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Subject: Halo Reach MLG ?
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just leave mlg out man it ruins the game

  • 06.03.2009 4:26 AM PDT
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Everyone's always thinking about MLG... So far, I just hope that it will be really awesome!

  • 06.03.2009 4:52 AM PDT

Posted by: x Lord Revan x
-Gaming is clearly becoming something more for casual play, rather than for hardcore fans.
-High end graphics are being neglected and fast paced gameplay is being ignored in today's economy
-but for big companies, the choice is clear: make a game that is safe rather than making something more experimental.


dont really know a bout a couple points in your thread - the Wii is for casual play the xbox 360 and ps3 are and will always be aimed at the gamer , project natal and ps3 new eye toy thing are just ways of stealing some customers from nintendo.

I own both an xbox and a wii (well the wii is my mum's i actually baught my xbox) when i want to play a proper game like halo i play the xbox if i want to have a different type of fun swinging my arms around (casual gamer) then i play the wii. So there isnt a massive casual gamer fan bas on the 360 for this reason. and seeing as bungie will only make halo games on 360 they will not make it a more casual game.

i very much doubt Halo:Reach is going to become more casual to get more customers (this is the impression i got from your post) the amount of copies the halo franchise has sold why would they change it to become more casual they would lose a big fan base that comes from MLG.

*note i said more casual not "make it a casual game"

*IT IS TOO EARLY TO SAY WHETHER MLG WILL USE REACH - this is a pretty stupid thread but has invoked some decent posts.

*disclaimer: i may have completely misunderstood your thread Lord Revan

[Edited on 06.03.2009 5:38 AM PDT]

  • 06.03.2009 5:35 AM PDT

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I pray there isn't. MLG ruined the Halo 3 community. Now everyone is all about being MLG pro, and four-shotting, no-scoping, and how MLG is so much better than Halo 3. In fact, MLG is just a watered down version of Halo stripped to the bare minimum. I despise what it did to the community, It turned everybody into a bunch of iRippin Second Accounters with egos and trying to expand their e-dick. I HATE MLG.

  • 06.03.2009 5:49 AM PDT

Lolwhut?

i have absolutely no problem with MLG. i even enjoy the odd few MLG games if i feel a bit competitive. i have no doubt that it ISNT ruining the halo 3 MP experience. sure there are more boosters now than before the MLG playlist but they generally stick to the Hardcore playlists and well, its called hardcore for a reason. im a pretty competent brigadier grade 2 but i struggle at level 30+ MLG. it isnt because of the boosters. its because the general standard of play is higher; even normal playlists get a bit hairy past 40.

and in response to Mcaleer X, i think halo can be a social game, take grifball for example, personally I've never been 4 shotted by a pro in my experience of it, its just a load of fun.

[Edited on 06.03.2009 7:11 AM PDT]

  • 06.03.2009 7:10 AM PDT
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Hopefully I myself enjoy MLG but I hate HATEEEE the people who try to tell me how to play (MLG 43) like *Dont pick up sniper* *What are you doing get back!* GGRR if MLG is reborned lets make it a little more relaxed :P

  • 06.03.2009 7:21 AM PDT

Posted by: Snip3 vs BR
Is It going to be MLG in REACH ?
First of all, if it is an FPS that plays similar to the Halo Trilogy then I'm sure MLG will consider pickin it up. Second of all, why do you care? You barely play MLG on the game we have right now.

  • 06.03.2009 7:21 AM PDT
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Posted by: xIxINinjaIxIx
Hopefully I myself enjoy MLG but I hate HATEEEE the people who try to tell me how to play (MLG 43) like *Dont pick up sniper* *What are you doing get back!* GGRR if MLG is reborned lets make it a little more relaxed :P

  • 06.03.2009 7:23 AM PDT
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they will probley keep all the popular game types. as long as theres BTB ill buy the game

  • 06.03.2009 7:26 AM PDT

Posted by: o DeathCubeK o
I pray there isn't. MLG ruined the Halo 3 community. Now everyone is all about being MLG pro, and four-shotting, no-scoping, and how MLG is so much better than Halo 3. In fact, MLG is just a watered down version of Halo stripped to the bare minimum. I despise what it did to the community, It turned everybody into a bunch of iRippin Second Accounters with egos and trying to expand their e-dick. I HATE MLG.
MLG is basically considered a sport by many as of 08. And as other sports, most people that are good at it, will want to do it for a living. There is absolutely nothing wrong with kids wanting to be MLG Pros when they're older. Same thing for MLB, NFL, and NBA.

