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Subject: Halo Reach MLG ?

Armor Lock isn't overpowered. You just suck at Reach :)

Reach isn't bad, you're just a BK :)

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Well, IMO, I hope MLG continues with their events into Reach. (if reach is anything near how the halo games have played so far)

I for one, enjoy to watch MLG teams battle it out on halo. I will admit however, that I despise playing the MLG playlist itself. I know it may seem stupid, but it just seems to make me happy, watching the gaming community do its own 'events' as sports do with theirs. If MLG ever became so big, as to get their own channel set up on TV networks, I would deffinatly keep that channel on constantly. (im talking about watching people play games, not people BAAAAWWW over games like G4 and others do)

  • 06.19.2009 11:41 PM PDT
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I hope MLG don't invade it, I hate MLG, they ruin every thing. Saddly they will undoubtably invade Reach, as they did with Halo 2 and Halo 3

  • 06.19.2009 11:42 PM PDT
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Posted by: ArchedThunder
I hope MLG don't invade it, I hate MLG, they ruin every thing. Saddly they will undoubtably invade Reach, as they did with Halo 2 and Halo 3

MLG and Halo have always had a coinciding friendship.

  • 06.20.2009 12:18 AM PDT
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Posted by: ArchedThunder
I hope MLG don't invade it, I hate MLG, they ruin every thing. Saddly they will undoubtably invade Reach, as they did with Halo 2 and Halo 3

MLG and Halo have always had a coinciding friendship.

its not a friend ship, MLG is a parasite.

  • 06.20.2009 12:20 AM PDT
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Posted by: ArchedThunder
Posted by: crefster
Posted by: ArchedThunder
I hope MLG don't invade it, I hate MLG, they ruin every thing. Saddly they will undoubtably invade Reach, as they did with Halo 2 and Halo 3

MLG and Halo have always had a coinciding friendship.

its not a friend ship, MLG is a parasite.

How much attention has Halo brought to MLG and how much attention has MLG brought to Halo.

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Posted by: ArchedThunder
Posted by: crefster
Posted by: ArchedThunder
I hope MLG don't invade it, I hate MLG, they ruin every thing. Saddly they will undoubtably invade Reach, as they did with Halo 2 and Halo 3

MLG and Halo have always had a coinciding friendship.

its not a friend ship, MLG is a parasite.


Care to elaborate at all?

  • 06.20.2009 2:55 AM PDT
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If MLG chooses to put this in there circut i think you guys should be thinking more about GOD I HOPE THIS GAME ROCKS -blam!-. Multiplayer is fun and being competitive is really understandable but when is the last time you played a game literally just to hear its story. I think you should give that the chance first before worrying about MLG.

As for MLG im sure it will make its desion fast.

  • 06.20.2009 3:57 AM PDT

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Omg... we better not have AR weapon starts in Reach, the AR is horrible you spawn with it then your set. You dont need any other weapon you just Spray Spray Spray then press B and beat down and so on...

[Edited on 06.20.2009 4:13 AM PDT]

  • 06.20.2009 4:13 AM PDT

Nice Post * x Lord Revan x! I agree completely. I am postive that REACH will definetly become a game used by MLG. Has bungie made a bad halo game yet? (touch wood)

[Edited on 06.20.2009 4:16 AM PDT]

  • 06.20.2009 4:15 AM PDT
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Posted by: hogbat
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There better not be.

There better be.


There better not be.

  • 06.20.2009 4:40 AM PDT

I hope not. Look what happened to the community with mlg:


"Stupid noob! Use a BR!"
Why should I?

"It takes more skill than a -blam- AR!"
Yeah, right. Whatever you say.

"you're just a stupid bk (or whatever other pathetice thing they came up with)"
Good for you.

"Noob get off Halo. You suck -blam-"
Whatever, your just ignorant.

"Well I did your mom last night!"
Well you have a bad taste in women.

"You are ju-MUTE-"
Ahh. Much better.


For some reason I have never had any interaction like this in any other game I have ever played. I wonder why....


Oh yeah, for those of you who absolutely adore the BR, read this:

Have you noticed how many weapons are fully automatic? Have you noticed how people want weapons that are effective killing machines? Fully automatic weapons ARE better than burst weapons. If you had to choose between a burst or a full auto, which one would you choose? I know I would go full auto.

The only reason why the BR is used is because it is an over powered, unbalanced weapon that can only be beaten by a sniper or a rocket launcher

For those of you who do not think it is overpowered, please, consider this:

If you happen to have decent aim, don't you normally win most gun fights when your opponent has an automatic?

for those of you who think it takes skill:

It takes no more skill that the assualt rifle. It just takes a different kind of skill.

[Edited on 06.20.2009 7:35 AM PDT]

  • 06.20.2009 7:22 AM PDT
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One major flaw would you rather have an acurate medium to long range gun or a very unacurate short to holy -blam!- I actually killed him range.Usually in a real war you are never very close to your enemy so I would pick long range.
Ill break it down further
Br>AR

  • 06.20.2009 8:53 AM PDT

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  • 06.20.2009 8:56 AM PDT

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Posted by: x Lord Revan x
Just look at Wii sales and see how they are through the roof.

