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Far fetched but possible. Although didnt Johns parents get killed after he had been abducted? By the Covenant attack on thier planet or something

  • 06.05.2009 12:10 PM PDT
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NO FOR THE LAST TIME

He is not a clone! god!

Let the thread die already!

  • 06.05.2009 12:12 PM PDT

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probably not.

I don't remember him being cloned.

and John is like 6 feet tall.


If you read the books, the children taken to become spartans were flash cloned sp the parents would never know about it. And John stands at about 7 feet. not 6.

To answer the OP I doubt it. The book said all of the clones made in the flash cloning problems ended up dead of natural causes.



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  • 06.05.2009 12:16 PM PDT
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I would like to remind everyone that this is the guy who is writing the prologue to Halo 3 and is doing a damn good job of it. It's a theory so stop flaming!

  • 06.05.2009 4:11 PM PDT

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I was about to start flailing random insults until I saw you wrote this, Max...Ah well...

Like you said; it is a long shot and I doubt it. Mis-direction seems to be the only direction we are sent on with Bungie, but that's not all bad.

  • 06.05.2009 4:13 PM PDT
Subject: Could Buck Edwards (ODST), be the surviving clone of John-117?

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Sounds pretty IMpossible.


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  • 06.05.2009 4:14 PM PDT
Subject: Could "Buck" Edward (ODST), be a surviving clone of John-...

Posted by: Dream053
The Truth about Flash Cloning

[quote]"What the hell was he up to?" she muttered. She felt her pulse quicken as she scoured his records. There were DNA profiles on each Spartans, and there were extensive files on the old flash clone techniques that ONI had used to replace the originals. Ackerson had followed the medial records of the replacements as they grew up, succumbed to congenital diseases, and inveitably died. He even had the bodies retrieved and autopsies performed.
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I agree, there is now less hope of their survival, except for one thing. ONI ran the whole thing and then the bodies were retieved and autopsies carried out.
So Catherine Halsey is only reading the report based on her hated rival: Ackerson.

Although this clone MAY have died there is still a possibility that ONI and ackerson were still up to something. Something that Catherine was quite unaware of.

  • 06.06.2009 1:45 AM PDT
Subject: Could Buck Edwards (ODST), be the surviving clone of John-117?

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yeah, i remember the book saying that his clone was pretty fail, he lived for like 6 months.

  • 06.06.2009 1:56 AM PDT

If the whole operation was set up by ONI and the mysterious DARE character is ONI, then who knows what will or has happened.

I still maintain that there is something more to BUCK.

  • 06.07.2009 9:38 AM PDT
Subject: Could "Buck" Edward (ODST), be a surviving clone of John-...

Perception is everything.

I think some people will actually start believing this because they want to and they think there's a possibility...just like they did with the time travel theory in the reach forum.

  • 06.07.2009 9:41 AM PDT
Subject: Could Buck Edwards (ODST), be the surviving clone of John-117?
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All clones of the spartans did not have a long life span. They all Died

All clones of the children were sent back to their respective families. So no one would know they were actually kidnapped. The clones all died several years later


John-117 Clone is dead

Go read a book, Its fundamental (the answer is in the Book: The Fall of Reach)



Its unlikley but not impossible.

  • 06.07.2009 9:49 AM PDT

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probably not.

I don't remember him being cloned.

and John is like 6 feet tall.


spartans were took away from there parents and cloned
the clone woud go back to the parents,
there you go and that clone could posablie be buck

  • 06.07.2009 9:58 AM PDT
Subject: Could "Buck" Edward (ODST), be a surviving clone of John-...

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Not quite sure which one is right, cos i can't remember the exact wording. However, Dr. Halsey says this in Fall of Reach

"All of the clones will die of natural causes [at young age]"

"All of the clones have [already] died of natural causes"

1st quote correct: Clones have died way before 2552 (when, as has been pointed out in this thread by MaxRealflugal, the op, John 117 is 42)

2nd quote correct: Clones are dead during the time of the novel Fall of Reach. This novel's plot precedes the halo CE events, which in turn, precede the events that will occur in ODST.

So sorry, but no cigar.

It would however be an excellent plot twist

However.... What if the UNSC took flash cloning to further steps, later on in the Halo universe's fictional timeline? What if a flash clone of John-117 was created in, say 2550, two years before the Halo games' time, being Buck? Is this possible?

Considering that in that universe it is possible to go to other planets in a matter of days/ hours, faster than the speed of light in another dimension, hmmm. Yes I think that cloning (which we have already accomplished with sheep etc.) should be possible in that universe, oh yeah, lets not forget reactive energy shielding to boot. I'm going to say that they probably have quite large advances in technology.

P.S. {In reference to using fiction from novels} Yes I know that Bungie did not write the book, so one could argue that they will not stick to this idea of the flash clones dieing at a young age as it is not their fiction. Problem is, I have read in some weekly updates , or heard in some podcasts, Bungie employees refering to the "Halo [fiction(?)] bible" and referencing pieces of the Halo universe fictional story line and objects/ characters. Including Dr. Halsey.

