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Subject: Could Buck Edwards (ODST), be the surviving clone of John-117?

add a horn that says "!%*@ BILL O' REILLY" in Austin Powers' voice, and
I like how if anyone ever says a nice thing about Bungie people think all they want is Recon, and if someone says something bad about Bungie people join with them. And then after they get done bagging on Bungie, they go play the game that Bungie made

*Puts head on desk, sighs*

Why? Why would Bungie do that? What purpose does it serve? Also, why would his voice be different?

  • 06.03.2009 3:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: SnakeRunner40
Posted by: Dream053
Flash clones never survive. It is a malpractice that was never perfected, and as such, leaves the created clone with a constantly-deteriorating body, until they finally die of a metabolic cascade failure.
But they never went into full length about cloning, which would be a longer, better, procedure. What if they wanted an ARMY of Johns, and used a slower, less likely to fail, procedure. ONI fakes some records, makes some false memories, and BAM, army of non-Spartan versions of John.


There's no evidence anywhere that such a thing exists in the Haloverse.

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From my distant knowledge of the books, I recall the flashclones not being a smart as the "original."

  • 06.03.2009 3:41 PM PDT

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  • 06.03.2009 3:41 PM PDT
Subject: Could Buck Edwards (ODST), be the surviving clone of John-117?

Were it so easy.

HECK NO, this thread is a joke.

  • 06.03.2009 4:36 PM PDT

All the spartan II recruits had flash clones made of them to hide the fact they were all kidnapped.

Also, John is 7 feet in his armor.

  • 06.03.2009 4:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: SnakeRunner40
Posted by: Dream053
Flash clones never survive. It is a malpractice that was never perfected, and as such, leaves the created clone with a constantly-deteriorating body, until they finally die of a metabolic cascade failure.
But they never went into full length about cloning, which would be a longer, better, procedure. What if they wanted an ARMY of Johns, and used a slower, less likely to fail, procedure. ONI fakes some records, makes some false memories, and BAM, army of non-Spartan versions of John.


There's no evidence anywhere that such a thing exists in the Haloverse.
Was that in response to me or Snake? If me, there certainly is both in I Love Bees (embraced as canonical), and I'm certain the clones and their issues are briefly discussed in TFoR as well.

  • 06.03.2009 4:40 PM PDT

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I believe clones only live the amount of time between the origanal's birth and clone date.
So no.

  • 06.03.2009 4:45 PM PDT

I think there are a number of things that we can confirm. But we also have more questions.

The Master Chief's name is indeed John, but is "Buck's" name (Edward) his first or surname?

All of the clones were flawed in many ways. And Dr. Halsey stated that they all died. But does she personally know for sure that all of them died? Did she attend all the funerals?

Height: John is 7 feet tall in his Spartan armour. His true (unarmoured) height is unknown. Also, did his height change or alter in anyway due to the augmentation? i.e. bone growth etc...

What purpose would it serve? Well, I'm afraid, I don't know. Bungie knows all and we know very little about their future plans.
But, as an example, who would have thought that the Covenant would have become divided, or that you would be able to play as the Arbiter in Halo 2?
Afterwards it became clear that it was important to the storyline.

The Bungie Red Herring.
Misdirection is a Bungie trait, it's how they surprise and amaze us with the gameplay and storyline. just when we all think we have things figured out - BANG, they hit us with something new or unexpected.
A lot of people are focused on the Rookie, but what if this is just misdirection?

I know, i know. It's all just theory and conjecture and i can understand why some folk are opposed to the idea or just think that it's too far fetched.
It really is a shot in the dark.
In the end, my theory may just turn out to be a steaming pile of elephant dung. But there is a possibility, granted it's a small one, that one day that shot in dark might just hit something.

  • 06.04.2009 4:35 AM PDT

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

I would go with a "brother" theory before I would go with a "clone" theory.

Even if John had not been chemically altered, he would still exhibit a lot of the same traits that he does, so its feasible that other members of his family would also exhibit those same traits.

  • 06.04.2009 5:19 AM PDT

I suppose that's also possible, could even be a twin.

  • 06.04.2009 7:18 AM PDT

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I give up trying to reitterate the books to kids that have not read the books. Kids and their wild imaginations. Please stop tripping off the drugs. 4/20 was 2 months ago

holy crap, if thats aimed to me, dont pop a blood vessel, im agreeing with you and your argueing with me, we both say its highly implausible, were on the same page, jesus, did you wake up on the wrong side of the f**king cage this morning? -blam!-.