There is absolutely nothing wrong, or bad about competitive gaming.

  • 06.03.2009 7:29 AM PDT

What?

Even if mlg happens to halo reach, why do any of you care?

If you are for mlg sure go ahead and enjoy playing/watching it. If you are against mlg you don't need to get up in arms.

For some reason half you idiots like to acosiate cheaters with mlg being in halo.

it doesn't work like that find another way, a non-retarded way to object to something happening to a game you like.

Posted by: mount420
Ugh, i really dont care, as long as they dont infect mm like in H3.


Really? besides the obvious mlg playlist which affects you in no way whatsoever UNLESS you play in it... how does mlg infect MM in Halo 3.


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  • 06.03.2009 8:09 AM PDT

NO!

  • 06.03.2009 8:10 AM PDT

I hope not....

Look what it did to the community, we have a bunch of people with huge egos that think theyre the best just because they play in the MLG playlist. I just hate it when people say crap like this, "Wow you guys suck, why cant you stop using the ar and get some skill to 4 shot?"

It brings in people with huge egos.

I know theres probobly some good people that play it, but i just dont want Halo: Reach to be overwhelmed by people that think their skilled because they play a certain playlist.

And its a year before the games released, we havnt even seen gameplay footage, so how do we even know MLG will even want to be in the game?

  • 06.03.2009 8:21 AM PDT

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Nice post by Lord Raven, I tend to agree with most of what he says regarding corporation structure and aims...but gaming, to me.isn't any more competetive then it ever has been. MLG is a mere stage to channel the competetive nature through..

Back in the days of the Mega Drive / Nes / Neo Geo / Jamma Boards etc the games were rock hard, remember Alex Kidd in the Enchanted Castle???! we just don't get them anymore...so if companies want to tweak games to the more competitive edge to cater for a certain cross section of the gaming pool, then so be it

Its the fact that games themselves are moving towards the recharging health side style games, I would agree with that totally. I remember the heavy challenges the earlier games used to present, compared to today's offerings. Look at Halo CE and the medpak system, now we have recharging health (almost)...

To summarise its the games that are becoming less of a challenge rather than the gamers not wanting a challenge. Thankfully MLG is there to cater for people who want a more upfront bash at gaming.

Also I would like to make clear that I have no problem with MLG nor its efforts to give a new edge / image to gaming or competitive gaming, but to say that the casual market has grown to an extent where its overtaking the "normal" side of gaming is wrong..its the games, not the people

But it may only be a matter of time before you have MLG variants of Hannah Montana Super Shopping on the Wii

  • 06.03.2009 8:32 AM PDT

Posted by: DuelTerror
I hope not....

Look what it did to the community, we have a bunch of people with huge egos that think theyre the best just because they play in the MLG playlist. I just hate it when people say crap like this, "Wow you guys suck, why cant you stop using the ar and get some skill to 4 shot?"

It brings in people with huge egos.

I know theres probobly some good people that play it, but i just dont want Halo: Reach to be overwhelmed by people that think their skilled because they play a certain playlist.

And its a year before the games released, we havnt even seen gameplay footage, so how do we even know MLG will even want to be in the game?


Do you really think that there is only trash talk in Halo 3 because it's an MLG Pro Circuit title? Have you ever played any other game online?

If MLG didn't use Halo 3, would no one think that the BR takes more skill than the AR? Would everyone hold hands and sing koombaya around a fusion core?