Don't ask me to find them as, and I'm sorry to say this, I have better things to do with about 48 possible hours, like revision *sad face*

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  • 06.07.2009 10:21 AM PDT
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Psh. Buck is voiced by Nathon Fillion.
By that alone
Buck > John 117

  • 06.07.2009 11:12 AM PDT

lol

  • 06.07.2009 1:39 PM PDT
Subject: Could "Buck" Edward (ODST), be the surviving clone of Joh...

ok like bungies not going to sneak in a spartan (we all know they want to)

  • 06.07.2009 1:55 PM PDT
Subject: Could "Buck" Edward (ODST), be a surviving clone of John-...

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Posted by: MaxRealflugel
As you may realise, none of any of the Spartans have the same first name. So this could mean that to complete the training/recruitment process all of the recruits have names chosen for them.

In addition to this, they only have first names. Maybe John isn't his real name.

And if it was Dr Halsey that stated the fact that all of the clones died, then that may be only what she knows. Maybe ONI faked the John clones' death.

There are a lot of possibilities, including the fact that my theory may be completely wrong about everything.
lol finally someone says it they changed the spartans names after the kidnapping so johns name could origanally be edward and john had luck which could have passed to his clone that could have let him survive i might be wrong about this(50/50 chance i am though.)this is an idea of it we will just have to wait

Dr. Halsey calls him John when she first meets him at the age of 6 and he responds, I highly doubt he would just sit there and let her call him John if his name was Frank or something. John was very competetive as a kid and he always won. He wanted people to know he was the best. So calling him the wrong name would not fit your hypothesis.


It is entirely possible that ONI changes their names upon induction into the spartan program. It is also feasible that when referring to his childhood, 117s new widely accepted name would be used, rather than his birth name. If John was not born on Eridanus II, his family may have moved back to Draco III after Eridanus II was glassed. It is also possible that 117's name has always been John, and that Buck's name is fake (doesn't mean his parents did it, he might know what he is.)

ONI and the good doctor have not always seen eye to eye, and she may have been led to believe that all the clones were killed, despite one or more surviving.

As for the differences between in height and voice... John 117 has undergone intense physical training since he was 5 in addition to a number of physical augmentations (along with the possibility of enhancement drugs prior to his augmentations). It is likely that John would not have grown up to be 7ft if he was not in the spartan program. As for the voice, John has had his muscle structure modified, voice is controlled by muscles, so he probably experienced a voice change after his augmentations.

  • 06.07.2009 2:10 PM PDT

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So the requirements for being Master Chief's clone is that you have to be 42 and in the army?

  • 06.07.2009 2:16 PM PDT

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It is neither provable or disprovable, therefore pointless to discuss.

  • 06.07.2009 2:17 PM PDT

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So the requirements for being Master Chief's clone is that you have to be 42 and in the army?


There are many other 42 year olds in the military, yet none of them are main characters in any upcoming games.

  • 06.07.2009 2:18 PM PDT

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he's a bit short to be our jhonny boy

  • 06.07.2009 2:20 PM PDT
Subject: Could Buck Edwards (ODST), be the surviving clone of John-117?

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I spend the Majority of time in TUE. :D

Don't even try this crazy idea.

Now you have planted it it their heads and we will never hear the end of it.


Its Spartan Bruce 117 all over again.

  • 06.07.2009 2:22 PM PDT
Subject: Could "Buck" Edward (ODST), be a surviving clone of John-...

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a good thought, but i doubt it . . . but the people who are using the chief's height as an excuse . . . well . . . he only reached 6 and some feet tall because off the spartan training, who knows what he would've looked like if john was never taken. NOT NOW JOHN pretty much explained my point. like i said, I highly doubt it, but it's possible . . . good topic.

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  • 06.07.2009 2:42 PM PDT

I think we've all noticed a number of similarities and differences between Edward Buck and John-117.
The height issue is something that we can't use as evidence to prove or disprove the theory as John has had his muscle and bone structure heavily augmented.

The age is one of the closest relations between the two characters that we have and although it is stated on Halopedia that John was born a year after Buck we can only presume that the individual that supplied the information, counted the years and came up with 2511.
Both of the characters, as far as we know, are 42 years old.

As for the clone issue we can't really say for sure if they are all dead. I know what everyone will say "It says in the book they're all dead", and I do agree but there are some inconsistences. Catherine states ONI created the clones so that the parents wouldn't become suspicious, but she later states that SHE initiated the clone production so that ONI wouldn't become suspicious.
So either its a genuine mistake by Nylund or something is afoot.

  • 06.08.2009 2:25 AM PDT
Subject: Could Buck Edwards (ODST), be the surviving clone of John-117?

Does anyone even read these?

His clone died.

  • 06.08.2009 2:29 AM PDT