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I want my steaks Luke...

Posted by: prometheus25
Why does everyone think that Bungie is super secretive and very good at deception and the sort? They really aren't. You all think so, because you come up with these crazy ideas that half fit. You all need to take a step back.


They faked Johns death in halo 3...
They switched the sides of the elite forces...
They led us to believe John was the last spartan...
They told us there wouldn't be a halo 3...
They led us to believe there wouldn't be some map remakes for halo 3...
They led us to believe halo 3 was the last of halo...
They took our freedom away with their ban hammer...
They won't even give us a description about Dare...
They had the flood briefly on our side...
They killed Johnson and Miranda and Captain Keyes...
They said they wouldn't have an ounce of ODST multiplayer...
They said we'd never be able to unlock recon without their consent...

You still want to argue or should I keep listing?

  • 06.03.2009 2:01 PM PDT

Dr. Halsey says in Halo: First Strike that all of the Flash-Clones died.

  • 06.03.2009 2:03 PM PDT

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TSDFGHH not just radom gibberish.

No

  • 06.03.2009 2:03 PM PDT

Posted by: TheOffroadDude
Posted by: prometheus25
Why does everyone think that Bungie is super secretive and very good at deception and the sort? They really aren't. You all think so, because you come up with these crazy ideas that half fit. You all need to take a step back.


They faked Johns death in halo 3...
They switched the sides of the elite forces...
They led us to believe John was the last spartan...
They told us there wouldn't be a halo 3...
They led us to believe there wouldn't be some map remakes for halo 3...
They led us to believe halo 3 was the last of halo...
They took our freedom away with their ban hammer...
They won't even give us a description about Dare...
They had the flood briefly on our side...
They killed Johnson and Miranda and Captain Keyes...
They said they wouldn't have an ounce of ODST multiplayer...
They said we'd never be able to unlock recon without their consent...

You still want to argue or should I keep listing?
Owned. Completely and utterly owned.

  • 06.03.2009 2:04 PM PDT

Funny. I was thinking the exact same thing but about "The Rookie"
since almost everything is classified about him on his field guide page.


The Secret of his name.even his description "his actions speak louder than words"
Lead me to believe there is more to this "Rookie"


PS:is it said anywhere what Johns Blood type was?

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  • 06.03.2009 2:07 PM PDT

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no
then he would be called john.

  • 06.03.2009 2:08 PM PDT
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Maybe he has a short twin

  • 06.03.2009 2:10 PM PDT
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Not possible, John was born in 2011, Buck was born on 2010. Buck's first name is Edward. I'm thinking that his parents would not rename him part way through his life, and not many people change their own names.

  • 06.03.2009 2:17 PM PDT

I want my steaks Luke...

ONI changed files before in the story... they can do it again...

Posted by: BOB570
Not possible, John was born in 2011, Buck was born on 2010. Buck's first name is Edward. I'm thinking that his parents would not rename him part way through his life, and not many people change their own names.

  • 06.03.2009 2:22 PM PDT

As you may realise, none of any of the Spartans have the same first name. So this could mean that to complete the training/recruitment process all of the recruits have names chosen for them.

In addition to this, they only have first names. Maybe John isn't his real name.

And if it was Dr Halsey that stated the fact that all of the clones died, then that may be only what she knows. Maybe ONI faked the John clones' death.

There are a lot of possibilities, including the fact that my theory may be completely wrong about everything.

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Posted by: TheOffroadDude
ONI changed files before in the story... they can do it again...

Posted by: BOB570
Not possible, John was born in 2011, Buck was born on 2010. Buck's first name is Edward. I'm thinking that his parents would not rename him part way through his life, and not many people change their own names.

In that case all the ODSTs could be John's clone.

Not to mention that all the clones died.

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Posted by: MaxRealflugel
As you may realise, none of any of the Spartans have the same first name. So this could mean that to complete the training/recruitment process all of the recruits have names chosen for them.

In addition to this, they only have first names. Maybe John isn't his real name.

And if it was Dr Halsey that stated the fact that all of the clones died, then that may be only what she knows. Maybe ONI faked the John clones' death.

There are a lot of possibilities, including the fact that my theory may be completely wrong about everything.
lol finally someone says it they changed the spartans names after the kidnapping so johns name could origanally be edward and john had luck which could have passed to his clone that could have let him survive i might be wrong about this(50/50 chance i am though.)this is an idea of it we will just have to wait

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Posted by: Sp4rt4n119
Thank you sir, that was an epic rendition of this topic.


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and how!

Flash clones are mindless bodies that develop many times faster than a normal person, designed only to provide organs for transplant.

No.

  • 06.03.2009 2:33 PM PDT
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  • 06.03.2009 2:33 PM PDT
Subject: Could Buck Edwards (ODST), be the surviving clone of John-117?

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probably not.

I don't remember him being cloned.

and John is like 6 feet tall.

