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Actually people have been theorizing that the clone is the rookie TBH.

  • 06.05.2009 6:08 AM PDT
Subject: Could "Buck" Edward (ODST), be the surviving clone of Joh...

Posted by: DSR Chainz
Thing is, Bungie lives by the rule that what ever is NEW is cannon, be it book or what not. Now the books says scientifically they died. BUT were never presented with the bodies.

SO as there is a 98% chance there dead you still have that 2% chance that bungie will pull that.

Thing is the names is wrong, though this would be a nice idea, once survives because IDK some hospital was able to fix him.

Maybe hes John's kid who knows I would hate to think hes 42 and never had sex. . . Though the age would rule that out. . .

Now he could be a clone though, just a clone IF one john is good 2 should be better, OH but we cant make him a spartan will make him an ODST so he can lead them. . . IDK

Has to many holes in it.

I think the guy might have been one of the original candidates, but was cut because they could not afford all of them, so he was never kidnapped.

Another possibility is that his parents are spartan I's like Jonson. Yes, I know in Reach they say they got the name for the Spartans la la la, but than go right around and say Jonson is a Spartan I like James Lee, who's daughter Janissary James was a candidate for the Spartan 3's.

I mean Jonson is 80 when he dies.

So for a spartan I to have a kid, it grow up and be 42 at the same time as john is not impossible.

Dear God people, read my post. I even re-posted it for all of you who are burning but don't know you're on fire yet.
WE'VE SEEN BUCKS FACE ERGO HE IS NOT JOHN'S CLONE.

  • 06.05.2009 6:09 AM PDT
Subject: Could Buck Edwards (ODST), be the surviving clone of John-117?

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seems plausible
kid is born on draco 3, kid gets abducted, cloned, clone sent back to family, kid saves world, clone survives, joins unsc, only thing that gets me is this part.

"It also says on Bucks character profile that if he was any better, he'd be a Spartan."

looks like johns got competition, makes me think, considering buck is almost as good as a spartan non-augemented, how good would buck be if he WAS augemented like a spartan, omega spartan anyone?



First.

All the subjects for the Spartan project was Flash Cloned. It's stated several times that Flash Clones of anything die after a certain time, if I recall, two years at the longest. That was flash cloned organs.

Second. If Buck would have been any better, he would be a Spartan, means that if he would have been better as a child, he would have been chosen to the Spartan Project, and he would have gotten the chance to become a spartan. If he really was as good as a Spartan non-augumented, don't you think people would have gotten theit eyes on him and done research on him to make him even better?


Or gone Metal Gear Solid on his ass and cloned the hell out of him?

Johnson showed a resistance to the flood and ONI would have dissected him for it (first strike) so if Buck was a Spartan before augmentations then i think they might have shown him a little more attention.

That said, i remember a part where Halsey is thinking about John and she states that even if he hadn't been augmented and turned into a Spartan, he would have been an exceptional soldier. Still, just because Buck is an exceptional soldier, it doesn't mean he's the Chief. Bungie aren't that lacking in creativity!

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Posted by: NaturalSkill
seems plausible
kid is born on draco 3, kid gets abducted, cloned, clone sent back to family, kid saves world, clone survives, joins unsc, only thing that gets me is this part.

"It also says on Bucks character profile that if he was any better, he'd be a Spartan."

looks like johns got competition, makes me think, considering buck is almost as good as a spartan non-augemented, how good would buck be if he WAS augemented like a spartan, omega spartan anyone?

@ litez
the only non - plausible thing about that is the clone surviving, and it is possible that he survived, bungie have mislead us before, and this is exactly the kind of thing they would do just to add another, interesting plot twist.

Bungie didn't write the books.
read up.
its not possible.

  • 06.05.2009 6:13 AM PDT
Subject: Could "Buck" Edward (ODST), be a surviving clone of John-...

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[/thread] Nao plox?

