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Posted by; ghostvirus
This apple is brown, and rotten. This orange on the other hand, is in relatively average shape. So the orange is definitely the preferable option. ----------You can't compare apples and oranges. You're so dumb.
Posted by: MasterJh
Posted by: TweakX
Am I the only one who can't find this PROOF of a second class of Spartan II's being made because everything I have read states that Master Chiefs class is the only class of Spartan IIs
I think CPO Mendez said he was going off to train a new batch but then we find out that it was cancelled...The "cancellation" could be a cover up for a more secretive batch of Spartans but we might never know
A second class of Spartan IIs was in the planning stage. Mljonir was consuming large parts of the budget. And Hasely couldn't gather enough canidates. So it was put on hold. Then the Spartan III project started up, Mendez move on to that. And its sorta assumed it was cancelled, and never regained steam.
I however imagine, ONI would of reinvested in the project. Especially after all members of alpha team , died in combat less than a year after they were made operational. Sure they had several successful missions, but they didn't have any staying power. The innovations in the selection proccess for the SP-III program, could of been repurposed for a second class of Spartan IIs.
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Beyond all that. There is some evidence for a second class of Spartan IIs. There are inconsistencies regarding the number of Spartan IIs at Reach. "About two dozen Spartan IIs" attended the debriefing with Hasely, all of remaining Spartan IIs, other than gray team (which had three members) according to Hasely. Halo Wars states 25 out of the 28 surviving original spartan IIs came to Reach for the debriefing.
However in FoR its later stated, 3 Spartan IIs remained in space over Reach (James, Masterchief, and Linda), and 27 other Spartan IIs as part of red team went down to the surface of Reach. Thats a total of 30 Spartan IIs. Finally, if you take the original 33 conscripted Spartan IIs, and subtract every spartan II that died before Reach was attacked. You get twenty two. If there was only one class of Spartan IIs, there should only be 22 spartans alive by the time Reach is attacked.
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So let me explicitly point out the problems.
Going by Halo Wars and FS, there are six more Spartan IIs operational just before the Fall of Reach, then whats possible. If the six spartans in Halo Wars don't make it back to safety, then there should only be 16 spartan IIs alive. Which means there are between 6-12 more Spartan IIs at the debriefing then whats possible. Depending on weither the six in Halo Wars survive.
Going by Halo Wars, and FoR, and contrasting it with FS and later in FoR, there are five additional Spartan IIs that fought on Reach. That weren't at the debriefing despite Hasely saying, all Spartan IIs attended the debriefing other than gray team. The five Spartan IIs in the banner?
That means, there are a total of 11-17 Spartan IIs at Reach that CAN"T exist, without a class 2 of Spartan IIs. I mean, if you calculate gray team, and all of the Spartans recorded as being on Reach (in FoR, and FS) you get 33. That means, there are only two explanations. No Spartans died before Reach. And all KIAs, MIAs, WIAs, etc were all coverups. And then ONI in its infinite wisdom, reintergrated these Spartans who were listed as KIA, MIA and WIA into the spartan II program. And they served along side their former Spartan IIs, and nobody remarked; " WTF, Samuel your supposed to be dead."
Beyond that, the fact these Spartan IIs have call signs higher than 150, again speaks for itself.
Weither intentional, or unintentional, too many spartan IIs exist in Halo canon, without a second class of Spartan IIs. It was either intentional discrepencies, to hint at a second class of Spartan IIs. Or its serious holes in the canon, that only have a few possible solutions. The easiest solution, that also gives the canon the most room to grow in the future, is the creation of a second class of Spartan IIs.
[Edited on 08.05.2009 5:56 PM PDT]