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errr...like I said, the covenant OWN the air, you CAN NOT FLY! during that one e3-03 trailer it showed a pelican flying around but it was consistantly being shot at, so flying around is not always the best idea. maintaining a low profile whilst traveling over large areas of water is integral to defending earth. Earth is over 70% water, it doesent make sense to NOT have boats. I am not even asking that they are in SP but they would be totally awesome in MP. Like I said, that new assault mode would work great with it. if the defenders and attackers each had their own island and you had to storm/defend islands depending on which side you are on at the moment.


(plus as an easter egg it would be really funny to have a rubber ducky floatie ring)

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  • 07.18.2004 10:51 AM PDT
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Boats woulnt be that bad, but wouldnt it be safer to travel underwater (ex: Drive a warthog underwater ) then to be in the open ontop of the water?

  • 07.18.2004 11:17 AM PDT
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Boats would be awesome... i have posted several threads about this idea and nobody hardly ever thinks it's a good idea, but i do.....For those of you who don't know me...i am the past "the4thhunter"..

  • 07.18.2004 11:27 AM PDT
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i think boats will rock too, but it would be more...secrete...to drive UNDERWATER. but ud probably go slower underwater

  • 07.18.2004 11:32 AM PDT
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i would really like to see something like the fast attack crafts that navy SEALs use. or maybe just some small rubber raft with a machine gun, they would be great for small groups of 3 or 4 people to land on a beach unnoticed for the attack/defend game type

  • 07.18.2004 11:38 AM PDT
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Posted by: Orion345
I see what ya mean. say they added some cloaking thingy to the boat to make it invisible to radar and to the eye. i mean for gods sake this happens in the friggin 26th century. ya think we would have the technology. moving along, so say this was happining way out to sea, you cant send in a pelican that would be to obvious, so you sport a small boat say for a recon or stealth mission it would be quieter and small enough to carry a good sized team without alerting the covies. or if its multiplayer you can hit the other team before they know whats happening. And heck dont you ever wonder what it would be like to have boat on boat combat. especially if you have a gunner and four armed passengers and a driver. that would be sweet.


I cant believe that i am qouting myself.

  • 07.18.2004 4:27 PM PDT
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they need a U-BOAT wicth is not a submarine. its main fire power has to be used on the serfes of the water but it can submerg at will

  • 07.18.2004 4:51 PM PDT
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deathscythev2, those quotes of last weeks update prove nothing at all. but i think boats would be kinda cool i geuss. i don't really see the purpose of them. but ok. sure you could get from island to island, but you can do the same with a bridge adn warthog, which i would rather use personally.

  • 07.18.2004 5:10 PM PDT
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I know the quotes dont CONFIRM anything. But they are POSSIBLE evidence towards boats, and sure a bridge is always nice, but not all parts of th world are connected by bridges, and for the driving underwater. You would be MUCH slower, still be able to be spotted on the radar and now with the homing rockets good luck getting anywhere near an island.

  • 07.19.2004 12:44 AM PDT
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One of the first Halo's had boats. That also can be some "proof".

  • 07.19.2004 12:51 AM PDT
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well not really proof but its "incentive" for bungie to finally implement boats in their second installment of halo.

  • 07.19.2004 12:53 AM PDT
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There just doesn't seem to be a big point.

Covies do own the air, but when you own the air you own the place directly beneath the air - provided there is a lack of cover. On water, there isn't a lot of cover.

I mean, sure, hopping in a banshee and flying through a fleet of dropships isn't smart, but hopping on a speedboat and driving under them is even stupider - since you can't really outmaneuver them, and you're still just as visible.

DeathScythe, we know you want boats, and if there do end up being boats, then good for you, but if you want a boating game, you're likely going to have to look elsewhere than the Halo universe.


they need a U-BOAT wicth is not a submarine. its main fire power has to be used on the serfes of the water but it can submerg at will


Um. Yeah, 'U-Boat' is short for the German 'Unterseebooten' - Underwaterboat. Submarine.

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  • 07.19.2004 1:05 AM PDT
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dont want a boating game friend, and there is N-O-T always a flying vehicle around for you to abuse, I want boats to limit banshee abusers in MP. thats one of MANY MANY reasons.



Posted by: Viendin
stupider



P.S. umm no such word. not trying to rip on you at all but your point would have seemed much more valid if grammer was correct.

  • 07.19.2004 1:09 AM PDT
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Oh, I am so dearly regretful for my mishap.

You appear not to spell correctly! Grammer? What? You also don't seem to think capitals belong at the beginnings of sentences! Oh no!

Sorry, but really, picking out the word 'stupider' to slice on my grammar when you don't follow standard English grammatical conventions yourself? Ridiculous.

If you don't like the Banshees in MP, then host a game and cut Banshees. It shouldn't be too hard. Boats would just mean 'Boat-Abusers', and you haven't really replied to my point, or anyone's point, that Boats don't seem to serve better than flying vehicles. You've stated that you don't like folks taking advantage of flight, and that you feel the covies own the air, so we shouldn't try to compete, but neither of these gets to the heart of the matter.

When people make games, they ask themselves:

"Will the benefits all people get out of this addition outweigh the work necessary to implement the addition, and the possible downsides of the addition?"