[Edited on 06.05.2009 6:25 AM PDT]

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Posted by: RvB Rocks95
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[/thread] Nao plox?

We haven't seen john's face.

  • 06.05.2009 6:31 AM PDT

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Posted by: RvB Rocks95
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[/thread] Nao plox?

We haven't seen john's face.
No -blam!- sherlock, and we never ever will. Bungie would never show us John's face, and if Buck is a clone of John, then he looks exactly like him. There's no such thing as a fraternal clone. Dear God people, use some common sense, or problem-solving skills. I can't believe idiots are still coming up with this ridiculous -blam!-.

  • 06.05.2009 6:34 AM PDT
Subject: Could Buck Edwards (ODST), be the surviving clone of John-117?

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probably not.

I don't remember him being cloned.

and John is like 6 feet tall.

Thanks to augmentation. And six feet isn't that tall. John is closer to 8 feet.

It's a possibility. Not a large one, but it is there.

  • 06.05.2009 6:36 AM PDT

You're forgetting one thing...we haven't seen John's face yet so we can't compare.

Anyway, when did we see Buck's face?

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Posted by: MaxRealflugel
You're forgetting one thing...we haven't seen John's face yet so we can't compare.

  • 06.05.2009 6:47 AM PDT

Posted by: MaxRealflugel
You're forgetting one thing...we haven't seen John's face yet so we can't compare.

Anyway, when did we see Buck's face?
In THE -blam!- DEMO OF THE -blam!- FIRST LEVEL. GOD DAMNIT PEOPLE. THEY WOULDN'T SHOW US THE FACE OF THE PROTAGANIST WE'VE HAD FOR ALL OF OUR HALO EXPERIENCES BY MEANS OF A CLONE THAT IS MIRACULOUSLY NOT RETARDED OR DEAD. What the Hell is wrong with all of you?

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Posted by: MaxRealflugel
You're forgetting one thing...we haven't seen John's face yet so we can't compare.

Anyway, when did we see Buck's face?
In THE -blam!- DEMO OF THE -blam!- FIRST LEVEL. GOD DAMNIT PEOPLE. THEY WOULDN'T SHOW US THE FACE OF THE PROTAGANIST WE'VE HAD FOR ALL OF OUR HALO EXPERIENCES BY MEANS OF A CLONE THAT IS MIRACULOUSLY NOT RETARDED OR DEAD. What the Hell is wrong with all of you?

Calm down kid.
Why would they not show his face?

  • 06.05.2009 6:52 AM PDT
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Buck is 100% not a clone John-117. For one, all of the spartan- II's kept their first names. Also, all of the clones died a short time after the real kids were taken. They killed the clones on purpose so no one could tell the difference between the real kids and the clones. Plus John was born in 2511 and Buck was born in 2510. John is also 208cm, but Buck is only 188cm. So there is 0 chance that Buck is a clone of John. And just because it says that if he was any better then he would be a spartan doesn't mean he is a clone of one. They are just saying that he is a good soldier.

  • 06.05.2009 6:58 AM PDT
Subject: Could Buck Edwards (ODST), be the surviving clone of John-117?

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OMGWTFBBQ DUTCH HOLDS A SPLAZER IN THE TRAILER HE MUST BE TEH MASTER CHIEF!!!!

This is Halo: ODST. NOT Halo: Secret Spartan-ODST Hybrid Project 2.0

Buck is not Johns clone. End of.

-TDM

  • 06.05.2009 6:59 AM PDT
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Actually you could have had the chance to see John's face if you played the halo 3 beta. If you have not seen his face then go look it up on youtube. They still look nothing alike so this forum is over.

  • 06.05.2009 7:03 AM PDT
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OMGWTFBBQ DUTCH HOLDS A SPLAZER IN THE TRAILER HE MUST BE TEH MASTER CHIEF!!!!

This is Halo: ODST. NOT Halo: Secret Spartan-ODST Hybrid Project 2.0

Buck is not Johns clone. End of.

