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Subject: Spartan James

A mythic member but I speak my mind to much.

you can edit your posts ya know.

  • 08.05.2009 12:30 AM PDT

lol i just found out you can edit boy i feel like an idiot

  • 08.05.2009 12:33 AM PDT

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i wonder why everyone is sooo interested in james for some reason i mean we all know he ends up dieing in the end lol

  • 08.05.2009 12:35 AM PDT

A mythic member but I speak my mind to much.

pointless rambling maybe. That seems to be what most of the topics here are about.

Combat knives
Sprinting
Dead characters
Boats
Plots from people that didnt read the books

  • 08.05.2009 12:42 AM PDT

yah pretty much

  • 08.05.2009 1:05 AM PDT

i hope they make halo reach like the book

  • 08.05.2009 1:08 AM PDT

J-H

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Posted by: Ultramonkey88
nobody calls themselves spartan 259, they say Sierra.
Have you seen the Halo 2 ending?

Sierra is a fireteam name, like Alpha, Beta, Charlie, Zulu, ect.


Sierra could mean anything beginning with "S" but is most likely a Spartan...go to this video of the Halo Landfall video and at about 6:19 you can see Master Chief being tagged as "Sierra 117". It's to make sure only a few people understand it (code, sort of)

  • 08.05.2009 3:38 PM PDT

Its obvious james is not Sierra 259 because if you listen to what the guy says he says we'vv got spartans on the ground and were not going anywhere. so hes definintly on the surface of reach therefore not a floating spartan named james.

  • 08.05.2009 3:49 PM PDT

I am a Halo 3 Failure.

Sierra is a code word the UNSC uses to talk about Spartan's, it's used as a safety measure to prevent themselves from tipping off the Covenant that a Spartan is coming.

  • 08.05.2009 3:49 PM PDT

Im sorry but Chief's name is not james its john play halo 3 to end and when they leave the ark and its about to blow cortana says: "it's been an honor serving with you John"

  • 08.05.2009 3:50 PM PDT

J-H

Posted by: Arpiter
Im sorry but Chief's name is not james its john play halo 3 to end and when they leave the ark and its about to blow cortana says: "it's been an honor serving with you John"


* Double Facepalm*
He's talking abotu a completely different Spartan called James...Not Master Chief Petty Officer John-117...Muppet

  • 08.05.2009 4:02 PM PDT
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Am I the only one who can't find this PROOF of a second class of Spartan II's being made because everything I have read states that Master Chiefs class is the only class of Spartan IIs

  • 08.05.2009 4:19 PM PDT
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Iam enjoying Halo Reach and revisiting some past Bungie games, iam a big fan of Bungie and their online community.

059 259
seira 259.

  • 08.05.2009 4:24 PM PDT

J-H

Posted by: TweakX
Am I the only one who can't find this PROOF of a second class of Spartan II's being made because everything I have read states that Master Chiefs class is the only class of Spartan IIs

I think CPO Mendez said he was going off to train a new batch but then we find out that it was cancelled...The "cancellation" could be a cover up for a more secretive batch of Spartans but we might never know

  • 08.05.2009 4:28 PM PDT
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well all about this James business i am very curious however i am also interested about who else is gonna be a character

  • 08.05.2009 4:37 PM PDT
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actually i took a look myself i only saw one body but the rest was ship debris so it could have only been one person it may nit be James but itr could be

  • 08.05.2009 4:44 PM PDT

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This apple is brown, and rotten. This orange on the other hand, is in relatively average shape. So the orange is definitely the preferable option.
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Posted by: MasterJh
Posted by: TweakX
Am I the only one who can't find this PROOF of a second class of Spartan II's being made because everything I have read states that Master Chiefs class is the only class of Spartan IIs

I think CPO Mendez said he was going off to train a new batch but then we find out that it was cancelled...The "cancellation" could be a cover up for a more secretive batch of Spartans but we might never know


A second class of Spartan IIs was in the planning stage. Mljonir was consuming large parts of the budget. And Hasely couldn't gather enough canidates. So it was put on hold. Then the Spartan III project started up, Mendez move on to that. And its sorta assumed it was cancelled, and never regained steam.

I however imagine, ONI would of reinvested in the project. Especially after all members of alpha team , died in combat less than a year after they were made operational. Sure they had several successful missions, but they didn't have any staying power. The innovations in the selection proccess for the SP-III program, could of been repurposed for a second class of Spartan IIs.
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Beyond all that. There is some evidence for a second class of Spartan IIs. There are inconsistencies regarding the number of Spartan IIs at Reach. "About two dozen Spartan IIs" attended the debriefing with Hasely, all of remaining Spartan IIs, other than gray team (which had three members) according to Hasely. Halo Wars states 25 out of the 28 surviving original spartan IIs came to Reach for the debriefing.

However in FoR its later stated, 3 Spartan IIs remained in space over Reach (James, Masterchief, and Linda), and 27 other Spartan IIs as part of red team went down to the surface of Reach. Thats a total of 30 Spartan IIs. Finally, if you take the original 33 conscripted Spartan IIs, and subtract every spartan II that died before Reach was attacked. You get twenty two. If there was only one class of Spartan IIs, there should only be 22 spartans alive by the time Reach is attacked.

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So let me explicitly point out the problems.

Going by Halo Wars and FS, there are six more Spartan IIs operational just before the Fall of Reach, then whats possible. If the six spartans in Halo Wars don't make it back to safety, then there should only be 16 spartan IIs alive. Which means there are between 6-12 more Spartan IIs at the debriefing then whats possible. Depending on weither the six in Halo Wars survive.