Don't blame MLG for the competitiveness that comes with any decent game. If you hop on any game on Xbox Live, you're going to have players doing everything you mentioned above. If anything, MLG helps by providing an applicable means of determining which players are better: a live competition with rules and regulations; A professional circuit.

  • 06.03.2009 8:34 AM PDT

Posted by: jaketh132

and in response to Mcaleer X, i think halo can be a social game, take grifball for example, personally I've never been 4 shotted by a pro in my experience of it, its just a load of fun.


ok fair enough grifball and living dead is social gaming

but halo 3 as a whole is aimed at gamers (not necessarily MLG gamers) not casual gamers (wii customers) was what i was trying to say

  • 06.03.2009 8:56 AM PDT
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wow i didn't know there were so many bad kids on bungie.net...

  • 06.03.2009 9:06 AM PDT

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Posted by: Renunciar
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I pray there isn't. MLG ruined the Halo 3 community. Now everyone is all about being MLG pro, and four-shotting, no-scoping, and how MLG is so much better than Halo 3. In fact, MLG is just a watered down version of Halo stripped to the bare minimum. I despise what it did to the community, It turned everybody into a bunch of iRippin Second Accounters with egos and trying to expand their e-dick. I HATE MLG.
MLG is basically considered a sport by many as of 08. And as other sports, most people that are good at it, will want to do it for a living. There is absolutely nothing wrong with kids wanting to be MLG Pros when they're older. Same thing for MLB, NFL, and NBA.

There is absolutely nothing wrong, or bad about competitive gaming.


Woooooooosh! Went wayyyyyyyy over your head.

There is a huge difference between the community of Halo 2 at its prime and Halo 3 at its prime. If you played Halo 2 at all you'd know that there were hardly any rude people with huge egos. It was cool to have a girl on your team, and now women just get hated on by pubescent teens who think it's cool to hide behind a television screen and ridicule people. People use to be so damn nice before everyone got into MLG and started being an egotistical ass to everyone. I too call it a sport, but it's done nothing but fuel egos since it was implemented into matchmaking.

  • 06.03.2009 9:20 AM PDT
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Halo 2 good? Dude over half the people on there talked trash and cheated but it was still amazing. Honestly who cares about MLG for Halo: Reach the story is more important. That's biased, I know.

  • 06.03.2009 9:24 AM PDT

Posted by: o DeathCubeK o
Posted by: Renunciar
Posted by: o DeathCubeK o
I pray there isn't. MLG ruined the Halo 3 community. Now everyone is all about being MLG pro, and four-shotting, no-scoping, and how MLG is so much better than Halo 3. In fact, MLG is just a watered down version of Halo stripped to the bare minimum. I despise what it did to the community, It turned everybody into a bunch of iRippin Second Accounters with egos and trying to expand their e-dick. I HATE MLG.
MLG is basically considered a sport by many as of 08. And as other sports, most people that are good at it, will want to do it for a living. There is absolutely nothing wrong with kids wanting to be MLG Pros when they're older. Same thing for MLB, NFL, and NBA.

There is absolutely nothing wrong, or bad about competitive gaming.


Woooooooosh! Went wayyyyyyyy over your head.

There is a huge difference between the community of Halo 2 at its prime and Halo 3 at its prime. If you played Halo 2 at all you'd know that there were hardly any rude people with huge egos. It was cool to have a girl on your team, and now women just get hated on by pubescent teens who think it's cool to hide behind a television screen and ridicule people. People use to be so damn nice before everyone got into MLG and started being an egotistical ass to everyone. I too call it a sport, but it's done nothing but fuel egos since it was implemented into matchmaking.
Wrong. Kids these days are so immature towards other people and women because of parents. My mom and dad beat the living -blam!- out of me for the smallest thing. Parents don't do that anymore, thus kids are not being punished for wrongdoings. I played Halo 2 for 3 years and it was no different people-wise than Halo 3. I sucked horribly back then, and got ridiculed so much.