Yes, all the SPARTAN-IIs were flash-cloned when they were taken so that replacements could be put in their place, as they were taken without parents' consent or knowledge. However, most of them died quickly due to effects from the cloning process. And actually John is about 7'.
And @ OP - the rings aren't in deep space. Deep space is the term used to refer to the emptiness between systems. Installation 04 is orbiting a gas giant, Threshold. So not really deep space.

  • 06.03.2009 2:37 PM PDT
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Flash clones never survive. It is a malpractice that was never perfected, and as such, leaves the created clone with a constantly-deteriorating body, until they finally die of a metabolic cascade failure.

  • 06.03.2009 2:39 PM PDT

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Posted by: MaxRealflugel
As you may realise, none of any of the Spartans have the same first name. So this could mean that to complete the training/recruitment process all of the recruits have names chosen for them.

In addition to this, they only have first names. Maybe John isn't his real name.

And if it was Dr Halsey that stated the fact that all of the clones died, then that may be only what she knows. Maybe ONI faked the John clones' death.

There are a lot of possibilities, including the fact that my theory may be completely wrong about everything.
lol finally someone says it they changed the spartans names after the kidnapping so johns name could origanally be edward and john had luck which could have passed to his clone that could have let him survive i might be wrong about this(50/50 chance i am though.)this is an idea of it we will just have to wait

Dr. Halsey calls him John when she first meets him at the age of 6 and he responds, I highly doubt he would just sit there and let her call him John if his name was Frank or something. John was very competetive as a kid and he always won. He wanted people to know he was the best. So calling him the wrong name would not fit your hypothesis.

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  • 06.03.2009 2:40 PM PDT

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Roam the streets with a sign, "will love for false hope."

Far fetched and currently worthless. If it's possible, it has no application to ODST.

And by the way, Nathan Fillion does not sound like Steve Downes...

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  • 06.03.2009 2:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: TheOffroadDude

They faked Johns death in halo 3...
And anyone with half a brain knew to watch for after the credits. That's not in any way some conspiracy.

They switched the sides of the elite forces...
That was an unexpected story line change, not a secretive plot element. Stop wasting my time.
They led us to believe John was the last spartan...
Any true Halo fan who read the books wouldn't have been so gullible.

They told us there wouldn't be a halo 3...
And there wasn't supposed to be, if you knew any better. This has nothing to do with secrecy or cunning plans.

They led us to believe there wouldn't be some map remakes for halo 3
There wouldn't be "some." or wouldn't be "any?"

They led us to believe halo 3 was the last of halo
"End of story-arc" does not mean "End of Halo." Classic beginner mistake. Been made many, many times.

They took our freedom away with their ban hammer...
What did I tell you about wasting my time?

They won't even give us a description about Dare...
Because they have writers who know how to maintain interest in a topic. Your interest makes them money. Why haven't you realized this yet?

They had the flood briefly on our side...
Again, unexpected story line change.

They killed Johnson and Miranda and Captain Keyes...
Seriously, MUST I keep repeating myself?

They said they wouldn't have an ounce of ODST multiplayer...
Firefight is more campaign than multiplayer. It's advertised as cooperative play.

They said we'd never be able to unlock recon without their consent...
And now they are consenting. Even still, they can take it away, and they already have a list of people who can't get it

You've made no argument. Everyone's standards of Bungie doing secret things is way too high. Yeah, they don't tell you stuff, but that's because you really don't need to know. And yes, sometimes Bungie does stuff that they say they wouldn't do, or vice versa. There is no evidence, however, to support that they did this to deceive us, not just because plans or ideas changed.

  • 06.03.2009 3:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: evil lemons g88
Posted by: MaxRealflugel
As you may realise, none of any of the Spartans have the same first name. So this could mean that to complete the training/recruitment process all of the recruits have names chosen for them.

In addition to this, they only have first names. Maybe John isn't his real name.

And if it was Dr Halsey that stated the fact that all of the clones died, then that may be only what she knows. Maybe ONI faked the John clones' death.

There are a lot of possibilities, including the fact that my theory may be completely wrong about everything.
lol finally someone says it they changed the spartans names after the kidnapping so johns name could origanally be edward and john had luck which could have passed to his clone that could have let him survive i might be wrong about this(50/50 chance i am though.)this is an idea of it we will just have to wait


In the books, Dr. Halsey approaches 6 year old John and calls him by that name. John's pre-kidnapping name was still the same. If you haven't read the books, you shouldn't be making conjectures.

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his name would still be john
he would have the same records, same parents, same family, and same life

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Posted by: Dream053
Flash clones never survive. It is a malpractice that was never perfected, and as such, leaves the created clone with a constantly-deteriorating body, until they finally die of a metabolic cascade failure.
But they never went into full length about cloning, which would be a longer, better, procedure. What if they wanted an ARMY of Johns, and used a slower, less likely to fail, procedure. ONI fakes some records, makes some false memories, and BAM, army of non-Spartan versions of John.

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A good hypothesis but I don't see it happening.

  • 06.03.2009 3:23 PM PDT