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Subject: Brute Plasma Rifle

Poll: THE BRUTE PLASMA RIFLE IS BACK! Should it be?  [closed]
Yes, and it should replace the Spiker.:  13%
(14 Votes)
Yes, and it should co-exist with the Spiker.:  85%
(91 Votes)
No, and the Spiker should be the only Brute gun.:  1%
(1 Votes)
No, and the Spiker should be gone as well.:  1%
(1 Votes)
Total Votes: 107

This ODST screenshot shows a Brute wielding a Brute Plasma Rifle.

While I could understand a continuity argument, the same Brutes that had Brute plasma rifles in Halo 2 and little to no armor now have shields and armor, so it's a little off no matter how you look at it.

I thought it was kind of funny that Bungie was bringing back one of the most controversial weapons from Halo 2. What do you guys think?

  • 06.02.2009 11:49 AM PDT

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Yeah, it was pretty useful, and it fits in with the timeline.

  • 06.02.2009 11:50 AM PDT
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why the hell not

  • 06.02.2009 11:52 AM PDT

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  • 06.02.2009 11:53 AM PDT
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Yea co-exist. The Brute PR was pretty cool back in H2. I liked it, I dont know that it was that much more effective but it felt that way.

  • 06.02.2009 11:53 AM PDT

Posted by: VEF214
and it should co-exist with the Spiker.


No, it shouldn't.

The spiker is merely a retooling of the brute plasma rifle to fill the role of the standard brute infantry weapon for Halo 3. If you have one, you can't have the other because in the campaign they fill the exact same niche of the specialized brute dualie.

  • 06.02.2009 11:54 AM PDT

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  • 06.02.2009 11:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: VEF214
and it should co-exist with the Spiker.


No, it shouldn't.

The spiker is merely a retooling of the brute plasma rifle to fill the role of the standard brute infantry weapon for Halo 3. If you have one, you can't have the other because in the campaign they fill the exact same niche of the specialized brute dualie.


That's not entirely true. Plasma is good against weapons while spikes are good against flesh. In reality though, they don't need to exist together (in your defense). The Spiker has the same RoF as the Brute Plasma Rifle and even has red plasma-like projectiles. I've taken comparision screenshots of plasma lined up with spikes. Aside from color, they look identical.

The only way I can see the Brute Plasma Rifle being implemented into Halo 3: ODST is if they removed the Elite Plasma Rifle. Otherwise, we'll have two weapons that serve the exact same purpose.

  • 06.02.2009 12:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: Tyrant122312
The Spiker has the same RoF as the Brute Plasma Rifle and even has red plasma-like projectiles.

Rate of Fire, for those not gun-savvy...

  • 06.02.2009 12:06 PM PDT

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I am glad that the Brute PR is back, it makes sense that they brought it back from its inexplicable absence from H3.

  • 06.02.2009 12:07 PM PDT

Sorry, how was it controversial?

  • 06.02.2009 12:08 PM PDT

I'll never be able to dual wield my Spiker and Brute PR.

  • 06.02.2009 12:09 PM PDT

Posted by: Tyrant122312
Posted by: Matu Flp Krawfe
Posted by: VEF214
and it should co-exist with the Spiker.


No, it shouldn't.

The spiker is merely a retooling of the brute plasma rifle to fill the role of the standard brute infantry weapon for Halo 3. If you have one, you can't have the other because in the campaign they fill the exact same niche of the specialized brute dualie.


That's not entirely true. Plasma is good against weapons while spikes are good against flesh. In reality though, they don't need to exist together (in your defense). The Spiker has the same RoF as the Brute Plasma Rifle and even has red plasma-like projectiles. I've taken comparision screenshots of plasma lined up with spikes. Aside from color, they look identical.

The only way I can see the Brute Plasma Rifle being implemented into Halo 3: ODST is if they removed the Elite Plasma Rifle. Otherwise, we'll have two weapons that serve the exact same purpose.


I disagree. The Brute PR is RED and shoots RED plasma and the Elite PR is BLUE and shoots BLUE plasma. Those two and a GREEN plasma pistol make battles colorful.

  • 06.02.2009 12:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: Tyrant122312
The Spiker has the same RoF as the Brute Plasma Rifle and even has red plasma-like projectiles.

Rate of Fire, for those not gun-savvy...

it also does not have the same rate of fire as the brute plasma rifle. the brute plasma rifle shoots faster.