If there were wide sweeping rivers in 3-4 levels that needed to be navigable, then boats would be an immediate yes. If, instead, there is a single level with a large river, that a road has already been put beside, along with bridges, and Warthogs, and enemies, then boats aren't very likely. It is a lot of work for very little gain, and I've only ever really seen one person asking for boats - you.

So really, no offense, no hard feelings, but boats likely aren't, weren't, and aren't going to be the top of the list for Bungie's team.

  • 07.19.2004 1:35 AM PDT
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Ok on the grammer I was reffering on how your spelling on "stupider" was quite ironic. And nope I dont take the time to put a capitol at the beginning of every sentence I write. I have solid grammer but not perfect, not worth my time.

On the subject of banshees its not that I dont likepeople for taking advantage of flying but it is not ever taken "advantage" of, it is abused until eternity. Dont try and contradict me because you know thats true and so does everyone here.

Furthermore I dont "feel" the covies own the air, it is a proven fact, humans have only one flying vehicle and so far it is undetermind if you are going to be able to pilot it(pelican) and I highly doubt you will be able to. If you wish to dispute the covenants air superiorty take it up with a phantom or better yet one of their cruisers.

Also what work would be needed to implement boats, I am not asking bungie to start work on them right now, I speculated on that they already have and they are closing in on finishing them. No extra work is neccisary, either bungie has boats or they dont. continuing, ask around I am NOT the only one asking for boats, if you would like I will dig around for several boat threads and link them.

Finishing, how would you know what kind of maps bungie would implement, I assure you if bungie plans on implementing boats they just MIGHT plan on making a few good boat maps.

Lastly how do you know what is likely or not to be on bungies list of top things?

Chew on this for a while and next time you try and discredit me for pointing out an ironic misspell you might want to read the whole thread before going into an all out rant.


Posted by: Viendin
So really, no offense, no hard feelings, but boats likely aren't, weren't, and aren't going to be the top of the list for Bungie's team.


P.S. if you would like to point out minor gramatical problems then here you go.

[Edited on 7/19/2004 1:59:48 AM]

  • 07.19.2004 1:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: DeathscytheV2
thanks mod, you could have just edited out the name calling and scolded me in a pm, but noooo you delete the whole friggen post, whatever ill start again.

Boats ARE still usefull everyone.

1: covies own the air, so flying all the time is a BAD idea.

2: pelicans are only usefull for LARGE troop deployment, but on the other hand a jetski(one person) or a catamaran(2-3 people) are quite fast and usefull in deploying small amounts of people to an island.

3: a dual motored boat/jetski could smoke a pelican so if your going to go over water boats will be the vehicle of choice.

4: yes covenants have hover tech to go over water, Humans dont, there is not always a ghost/banshee waiting around for you to jack.

5:low-key, as in boats dont draw tons of attention unlike a screaming banshee or a whooshing pelican, therefore if your playing an island hop-CTF game boats are much more usefull than flying.

6:Instant exiting, if your flying hopping out while moving is BAD, but with a boat you only have water to land in, much safer if you see a rocket screaming towards you and you want a hasty exit, unlike a banshee/pelican.

7: jungle maps, flying is quite useless when the trees prevent any kind of liftoff/landing. but if there is a small river running about the map a small river boat will be quite usefull.


the covenant own the air so you are gonna sit on top of the water and make it easier for them to shoot you? what sense does that make?

i'm picturing the master chief on a jetski.......ok i gotta stop...i mean really, come on...

how do you know what speed a pelican tops out at?

  • 07.19.2004 2:12 AM PDT
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specs provided by errr,hmmm, if you would like I will link to them.

And no I wont be stting on top of water whatsoever, I will be speeding across it on some form of a jetski or a catamaran of sorts...

Edit:still looking

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  • 07.19.2004 2:22 AM PDT

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Posted by: DeathscytheV2
specs provided by bungie, if you would like I will link to them.

And no I wont be stting on top of water whatsoever, I will be speeding across it on some form of a jetski or a catamaran of sorts...


provide away

  • 07.19.2004 2:27 AM PDT
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ok till I provide the proper specs for pelican speeds lets just assume a jetski is either,

A: Faster

B: Can be made to be faster

plus I never said I knew how fast a pelican is, I just made the statement that I would smoke a pelican.

[Edited on 7/19/2004 2:40:56 AM]

  • 07.19.2004 2:40 AM PDT

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Posted by: DeathscytheV2
ok till I provide the proper specs for pelican speeds lets just assume a jetski is either,

A: Faster

B: Can be made to be faster

plus I never said I knew how fast a pelican is, I just made the statement that I would smoke a pelican.


i can't see a jetski being faster than a jet. plus i got a lot better chance flying through a storm than you do riding your jetski up and down 30 foot waves.

  • 07.19.2004 2:43 AM PDT
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Aren't Pelicans capable of trans-atmospheric flight? If a Jetski can move faster than what a Pelican is capable of, I certainly wouldn't want to be on it! And for my reference specs, I'm borrowing from what I read in the books.

Lol!

  • 07.24.2004 3:54 PM PDT
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How is something "Possibley Confirmed," that doesn't make any sense, confirmed means it's definite, and possibley means maybe, this thread title is just plain wack.

  • 07.24.2004 3:57 PM PDT

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