Not quite, the Wii came out, and everyone bought it cause of the new stuff. Then when the Novelty wore off the console crashed and burned. It's made slim to no sales in nearly a year. (Considering the only decent games on it are smash bros, metroid prime, zelda, and mario galaxy)

But anyway on-topic. So long as the whole game isnt made specifically for MLG, I will be happy. MLG can stay what it is, a tournament I dont have to play in, and a playlist I can ignore. (They are a ripoff of the Cybergames anyway, Cybergames are INTERNATIONAL, MLG is American)

  • 06.20.2009 9:01 AM PDT

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Just look at Wii sales and see how they are through the roof.

Not quite, the Wii came out, and everyone bought it cause of the new stuff. Then when the Novelty wore off the console crashed and burned. It's made slim to no sales in nearly a year. (Considering the only decent games on it are smash bros, metroid prime, zelda, and mario galaxy)

But anyway on-topic. So long as the whole game isnt made specifically for MLG, I will be happy. MLG can stay what it is, a tournament I dont have to play in, and a playlist I can ignore. (They are a ripoff of the Cybergames anyway, Cybergames are INTERNATIONAL, MLG is American)


World Cyber Games ripped off their settings from MLG. MLG came out with the H3 settings way before them and all they did was make it so there are no objective gametypes and change slayer from a win at 50 gametype to a play for 15 minutes gametype. Also, the team that won WCG is an MLG team that comes in like 8th place all the time and the rest of the teams do mediocre as compared to other teams that go to MLG. Their tourneys are a joke, half of it goes down online and they don't let people under 17 or 18 play in them. They don't even support H3 as a game anymore.

  • 06.20.2009 9:11 AM PDT

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I feel your pain, man. Every day I watch good threads sink to the back pages of this forum in favor of spam, trolling, and crap topics.

That is up to MLG if they don't think it would work well then they wont do it, but since it is a FPS I can't see MLG not picking it up.

  • 06.20.2009 9:21 AM PDT

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Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
Posted by: x Lord Revan x
Just look at Wii sales and see how they are through the roof.

Not quite, the Wii came out, and everyone bought it cause of the new stuff. Then when the Novelty wore off the console crashed and burned. It's made slim to no sales in nearly a year. (Considering the only decent games on it are smash bros, metroid prime, zelda, and mario galaxy)

But anyway on-topic. So long as the whole game isnt made specifically for MLG, I will be happy. MLG can stay what it is, a tournament I dont have to play in, and a playlist I can ignore. (They are a ripoff of the Cybergames anyway, Cybergames are INTERNATIONAL, MLG is American)


Well, it is true that the novelty of the motion controller has started to wear out. That isn't my argument however. The Wii itself is still primarily dominating in sales (source). They have sold over 50 million Wii's world wide whereas only 23 million PS3's and only 30 million Xbox 360s have sold world wide.

Their sales in April however did demonstrate that their power is starting to falter, but the Xbox 360 and the PS3 have a lot of catching up to do. Xbox 360 could do quite well considering it is now only 200 dollars in comparison to the Wii which remains around 250. However, the Wii itself, since launch, has become cheaper to produce. According to Koya Tabata of Credit Suisse, in a recent note to clients, "the cost to Nintendo of producing a Wii has fallen by about 45 per cent since its launch(source)." That would allow a price cut or a lower priced model to be introduced into the market and bolster sales.

Still, the Wii is seeing tremendous sales when game launches, popular game launches that is, occur. With Super Mario Galaxy 2, a new Legend of Zelda in the works, two new Metroid Games in the works (although only one is really known about as of now: the collaborative effort between Team Ninja and Nintendo to produce Metroid: Other M), sales for the Wii won't be dropping any time soon, at least not significantly. It is still dominating the industry.

Hence why Microsoft and Sony both are retaliating with new motion controls to further develop the concept of more interactive gaming. Both are obviously gimmicks, but they may be more involving. Although, Nintendo too has the Wii Motion plus releasing. All three companies are aware of the growing casual market who desires to use their games for more entertaining purposes.

The Wii demonstrates that graphics and difficult, high end, hardcore games aren't necessary to sell a console. Why spend millions on high end graphics, a ton of workers, a big budget high tech game, when you can produce something more interactive and reap the same sales figures?

Don't get me wrong though. The hardcore gaming industry is still kicking. Each console still has sales through the roof for their hardcore games. They make a ton of money there, however, if you not how games have changed, you'll note that they have become easier to play. The Hardcore games themselves aren't as hardcore anymore. Its as simple as noting the difference between coin op classics that were difficult enough to get you killed a bunch and force you to keep throwing in another quarter to continue and todays games that you sit on your couch and play continuously without dying, or even if you do die, you get to continue from a saved checkpoint.