Going by Halo Wars, and FoR, and contrasting it with FS and later in FoR, there are five additional Spartan IIs that fought on Reach. That weren't at the debriefing despite Hasely saying, all Spartan IIs attended the debriefing other than gray team. The five Spartan IIs in the banner?


That means, there are a total of 11-17 Spartan IIs at Reach that CAN"T exist, without a class 2 of Spartan IIs. I mean, if you calculate gray team, and all of the Spartans recorded as being on Reach (in FoR, and FS) you get 33. That means, there are only two explanations. No Spartans died before Reach. And all KIAs, MIAs, WIAs, etc were all coverups. And then ONI in its infinite wisdom, reintergrated these Spartans who were listed as KIA, MIA and WIA into the spartan II program. And they served along side their former Spartan IIs, and nobody remarked; " WTF, Samuel your supposed to be dead."

Beyond that, the fact these Spartan IIs have call signs higher than 150, again speaks for itself.

Weither intentional, or unintentional, too many spartan IIs exist in Halo canon, without a second class of Spartan IIs. It was either intentional discrepencies, to hint at a second class of Spartan IIs. Or its serious holes in the canon, that only have a few possible solutions. The easiest solution, that also gives the canon the most room to grow in the future, is the creation of a second class of Spartan IIs.

[Edited on 08.05.2009 5:56 PM PDT]

  • 08.05.2009 5:26 PM PDT

James lost an arm, and the large spartan in the reach picture doesnt look like he has half of his left arm, just like james.... so its still possible that its him.. if you look carefully, you see that the thin arm piece you can see is from the small spartan behind, and the big arm seems to end half way, no overlap is visible...

  • 08.05.2009 5:33 PM PDT

If u r reading tis, u r teh dumest pearson in teh hol world!- I r a kitteh and i aprove dis mesage.

Posted by: Ultramonkey88
His number would not be way off like that, It would be between 1 and 150 since there were only 150 Spartans conscripted.

300 were considered. 150 were candidates. 75 were conscripted.
Therefore, it is possible to have a Spartan-300.
All 300 had a number assigned to them.

  • 08.05.2009 6:04 PM PDT

Wasn't aware that happened in the Reach teaser. Oh, wait....It didn't.

"This is Sierra 259. You've got Spartans on the ground, sir. We're not going anywhere."
Try watching the trailer again genius. And Sierra is a ground team name, so the fact that he says "Sierra 259" doesn't conclusively identify him as any particular Spartan. It's just a fire-team callsign, not his Spartan callsign.






  • 08.05.2009 6:04 PM PDT

Hmmm....... This Sierra 259 stuff is confusing the hell out of me then........ MC is called Sierra 117 right?? As in Spartan-117. So Sierra 259 surely must mean Spartan-259. Never has the MC been referred to as Sierra 2-117.[/quote]

Actually, it's the Arbiter whose callsign is Sierra 117 in Halo 3. MC has always been Spartan 117. Half of the people here are just spouting crap. We'll just have to wait till the game gets closer to find out for sure. Regardless, the game will be epic.

  • 08.05.2009 6:15 PM PDT

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This apple is brown, and rotten. This orange on the other hand, is in relatively average shape. So the orange is definitely the preferable option.
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Posted by: Brian the RULER
Posted by: Ultramonkey88
His number would not be way off like that, It would be between 1 and 150 since there were only 150 Spartans conscripted.

300 were considered. 150 were candidates. 75 were conscripted.
Therefore, it is possible to have a Spartan-300.
All 300 had a number assigned to them.


If your going to sponanteously create facts, atleast word said facts, in such a way that you don't contradict yourself. Beyond that, the Spartan identifies himself as 320, higher than 300.

Let me take what you said, and apply it to a different topic.

15 people were considered to be the Democratic nominee for president. Ten went on to become canidates to become the democratic nominee. One went on to become the nominee.

See whats wrong?

Canidate = Someone considered for promotion, a position, etc.

This is a weak attempt, to explain away the higher call sign. By throwing something on top of what we know, that would serve no purpose, other than explaining something away. If that was the case, why wouldn't Bungie just make the call signs lower than 150? Why go back in time, and retrocon the original Spartan II program, just so Spartans can have a higher call sign? It makes no sense. Especially when every call sign for Spartans have fallen below 150 thus far. Why in a single reveal trailer, have two characters that are exeptions to a rule that hasn't been broken, for 8 years?

There were 150 canidates, and the top 50% were conscripted. There weren't 320+ canidates, there were 150 children found that were believed to be capable of becoming Spartan IIs. Half of them were conscripted.

The Spartan III program identified genetic markers, pinpointing possible Spartan III canidates. The Spartan II program was far less efficient. And you expect me to believe, Gamma company only found 10 or less, more canidates then the original SP- II program? Um no. Sorry, that doesn't sound reasonable to me.

[Edited on 08.05.2009 6:22 PM PDT]

  • 08.05.2009 6:17 PM PDT


b]Posted by:[/b] Brian the RULER

If your going to sponanteously create facts, atleast word said facts, in such a way that you don't contradict yourself. Beyond that, the Spartan identifies himself as 320, higher than 300.




since when was there mention of a spartan identifying as 320... we were talkign about a 259..

  • 08.05.2009 6:23 PM PDT

Posted by: ajw34307
Yes, but his number is 259. He doesn't say: "This is Sierra 2, 59." he clearly states it without a pause.
Agreed. He would say this is Sierra two, Fifty-nine if he was actually a Class 2 spartan.

  • 08.05.2009 7:03 PM PDT

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