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Subject: I think Halo 3's MC will be in Halo: Reach.

Ok so theres a lot of discussion debating if the planet at the end of Halo 3 is in fact reach, and if so will MC be in the new game. I'm inclined to believe this, and here's my reasoning.

For anyone who's ever played halo 1 coop, you'll notice that both players are identical. Given that each spartan will be slightly different in height, width etc, it makes sense that the coop spartan is in fact also Master Chief. Now Bungie isn't one to just make a character clone when they could write a new character complete with back story in, I mean just look at the elite coop partners in Halo 3. So how do we get two functioning Master Chiefs on board the Pillar of Autumn at the start of Halo 1?

The planet at the end of Halo 3 must be Reach. MC has been sent back in time and is on route for Reach at the time of the battle. He crash lands, and joins the fight, before eventually getting on board the Autumn, where he is put into cyro sleep and becomes the coop partner.

As for why no mention of this is made in Halo 1, it was all probably discussed as the Autumn was fleeing reach, and so was a non issue once the arrival at Alpha Halo.

As for why the future MC doesn't inform anyone about what has happened in the past, I can only assume the crash was even rougher than the one beginning Halo 3, giving him some form of amnesia and destroying the Cortana of the future at the same time. Armour would've been a write off too, so had it replaced with one of the older sets. I know this part sounds a like a stretch, but a forced slipspace exit probably wouldn't help things either, so it could well have happened, or some other explanation.

So there you have it. My theory on why H3 MC will be on Reach.

  • 06.02.2009 8:18 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

The Planet isn't reach. You want proof?

REACH WAS GLASSED.
The planet in the Legendary ending was a Metallic planet, much like Oynx.

  • 06.02.2009 8:19 PM PDT

Happily married to Fatal_Coin_Vest since July 1st, 2009.

Thank you, Captain K Mart.

lol At the dude above me. Joke topic, dude.

[Edited on 06.02.2009 8:21 PM PDT]

  • 06.02.2009 8:20 PM PDT

Are you serious?

  • 06.02.2009 8:20 PM PDT

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No. There were two MCs in Coop because they only wanted to use one character model.

  • 06.02.2009 8:20 PM PDT

Posted by: privet caboose
The Planet isn't reach. You want proof?

REACH WAS GLASSED.
The planet in the Legendary ending was a Metallic planet, much like Oynx.
Thank you for not reading. Reach was glassed at the end yes. I'm saying he was sent back prior to glassing. You know, during the whole battle thing. We don't know what it looked like prior to glassing.

As to whoever asked as to my seriousness-Deadly.

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There were two MC's in Halo: CE because Bungie didn't take the time to make another character. It was just for gameplay sake. MC was on his way to Installation 04 during the Reach attack. And he can't time travel. MC won't be in Reach. At least not in the context that you suggested.

  • 06.02.2009 8:21 PM PDT
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Wait, whats that? Oh, thats just the sound of no one caring!
And watch where you point that thing next time!

Bungie has said before they dont like implementing time travel in their. games. And if what you said is true, then the second MC would be in single player as well.

  • 06.02.2009 8:21 PM PDT

Armor Lock isn't overpowered. You just suck at Reach :)

Reach isn't bad, you're just a BK :)

For my gamertag, look up "Ghoulishtie"

Ok. Leave out the campain co-op 'clones' for just a second and think. Back on halo 1 and heck, even halo 2, do you think bungie would have seriously made those 'clones' as seperate characters with stories?

They fixed that in Halo 3 though, allowing the arbiter and those other 2 elites to be the 3 other players.

Halo: Reach has NOTHING to do with the Legendary ending planet. They are 2 seperate things. Yes, we may see MC as he was back on Reach, but the MC in the Halo 3 timeline is still on that ship, floating to some random planet that ISNT Reach.

  • 06.02.2009 8:25 PM PDT
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Elite name: Rymi 'Cazud
Rank: Spec-ops Officer

Wait, whats that? Oh, thats just the sound of no one caring!
And watch where you point that thing next time!

We do know what Reach looks like. Watch the trailer again and look at the day side of the planet. Also the nebula in the background at the end of halo 3 is the iris nebula, which is 1,300 light years away. Epsilon Eridani is only 10.5 light years away

[Edited on 06.02.2009 8:26 PM PDT]

  • 06.02.2009 8:26 PM PDT

Posted by: iSystematic
There were two MC's in Halo: CE because Bungie didn't take the time to make another character. It was just for gameplay sake. MC was on his way to Installation 04 during the Reach attack. And he can't time travel. MC won't be in Reach. At least not in the context that you suggested.
Which is why MC took part in missions on Reach during the battle, and the opening cutscene in Halo 2 shows the Autumn fleeing as Reach was glassed.


Posted by: Evil Elite
Bungie has said before they dont like implementing time travel in their. games. And if what you said is true, then the second MC would be in single player as well.
Why so? Remember you don't see the two additional elites except in coop, but they're still there.

  • 06.02.2009 8:30 PM PDT

It is much more likely that Halo: Reach will be base off the book "Fall of Reach". This was the book about the covenant attack on Reach. I'm guessing that you will play as the Spartans who were sent down to the surface to protect the reactors powering the orbital MAC canons.