That very distinction, the ability of games to be beaten by any gamer of any age due to different difficulties, recharging health, and checkpoints demonstrates a desire to (A) appeal to more people and (B) keep them playing through to the end and after wards and (C) the desire not to piss them off through frustration. Gamers come in all sorts. There are good and bad players. Games nowadays have to be easy enough for bad gamers to still beat them and offer at least a mild challenge to the good gamers. The only thing to note is how much is being given to the casual "bad" gamer who isnt necessarily capable of running through, lets say, Halo 3 on Legendary. They are getting a lot of attention since games are becoming more mainstream and acceptable.

The sales figures alone on all three consoles together represent that a lot of the world is gaming nowadays. Looking back, there werent that many sales for any other generation. Nailing the market that never used to play games or only casually enjoyed them at a friends house is the key to making more sales. Therefore, even if a game is appealing more to the hardcore fanbase, it will make some minor concessions to allow for casual gamers to still enjoy and play the game.

Halo 3 is a prime example. It offers a multitude of difficulties and offers an online play with a ranking system. Having an easy difficulty instead of just normal, hard, legendary, demonstrates that they are making available a story experience that is aimed for poor players. The Assault rifle itself is an aim at making not only a balanced weapon, but a weapon thats easy to use for players. It allows the whole "pray and spray" methodology. It has a large reticule, a lot of autoaim, and it doesnt require pumping like the battle rifle. While I may get flamed for making such a comment, the differences between using the Battle Rifle and using the Assault rifle are apparent even if they are minor. The Battle Rifle takes just a tiny bit more ability to use due to the need to pump the trigger, aim a smaller reticule, and learn to counteract a spread. Its extremely minimal, but it is mathematically more difficult.

Just note some of the other changes in games over the years that note a small nod to the less hardcore community. Will Halo:Reach be the same? Who knows. Perhaps it will be the hardest game of the Halo games and take a ton of skill. Maybe it will depart from the trend started with Halo 2 and Halo 3 towards developing a game that people of all skill levels can play together. Personally, I doubt it will.

However, if it does, it will surely be an MLG game. If not, it will probably open up options that allow it to become more challenging and open it up for MLG play. Who knows at this point.

Personally, I hope they do the latter. It is important to open up a game to allow for a more casual base to play it as well as a more hardcore base. It makes gaming more integral in everyday life and gives people something to do when they get together. However, I personally hope, that they also include enough options (preferably more than halo 3 had) to develop a more intense mode of play garnered for the Hardcore crowd. Allow the skill gap to be a bit more intense.

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Posted by: hogbat
I hope not ...

Fix'd

  • 06.20.2009 1:16 PM PDT
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Without a large hardcore gaming community the next Halo game would have been Lego Halo.

  • 06.20.2009 1:25 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sp4rt4n119
Thank you sir, that was an epic rendition of this topic.


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and how!

MLG is a very over-hyped "organization" of blockheads that think they are hardcore because they are better than most at a game.

Games are fun. Competition is fun when paired with variety.

A game with no variety isn't fun, and hence leaves only competition.

[If you never picked up on this, MLG has no variety. You're either using a BR, a Rocket Launcher, or a Mauler.]

  • 06.20.2009 1:32 PM PDT

Posted by: x MibZ x
MLG is a very over-hyped "organization" of blockheads that think they are hardcore because they are better than most at a game.

Games are fun. Competition is fun when paired with variety.

A game with no variety isn't fun, and hence leaves only competition.

[If you never picked up on this, MLG has no variety. You're either using a BR, a Rocket Launcher, or a Mauler.]


The fans of MLG aren't blockheads, and they don't think they are better than most at the game, have a look on their forums, there are way less trolls on those forums, and post a topic about getting help on there and you will get it.

MLG has just as much variety as team slayer, team snipers is something that has no variety.

It is harder IMO to rank up in MLG, besides boosters quitting, which have to factor into at least a quarter of my losses, but get past the quitting and the games are fun and competitive. Also I'd say the trueskill system works in MLG better than other playlist, for a while I struggled getting only a 30 something in the playlist as compared to 45's in lw's and ts, having some buddies critique my gameplay I realised how bad of a team player I am, yet I could get 45 in ts with randoms and no mic/ teamwork.

As a result of playing MLG, my two most played playlist LW's and TS aren't even fun to me anymore, and I am someone who didn't play MLG at all due to the perceptions people gave it until about 3 months ago I started doing both mlg matchmaking and customs.

My halo goal now is to hit a 35 then a 40, and not to brag because who brags about a 35 or a 40 in any playlist lol.

  • 06.20.2009 1:56 PM PDT

please no, i no hater of MLG, but just want a new multiplayer experience, then the one we know now. So yeah New MLG dont mind, not the ones now. multiplayer should change to maybe 32 players.

  • 06.20.2009 2:02 PM PDT

also dont like MLG playlist, nothing to do with the people i just like Bungie original map layouts thats all.

  • 06.20.2009 2:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: AMidgetAndAClub
There is speculation that this game is going to be geared towards the competitive community. I'm not going to hold my breath though.
There could just as easily be speculation that this game is going to be geared towards elephants and monkeys. Such speculation from the elephant and monkey community is meaningless.

  • 06.20.2009 2:14 PM PDT

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