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I know it's a long shot and some of the finer details don't add up but they're both 42 and dedicated to the fight.

What most of us know (the one's that have read the books) is that the Spartan candidates were abducted and replaced with flash clones. As far as we know all of the clones died, but what if one was lucky enough to live past their illness?

Buck, the ODST gunnery Sgt in Halo 3: ODST is a close match for John's clone. The only difference is the where they live or lived. But we don't know for certain if John was actually born on Eridanus 2.He may have been born on draco 3 (like Buck) and then moved to Eridanus a few years later.
Then John was abducted and the flash clone was put in his place.

It also says on Bucks character profile that if he was any better, he'd be a Spartan.

Remember, Bungie is well versed in the art of mis-direction.

I know it seems far-fetched, but then so is the subject of a race of highly advanced superbeings that built 7 enormous rings in deep space.

[Edited on 06.03.2009 1:09 PM PDT]

  • 06.03.2009 6:10 AM PDT
Subject: Could Buck Edwards (ODST), be the surviving clone of John-117?

probably not.

I don't remember him being cloned.

and John is like 6 feet tall.

[Edited on 06.03.2009 6:12 AM PDT]

  • 06.03.2009 6:11 AM PDT

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A surviving clone? Yes that is far-fetched and most probably false.

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Sounds pretty possible.

  • 06.03.2009 6:11 AM PDT

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My problems [with Reach] are basically just full parties, mlg, and people who go out of their way not to get killed.

John's home planet was glassed a long time ago. Of course, it doesn't mean that no one got away.

Although possible, the odds are simply not in favor of this theory, gotta say...

  • 06.03.2009 6:12 AM PDT
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All clones of the spartans did not have a long life span. They all Died

All clones of the children were sent back to their respective families. So no one would know they were actually kidnapped. The clones all died several years later


John-117 Clone is dead

Go read a book, Its fundamental (the answer is in the Book: The Fall of Reach)

[Edited on 06.03.2009 6:17 AM PDT]

  • 06.03.2009 6:14 AM PDT

seems plausible
kid is born on draco 3, kid gets abducted, cloned, clone sent back to family, kid saves world, clone survives, joins unsc, only thing that gets me is this part.

"It also says on Bucks character profile that if he was any better, he'd be a Spartan."

looks like johns got competition, makes me think, considering buck is almost as good as a spartan non-augemented, how good would buck be if he WAS augemented like a spartan, omega spartan anyone?

@ litez
the only non - plausible thing about that is the clone surviving, and it is possible that he survived, bungie have mislead us before, and this is exactly the kind of thing they would do just to add another, interesting plot twist.


[Edited on 06.03.2009 6:18 AM PDT]

  • 06.03.2009 6:16 AM PDT

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I heard he was the survivng clone of hitler...

But no, the flash clones died of natural causes months after their creation, plus the Chief's a lot taller.

Add to that Bungie aren't lunatics, so this wouldn't be allowed to be part of the plot.

Nice too see a bit of wild speculation though :)

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The clone is dead. It is stated in the book. Go read it I did.

You are mis-interprteing the book Because you want there to be a living clone of John-117
you are looking too much into it

[Edited on 06.03.2009 6:29 AM PDT]

  • 06.03.2009 6:27 AM PDT

Posted by: dr spartan32
Erhm, then why is he namned Edward Buck instead of John (xxx)?

alias? and i know it is highly implausible litez, but not entirely implausible

  • 06.03.2009 6:31 AM PDT

it's impossible for buck to be the clone, but it's fun to listen to all the wild speculation people are throwing around

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Posted by: dr spartan32
Erhm, then why is he namned Edward Buck instead of John (xxx)?

alias? and i know it is highly implausible litez, but not entirely implausible



It is highly implausible because the book said ALL clones died of natural causes. It was the side effect of the cloning process. I understand your young and you want there to be some hint of survival, but you have to look at all the facts. The clone is dead

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probably not.

I don't remember him being cloned.

and John is like 6 feet tall.


He has/had a clone replace him.

If this isn't true then it's still a nice theory...

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All spartans were cloned as children, but no clone survived. Per the book

[Edited on 06.03.2009 6:48 AM PDT]

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Thanks for choosing to whine over being a productive member of the community and possible element towards advancing Reach.

That is a damn long shot and even if the clone survived I would imagine that he would have a bunch of health problems that would make him be in the military a bit difficult.

  • 06.03.2009 6:49 AM PDT

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Posted by: NaturalSkill
Posted by: dr spartan32
Erhm, then why is he namned Edward Buck instead of John (xxx)?

alias? and i know it is highly implausible litez, but not entirely implausible



It is highly implausible because the book said ALL clones died of natural causes. It was the side effect of the cloning process. I understand your young and you want there to be some hint of survival, but you have to look at all the facts. The clone is dead

wow dude, way to get personal about nothing, you reinforce what i have already said then mock me for saying it, even though your agreeing with me in what you say, i said it was highly implausible, then you just gave reasons as to WHY it is, i agree with you, calm down, it IS highly implausible that a clone survived, but not 100% COMPLETELY implausible, bungie have led us astray before, get it now? geez calm down.

  • 06.03.2009 6:51 AM PDT

After John was abducted we don't really hear anything else concerning his family. So we don't know if either John or Edwards names are their real names.

john and all the other Spartan II's were replaced with flash clones which supposedly died after a few years. But that was all we heard. What if one survived and ONI intervened?


As to the mention of the clone being dead I can completely understand and agree, but in the Fall of Reach, where it mentions about the clones dying, was this from someones perspective, i.e. Catherine Halsey? If so, then this might be all she knows about it. ONI intervened and changed the information to show that the clone had died.

[Edited on 06.03.2009 7:03 AM PDT]

  • 06.03.2009 6:53 AM PDT

Does anyone have a copy of The Fall of Reach to hand?

look for the mention of the clones dying...

  • 06.03.2009 7:19 AM PDT
Subject: Could "Buck" Edward (ODST), be the surviving clone of Joh...

No. That's just stupid. A story about a race of highly advanced super beings that build seven giant rings and then proceed to blow the crap out of everything in the universe with them is far fetched, but there is a difference between far fetched and stupid. And this is stupid.

  • 06.03.2009 7:19 AM PDT

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  • 06.03.2009 12:20 PM PDT
Subject: Could Buck Edwards (ODST), be the surviving clone of John-117?

Dr. Hasley hadn't perfected flash-cloning whole humans yet, so even if he escaped John's home planet, he wouldn't have made it past 15...

  • 06.03.2009 12:22 PM PDT
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John's Flash clone was stationed on Eridanus II as a 6-year old child. If it wasn't the fact that he died due to being one of the first few clones to be created, he would not have survived the planet's glassing.

John was born on Eridanus II, his clone was sent to Eridanus II. His clone died there, along with - I believe I remember Dr. Halsey mentioning it - every other flash clone.

[Edited on 06.03.2009 12:25 PM PDT]

  • 06.03.2009 12:23 PM PDT

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I'd love to be a 10 year old and tell my mom I'm going on an adventure out into the world catching Pokemon, with her full support. Never mind the fact that there are rapists, criminals, and murders out there, or the fact that I may get killed by a Pokemon.

Luckily I have Pikachu.

From halopedia:
After the future SPARTAN-IIs were kidnapped from their homes, they were replaced by flash clones, intended to explain the sudden disappearance of the SPARTAN-II candidates. Though the flash clones quickly died, they had succeeded in their purpose to draw attention away from ONI and therefore drawing the attention away from the kidnapping.

  • 06.03.2009 12:24 PM PDT