  • 06.02.2009 12:14 PM PDT

Posted by: Tyrant122312
That's not entirely true. Plasma is good against weapons while spikes are good against flesh. In reality though, they don't need to exist together (in your defense)..


In an overly analytical context that may be true but when a brute is running after you, guns blazing, the specifics of the damage mitigation fall to the wayside as the fundamental way in which the weapon is used defines the niche of the weapon.

Posted by: Tyrant122312
The only way I can see the Brute Plasma Rifle being implemented into Halo 3: ODST is if they removed the Elite Plasma Rifle.

Well considering that there are no elites in ODST that would be a likely scenario.

[Edited on 06.02.2009 12:17 PM PDT]

  • 06.02.2009 12:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: threefitty250
Yea co-exist. The Brute PR was pretty cool back in H2. I liked it, I dont know that it was that much more effective but it felt that way.

when pitted directly against the blue plasma rifle one on one, the brute PR looses out, but only because its faster rate of fire causes it to overheat faster, resulting in a few less shots being fired. this is just standing and shooting point blank. other than that, it is exactly the same, at least in halo 2 it is. it could fill niches that the original plasma rifle could not though, it was a much more effective dual with the smg when used correctly, for example.

  • 06.02.2009 12:18 PM PDT

I thought it was controversial because a lot of people said the two weapons were basically identical; even if they weren't, one was better for what the Plasma Rifle is always used for.

As in a battle between Brute and Regular Plasma Rifle, Brute always wins, I'm wondering how Bungie will differentiate the Brute Plasma Rifle in Halo 3. Maybe they'll do this by getting rid of the regular one altogether; I'm not sure.

  • 06.02.2009 12:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: Matu Flp Krawfe
Posted by: Tyrant122312
That's not entirely true. Plasma is good against weapons while spikes are good against flesh. In reality though, they don't need to exist together (in your defense)..


In an overly analytical context that may be true but when a brute is running after you, guns blazing, the specifics of the damage mitigation fall to the wayside as the fundamental way in which the weapon is used defines the niche of the weapon.


For campaign, it may not make any difference at all, but for multiplayer, it makes all the difference in the world how a weapon is used.

  • 06.02.2009 12:23 PM PDT

People say its bad that there are elites in swat... I personally enjoy killing hundreds of them

Another reason 2 of the same things cannot co-exist... crysis, look at the koreans and the americans, their nanosuits have the same function but look only a bit different, in color, and their trying to kill eachother so yeah

  • 06.02.2009 12:24 PM PDT

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Brute PR was the ultimate shield drainer. It should definately stay with the Spiker, to add to the depth of dual-wieldable combinations.

It's sort of like using non-attack moves when playing Pokemon online. Offline, they may serve little to no purpose, but in online play, they can tip an entire game in your favor. Just because the Brute PR may be nearly identical to the Spiker does not mean that it should not co-exist with it. Besides, Spiker melee, as you may have forgotten, does a slight amount of extra melee damage. That type of advantage can make the difference between victory and loss in melee battles. Keep the both of them, please Bungie.

[Edited on 06.02.2009 12:28 PM PDT]

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This ODST screenshot shows a Brute wielding a Brute Plasma Rifle.
I thought it was kind of funny that Bungie was bringing back one of the most controversial weapons from Halo 2. What do you guys think?
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  • 06.02.2009 12:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: Adrian Da G
I disagree. The Brute PR is RED and shoots RED plasma and the Elite PR is BLUE and shoots BLUE plasma. Those two and a GREEN plasma pistol make battles colorful.

Lol. I totally agree.

Also, the Elite Plasma Rifle probably won't be in the game at all, and the Brute Plasma Rifle is basically just a different skin. Spikers and BPRs should work, because we currently have EPRs and Spikers in Halo 3.

  • 06.02.2009 12:33 PM PDT

Why the hell are you looking at this? Get out.

And no group invites, you jerk. I'm not interested.

Brute plasma rifles kicked serious ass in Halo 2. Elite plasma rifles were passed up for plasma pistols in Halo 2.

  • 06.02.2009 12:35 PM PDT

Posted by: Bender1000
Keep the both of them, please Bungie.


It's basically a moot point; Bungie's keeping the Spiker, adding the Brute PR to firefight and campaign (and maybe the 3 new maps? Let's wait and see.) and the Brute shot. The jury's out on the Elite PR as far as I know.

  • 06.02.2009 12:35 PM PDT

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