-TDM


I've been trying to tell these kids that for the past week. I gave up a long time ago

[Edited on 06.05.2009 7:04 AM PDT]

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Posted by: Litez
Posted by: The Dutchman
OMGWTFBBQ DUTCH HOLDS A SPLAZER IN THE TRAILER HE MUST BE TEH MASTER CHIEF!!!!

This is Halo: ODST. NOT Halo: Secret Spartan-ODST Hybrid Project 2.0

Buck is not Johns clone. End of.

-TDM


I've been trying to tell these kids that for the past week. I gave up a long time ago


I know what you mean.

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Posted by: cskrulz247
Actually you could have had the chance to see John's face if you played the halo 3 beta. If you have not seen his face then go look it up on youtube. They still look nothing alike so this forum is over.


The only problem with this is that Bungie put it there on purpose. It's actually the face of all the multiplayer guys. (Though I'll stick to the theory too so I can say I've seen John's face)

  • 06.05.2009 7:06 AM PDT
Subject: Could Buck Edwards (ODST), be the surviving clone of John-117?

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You're forgetting one thing...we haven't seen John's face yet so we can't compare.

Anyway, when did we see Buck's face?
In THE -blam!- DEMO OF THE -blam!- FIRST LEVEL. GOD DAMNIT PEOPLE. THEY WOULDN'T SHOW US THE FACE OF THE PROTAGANIST WE'VE HAD FOR ALL OF OUR HALO EXPERIENCES BY MEANS OF A CLONE THAT IS MIRACULOUSLY NOT RETARDED OR DEAD. What the Hell is wrong with all of you?

Calm down kid.
Why would they not show his face?
ASK -blam!-IGN BUNGIE DIP-blam!-E. Are you just now joining the Halo franchise with ODST?? We have NEVER seen the Chief's face. WHY in god's name would they now show it to us by a demo of the first level with a character never before introduced, who sounds nothing like him, and has no relation to the Chief in ANY way?

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Posted by: MaxRealflugel
You're forgetting one thing...we haven't seen John's face yet so we can't compare.

Anyway, when did we see Buck's face?


Go to this link to watch the opening cutscene of Halo 3: ODST. Buck has his helmet off for the majority of it.

I think your idea could be right, maybe different though. I would say either a real clone with a backstory and implanted memories, or John's older brother.

[Edited on 06.05.2009 7:10 AM PDT]

  • 06.05.2009 7:08 AM PDT

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In a halo book doctor hazely siad that all the clones died yong

  • 06.05.2009 7:23 AM PDT

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While it may be possible, I really, really, doubt it.

  • 06.05.2009 7:26 AM PDT
Subject: Could Buck Edwards (ODST), be the surviving clone of John-117?

I like shorts. They're comfy and easy to wear.

Good point, if he was the Flash-clone of the Chief, then his name would be John.

  • 06.05.2009 7:30 AM PDT
Subject: Could "Buck" Edward (ODST), be a surviving clone of John-...

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Posted by: MaxRealflugel
I suppose that's also possible, could even be a twin.

I will have to go back and look at the books, but was it ever mentioned if John was an only child? He could have had an older brother that feasibly could be the same "age" if his mom got pregnant again right away.

Maybe John's mother donated eggs so that another woman could have a child. I can think of a dozen other ways that John and Buck could be related.

  • 06.05.2009 7:52 AM PDT

I doubt that Buck is a clone of John, but I don't specifically recall that they said that all of the flash clones died. I thought they said something along the lines of that they should die and explained why.

That's why I think that someone needs to just outrught debunk this by posting the exact quotes from the book.

Though, as it's been mentioned previously, Bungie's canon flows so where contradiction exists, the new info trumps old with Games in Tier 1, Offical Adaptions (books, comics) and other material like tech info from the Art of Halo or Halo Encyclopedia would be Tier 2 and Marketing material and the like are Tier 3.

  • 06.05.2009 8:41 AM PDT