  • 06.04.2009 7:33 AM PDT

Posted by: greengrunt117
Well, wouldn't the clone be the same exact size as John.
John-117's height(along with ALL the other SPARTANS) was augmented.

  • 06.04.2009 8:01 AM PDT

Right, just so some people don't get the wrong idea, I have read ALL of the Halo books so there is no need to feel like your talking to 4 year old. In fact, I'm 34.

Lots of things are possible, even this theory is possible. it's just unlikely.

But I only still have the Cole Protocol and the Ghosts of Onyx left. So I need someone to look at the paragraph where it states the death of the clones and who says it.

So you're mission, if you choose to accept it, is to scour the books and find the answer.

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No.

  • 06.05.2009 4:15 AM PDT

Please...

Does anyone have the fall of reach book? please have a look for the section concerning the clones and let us know what it says, exactly. Once we know that part I can start looking for more clues.

  • 06.05.2009 5:00 AM PDT
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My shi­t bacteria takes offense to that comparison.

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Posted by: comander Matt
I think that buck is one of the origal spartans like the first ones. anyone know what I mean?
That would be interesting, and slightly more plausible that what Max is suggesting.
Oh and if it were true then your thingy about Johnson in your story would be right! Or half-right! Or not... (Max)

  • 06.05.2009 5:07 AM PDT
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From halopedia:
After the future SPARTAN-IIs were kidnapped from their homes, they were replaced by flash clones, intended to explain the sudden disappearance of the SPARTAN-II candidates. Though the flash clones quickly died, they had succeeded in their purpose to draw attention away from ONI and therefore drawing the attention away from the kidnapping.

  • 06.05.2009 5:08 AM PDT

The information on Halopedia is gathered from various sources. What I need is the source itself...the paragraph in the book.

  • 06.05.2009 5:25 AM PDT

We've already seen Buck's face, therefore, he is not John's clone.

  • 06.05.2009 6:01 AM PDT
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Posted by: greengrunt117
Well, wouldn't the clone be the same exact size as John.
John-117's height(along with ALL the other SPARTANS) was augmented.


Yes but even as a kid he was "a head taller than the other children" (fall of reach)

That aside, this thread is RIDICULOUS. In all seriousness, in no way, shape or form is Buck a clone of Master Chief. Full Stop.

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  • 06.05.2009 6:02 AM PDT
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seems plausible
kid is born on draco 3, kid gets abducted, cloned, clone sent back to family, kid saves world, clone survives, joins unsc, only thing that gets me is this part.

"It also says on Bucks character profile that if he was any better, he'd be a Spartan."

looks like johns got competition, makes me think, considering buck is almost as good as a spartan non-augemented, how good would buck be if he WAS augemented like a spartan, omega spartan anyone?



First.

All the subjects for the Spartan project was Flash Cloned. It's stated several times that Flash Clones of anything die after a certain time, if I recall, two years at the longest. That was flash cloned organs.

Second. If Buck would have been any better, he would be a Spartan, means that if he would have been better as a child, he would have been chosen to the Spartan Project, and he would have gotten the chance to become a spartan. If he really was as good as a Spartan non-augumented, don't you think people would have gotten theit eyes on him and done research on him to make him even better?

  • 06.05.2009 6:04 AM PDT
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We've already seen Buck's face, therefore, he is not John's clone.

  • 06.05.2009 6:05 AM PDT

Thing is, Bungie lives by the rule that what ever is NEW is cannon, be it book or what not. Now the books says scientifically they died. BUT were never presented with the bodies.

SO as there is a 98% chance there dead you still have that 2% chance that bungie will pull that.

Thing is the names is wrong, though this would be a nice idea, once survives because IDK some hospital was able to fix him.

Maybe hes John's kid who knows I would hate to think hes 42 and never had sex. . . Though the age would rule that out. . .

Now he could be a clone though, just a clone IF one john is good 2 should be better, OH but we cant make him a spartan will make him an ODST so he can lead them. . . IDK

Has to many holes in it.

I think the guy might have been one of the original candidates, but was cut because they could not afford all of them, so he was never kidnapped.

Another possibility is that his parents are spartan I's like Jonson. Yes, I know in Reach they say they got the name for the Spartans la la la, but than go right around and say Jonson is a Spartan I like James Lee, who's daughter Janissary James was a candidate for the Spartan 3's.

I mean Jonson is 80 when he dies.

So for a spartan I to have a kid, it grow up and be 42 at the same time as john is not impossible.

  • 06.05.2009 6:06 AM PDT