Your saying that the Bungie community has been ruined by MLG. If MLG was the cause, then how come the MLG community is nice, and decent? I see nothing, but respect and compassion on the MLG forums. Little kids and weird nerds on Bnet chose to be angry -blam!-s by their own choice, not because of MLG. Get that through your head.

  • 06.03.2009 9:30 AM PDT

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I'll concur that parents play a role in it. I'm just saying that the MLG community has set a bar. If you are below it than you are ridiculed non-stop. I've had friends that are girls cry because some people (even my age of 20) give her hell because she's not the best player, or becaue she doesn't have i, rippin, xx's, iTz, MLG in her name, or a second accounter. I'm just saying it's started a trend that has made the community worse.

  • 06.03.2009 9:35 AM PDT

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Posted by: x Lord Revan x
-Gaming is clearly becoming something more for casual play, rather than for hardcore fans.
-High end graphics are being neglected and fast paced gameplay is being ignored in today's economy
-but for big companies, the choice is clear: make a game that is safe rather than making something more experimental.


dont really know a bout a couple points in your thread - the Wii is for casual play the xbox 360 and ps3 are and will always be aimed at the gamer , project natal and ps3 new eye toy thing are just ways of stealing some customers from nintendo.

I own both an xbox and a wii (well the wii is my mum's i actually baught my xbox) when i want to play a proper game like halo i play the xbox if i want to have a different type of fun swinging my arms around (casual gamer) then i play the wii. So there isnt a massive casual gamer fan bas on the 360 for this reason. and seeing as bungie will only make halo games on 360 they will not make it a more casual game.

i very much doubt Halo:Reach is going to become more casual to get more customers (this is the impression i got from your post) the amount of copies the halo franchise has sold why would they change it to become more casual they would lose a big fan base that comes from MLG.

*note i said more casual not "make it a casual game"

*IT IS TOO EARLY TO SAY WHETHER MLG WILL USE REACH - this is a pretty stupid thread but has invoked some decent posts.

*disclaimer: i may have completely misunderstood your thread Lord Revan


You got the jist of my post but not everything. What I meant by gaming becoming more geared towards the casual gamer, is exactly what I meant. The Wii is outselling the Xbox 360 and PS3 by a large sum. An incredibly large sum to be blatantly honest. Microsoft and Sony both are now making a gimmick remote similar to the wii's peripherals in an attempt to gain a wider audience. That there demonstrates how all three companies now are attempting to take gaming more mainstream to acquire a wider audience, one thats comprised of casual gamers and hardcore gamers. After all, even the wii has some hardcore gamers with brawl lovers out there and zelda fans, etc.

Anyway, Halo 3 demonstrated, as has Gears of War 2, a move from a Fast Paced game where one man can, if good enough, kill an entire team, to a more relaxed paced game where teamwork is necessary in order to kill efficiently. The skill gap between players has been reduced allowing those who dont play the game as often to kill those who play it 24/7 and are the best of the best. Its the logical choice for game companies as it is a safe thing to do. It also keeps more casual players playing the game longer since they wont get frustrated as quickly and thereby it will potentially increase DLC sales.

MLG, while it is a company attempting to make gaming something of a sport, is at its core attempting to give games the choice between a slowed down more casual play or a faster paced, older style hardcore game. Whether you like MLG or not, it is beneficial to the community and is at the very least pushing game companies to develop games that have the ability to tweak settings, like in Halo 3, to make the game more competitive.

It sadly has spawned a subculture that seems to think themselves elitists. It is a depressing side effect but elitists would exist anyway and have since the creation of gaming. Halo 2 had a ton of jerks, a lot more cheating, and a bunch of people who attempted to wield their rank as a sign of their skill. Its got everything to do with symbolic interactionism. The fact that it exists even on the internet is amazing in terms of human sociology.

Basically, there are positives and negatives to MLG, but please dont bash it. Respect what it is attempting to do for the industry and overlook those who aren't affiliated with it at all but worship it. They do not represent the company itself.

  • 06.03.2009 9:36 AM PDT

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