Your conclusion that MC will be on Reach is very improbable. The character models in co-op in Halo: CE were the same because the storyline didn't support 2 spartans in that part of the story. Basically it was like the second person wasn't even there. That why in the cutscenes there was only one spartan. Also their has never been a time machine mentioned in the Halo universe and it is very unlikely that Bungie will just through one in now.

You should do some more research on the Halo universe before you speculate to much.

EDIT: Change First Strike to Fall of Reach. I had the titles mixed up.

[Edited on 06.02.2009 9:23 PM PDT]

  • 06.02.2009 8:41 PM PDT

I really don't know much of the Halo books but if so... Was MC sent down to Reach. The game is obviously a prequel every Spartan but 117 were dead through Halo CE - 3. I don't know if the game will be like Halo 3 and be a one character view point or if each has their own story and game play (maybe Squad based).

My point is if MC, John 117 was in the Battle of Reach, or whatever its called, then the game would be of his perspective right?

[Edited on 06.02.2009 8:50 PM PDT]

  • 06.02.2009 8:49 PM PDT

Posted by: The Last Blonde
It is much more likely that Halo: Reach will be base off the book "First Strike". This was the book about the covenant attack on Reach. I'm guessing that you will play as the Spartans who were sent down to the surface to protect the reactors powering the orbital MAC canons.

Your conclusion that MC will be on Reach is very improbable. The character models in co-op in Halo: CE were the same because the storyline didn't support 2 spartans in that part of the story. Basically it was like the second person wasn't even there. That why in the cutscenes there was only one spartan. Also their has never been a time machine mentioned in the Halo universe and it is very unlikely that Bungie will just through one in now.

You should do some more research on the Halo universe before you speculate to much.
First off I never mentioned a time machine. As far as we can tell slipspace collapsed around the Dawn as it was travelling. I dont know of any other time that has happened, so who knows what would actually happen. It's not like time travel is a new thing for Bungie, it was used in parts of Marathon after all, so why not in Halo.

Again remember that only the MC and Arbiter are shown in the Halo 3 cutscenes. The other two don't have a significant story impact, nor forward the plot, so don't get shown. Similarily the coop MC doesn't alter the storyline of Halo 1, so he isn't shown.

I think you're all withholding too much credit from Bungie and assuming they'd be lazy enough to just throw a character in. Before this I'd always considered that the second Spartan was the one picked up in space injured, Linda I think it was, and just ignored the height thing as a slight inaccuracy. But now I think it could be more subtle than that.

EDIT TO ABOVE: There were other Spartans alive during the events of H1-3, but their storylines didn't directly cross the games story so you didn't see them.

[Edited on 06.02.2009 8:51 PM PDT]

  • 06.02.2009 8:50 PM PDT

Posted by: DiDi 0601
I really don't know much of the Halo books but if so... Was MC sent down to Reach. The game is obviously a prequel every Spartan but 117 were dead through Halo CE - 3. I don't know if the game will be like Halo 3 and be a one character view point or if each has their own story and game play (maybe Squad based).

My point is if MC, John 117 was in the Battle of Reach, or whatever its called, then the game would be of his perspective right?


MC was not sent to the surface of Reach. At this time he was infact on a ship that escaped from Reach and accidently slipspace jumped to instillation 04 (Halo). This is were Halo CE starts. Other Spartans were however sent to the surface. I believe these are the Spartans you will play as.

  • 06.02.2009 8:55 PM PDT

(;3=

he might be in the game but is not the main character.

  • 06.02.2009 9:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: The Last Blonde
It is much more likely that Halo: Reach will be base off the book "First Strike". This was the book about the covenant attack on Reach. I'm guessing that you will play as the Spartans who were sent down to the surface to protect the reactors powering the orbital MAC canons.

Your conclusion that MC will be on Reach is very improbable. The character models in co-op in Halo: CE were the same because the storyline didn't support 2 spartans in that part of the story. Basically it was like the second person wasn't even there. That why in the cutscenes there was only one spartan. Also their has never been a time machine mentioned in the Halo universe and it is very unlikely that Bungie will just through one in now.

You should do some more research on the Halo universe before you speculate to much.
First off I never mentioned a time machine. As far as we can tell slipspace collapsed around the Dawn as it was travelling. I dont know of any other time that has happened, so who knows what would actually happen. It's not like time travel is a new thing for Bungie, it was used in parts of Marathon after all, so why not in Halo.

Again remember that only the MC and Arbiter are shown in the Halo 3 cutscenes. The other two don't have a significant story impact, nor forward the plot, so don't get shown. Similarily the coop MC doesn't alter the storyline of Halo 1, so he isn't shown.

I think you're all withholding too much credit from Bungie and assuming they'd be lazy enough to just throw a character in. Before this I'd always considered that the second Spartan was the one picked up in space injured, Linda I think it was, and just ignored the height thing as a slight inaccuracy. But now I think it could be more subtle than that.

EDIT TO ABOVE: There were other Spartans alive during the events of H1-3, but their storylines didn't directly cross the games story so you didn't see them.

There might have been other Spartans in Halo 1 and 2. But in Halo 3 MC is the last Spartan. It says so on the back of the game. "He is the last of his kind."

Even if he did go back in time to Reach what would be the point? There was already two squads of spartans there. What difference could one more possibly make? And if he did make a difference and he somehow saved Reach then how would the covenant gained the information on the location of Earth? Then how did Halo 3 happen? This theory of yours creates countless time paradoxes.

  • 06.02.2009 9:12 PM PDT