which could only be explained by his being a SPARTAN-I and recieving the body augmentations. Borhen's Syndrome cannot be the cause for his resilence, as it would have killed him over 6 years before Halo began, or uased him severe mental problems by this point in time.

[Edited on 06.01.2009 6:55 PM PDT]

  • 06.01.2009 6:53 PM PDT

Posted by: yugor1000
Johnson's age is irrelevant - the graphic novels, which are canon, clealy state, even by name, that Johnson was a part of the ORION Project.

Further, you seem to have misconceptions about Flood infection.

Flood infect hosts by latching onto them, and slaving their neural systems to the Flood, then transforming them. The transformations take a bit of time, however the control is almost instant upon penetration. However, SPARTAN neural implants and modifications make the neural systems of SPARTANS too hard to control, thus they cannot be infected, as deduced by Dr. Hasely. However, the basic Flood does not know this, and would still attempt to do so. Further, the basic Flood Infection form can also outright kill a target by latching onto them, so they would still attempt to this in order to add biomass to the horde.

So still, we can prove that Johnson is a SPARTAN-I not only by direct mention in the graphic novels, but by the fact that is immune to Flood Infection, and is far more resililent then even the strongest Marines and ODSTs, which could only be explained by his being a SPARTAN-I and recieving the body augmentations. Borhen's Syndrome cannot be the cause for his resilence, as it would have killed him over 6 years before Halo began, or uased him severe mental problems by this point in time.
You can't read well can you? SPARTANS, LIKE EVERY SENTIENT BEINGS MINUS AVERY AND ANY OTHER BOREN'S SYNDROME INFECTEES CAN BE INFECTED BY THE FLOOD. AVERY IS SINGLED OUT BECAUSE OF BOREN'S SYNDROME ONLY, NO AUGMENTATIONS.

  • 06.01.2009 7:03 PM PDT
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Wow, I can't believe this topic has gone off this far with no conclusion for the side arguement.

  • 06.01.2009 7:06 PM PDT

"Bungie controls everything. You have no rights. Play nice."

For the last time its TURRETS not TORRENTS. A TORRENT is either a peer to peer file sharing protocol or a violently fast stream of water. A TURRET is a self-contained weapons platform housing guns and capable of rotation. And TURRENT isn't even a word.

That you know of. Since its obvious that we will never convince each other of our opposing opinions, I say way go back to discussion of the original topic until some Bungie employee tells us what the answer is.

As for whether or not Johnson was a Spartan I, we have provided plenty of sources, I even provided an in depth explanation of page 122, and an official soundbite confirming the programs existence.

You have yet to provide any evidence that he wasn't a spartan I. Many sources indicate that Johnson was a member of the ORION project.

The ORION project was the code name for the Spartan I project.

Johnson was a Spartan I.

Back on topic, I think that the ODST didn't drop that far in the first place, his health went down quite a bit, but he recovered quickly. Sounds like the standard fare for an ODST to me.

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  • 06.01.2009 7:09 PM PDT
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I've fallen 20 feet off a scaffolding with only some bruises and a sprained ankle. I'm not in the best of shape, pretty sure a Helljumper could fair better then I did.

Also: "Frank O'Connor mentioned the revised state of canon as applied to I Love Bees. In answering a question about how the Halo Graphic Novel expanded the Halo universe beyond the games and Bungie's overall plans for the universe, he said, "We're going to have this huge collection of canon and things that we embrace as canon, like I Love Bees and stuff like that." This was shown in the graphic novel as two characters from I Love Bees, Herzog and Standish, are referenced in a canon image, as well as events in the I Love Bees storyline in which they took place."

I love Bees was all about the Spartan-1s and their children the Spartan-1.1s (who ONI hunted down as subjects for the Spartan-II program). The graphic novel is canon, characters from ILB are in the graphic novel, there for the Spartan-1 program is canon.

Now shut up and talk about fall damage.

  • 06.01.2009 7:10 PM PDT
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I can only please one person per day.

Today isn't your day.

Tomorrow isn't looking too good either.

I honestly give up. These two refuse to accept facts from canon sources that there are SPARTAN-Is, and that Johnson is one of them, and they somehow think that Dr. Hasely is some kind nutjob who goes around making things up because she likes it.

Try reading First Strike, Contact Harvest, the Wiki, the graphic novels, and then get back to us.

  • 06.01.2009 7:10 PM PDT
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Someone call Achronos!

  • 06.01.2009 7:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: RvB Rocks95
PROVE.
IT.

Avery Johnson was a Spartan-I.


Someone is a little grumpy today...

  • 06.01.2009 7:15 PM PDT

Posted by: Zalerium
The truth is you think Halo 3 is better than Reach because of the player count? I really don't care which game has more players. If i enjoy the game, i play it for that purpose.

The Spartan 1 project exists. It wasn't released to the (halo) public. The Spartan 2 project was an expansion of the first, made to be better, stronger, faster, and overall more effective than Spartan 1's. they also got the armour. the armour wasn't able to be released to other soldiers because 1-they couldnt handle it. (the "test" marine nearly ripped out his own arm trying to move it an inch) 2- it was waaaay too expensive. the books mention the ORION project. codename for spartan 1 project. now please drop the subject. ODST.... "Orbital Drop Shock Trooper". I'm pretty sure they'd have shock-absorbant armour.... and boots. and... well, the lower section of their body.

  • 06.01.2009 7:27 PM PDT

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Fairness is only possible within the limited powers of man. Elsewhere, there is only chance.

Thus I refute thee.

ODST = Orbital Drop Shock Trooper. It is training.
Also, you should read one of the Halo novels. "Cole Protocol" I think it is. About ODSTs. Pretty good book!

  • 06.01.2009 7:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: Toad117
He isn't master chief how the hell does he just walk off like that?

(was demonstated during the beggining of the trailer)



Well you can survive a fall from that high use your knee's to absorb the shock, and don't mind breaking your ankles in the process. but also rolling is a great way to survive.

  • 06.01.2009 7:29 PM PDT

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