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Subject: Please Bungie, remove the ability for ODSTs to lift turrets!

They act all big and tough when their on camera with their friends and their guns. But when you break into their house in the middle of the night and stick a gun barrel in their face. They cry like babies and and piss their pants.
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Well that's the scientific explanation. If you honestly believe you could deal with that kind of recoil, well enjoy your delusions. Bai.


Then again, the game is set in the future. We don know what material the gun is made of.It could be a much lighter material then what we use today. Just saying that using a real world example is not the best thing to do.

  • 06.03.2009 6:54 PM PDT

Posted by: mmmmmmmmmmmmort
Anybody consider that it's going so slowly because we are all trying to access it and it's not even supposed to be public yet?

Also, if that is the case, it means it's also slowing down for the employee...he's probably going to just get up and go to Outback for a nice Bloomin Onion and we're gonna all be left sitting here wondering what the heck just happened to our mystery man

Does it really matter?

IT'S A VIDEO GAME PEOPLE.

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  • 06.03.2009 6:54 PM PDT

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It's really just a strength factor, they could dual wield easily but im pretty sure because they aren't assisted by power armor, that their aim would be horrible with recoil taking effect from both guns, although in this case with a turret, I think an ODST might barely be able to carry one considering how much it slows a spartan down, let alone trying to fire it.

  • 06.03.2009 6:55 PM PDT
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Posted by: ZeroXFallen
We're forgetting about Elites here, people! :(
Also, Grunts are a little shorter and probably stronger than the average adult male human. So if they can carry plasma cannons, ODSTs can carry machine gun turrets.


Grunts carry it over their shoulders. Also the structure of a Grunts body is much different from Humans, don't Grunts have a hardened exo-skeleton? Wouldn't that give them more strength and endurance for carrying heavy objects?

Then again, the game is set in the future. We don know what material the gun is made of.It could be a much lighter material then what we use today. Just saying that using a real world example is not the best thing to do.

Look how much it slows a Spartan down though, that has to be some heavy stuff.

[Edited on 06.03.2009 6:56 PM PDT]

  • 06.03.2009 6:55 PM PDT

I totally agree with OP, the ability to tear off a turret is kinda stupid and on top of that not being able to dual wield is weird. I don't think that a game based on sneakyness should have the ability to wield giant turrets if you can dual wield.

  • 06.03.2009 6:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: ABotelho
We've all seen it, and we all think it's retarded: ODSTs wielding the turret.

It doesn't make sense! Back when Bungie told us about the ability to rip off turrets, because we we're spartans, and had super strength was awesome, but now, it doesn't fit.





Don't forget about the Elites...we're already underrated.
It dosn't fit...but it's probably for balancing the game.

[Edited on 06.03.2009 6:57 PM PDT]

  • 06.03.2009 6:57 PM PDT

They act all big and tough when their on camera with their friends and their guns. But when you break into their house in the middle of the night and stick a gun barrel in their face. They cry like babies and and piss their pants.
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Posted by: Fusbun
Posted by: ZeroXFallen
We're forgetting about Elites here, people! :(
Also, Grunts are a little shorter and probably stronger than the average adult male human. So if they can carry plasma cannons, ODSTs can carry machine gun turrets.


Grunts carry it over their shoulders. Also the structure of a Grunts body is much different from Humans, don't Grunts have a hardened exo-skeleton? Wouldn't that give them more strength and endurance for carrying heavy objects?

Then again, the game is set in the future. We don know what material the gun is made of.It could be a much lighter material then what we use today. Just saying that using a real world example is not the best thing to do.

Look how much it slows a Spartan down though, that has to be some heavy stuff.


That's all for gameplay reasons. And that is why the ODST can carry the turret. Gameplay reasons, which to be honest does not need a full incredibly deep explanation.

  • 06.03.2009 6:58 PM PDT

logically yes, it shouldn't happen.

Truthfully - no, gameplay > logic.

  • 06.03.2009 7:00 PM PDT

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Okay, so with the ammo type factoid about modern Gatling Guns, I say ODSTs should not be able to wield dismounted turrets. By by that, they also shouldn't be able to use Missile Pods, Plasma Cannons, or Flamethrowers. The last of which was featured in the Halo 3 campaign by a Marine.

Still, we don't know to what extent the ODSTs may have been augmented or how heavy the turret actually is. After all, these troopers do look a little more awesome than the Master Chief...

I first said they shouldn't then I understood the reason. So, I say again. However it is, deal with it. They're probably not being removed or it could have been a far earlier version where they already were. You can choose not to pick them up, after all.

  • 06.03.2009 7:00 PM PDT

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Considering the thing slows down Spartans and Elites, the ODST should be moving really, really slowly, if at all.

  • 06.03.2009 7:00 PM PDT

I just realized how awesome wrecking the enemy team with a Focus Rifle from atop the Spire is. It's magical. It's like Concussion Rifle vs Sword/Shotgun.

How bout we forget about it.....its not worth us banging our keyboards trying to prove a point let bungie do what they want the game is still gonna be awesome its not the end of the world because dual weilding is gone....

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That's all for gameplay reasons. And that is why the ODST can carry the turret. Gameplay reasons, which to be honest does not need a full incredibly deep explanation.

Gameplay reasons which contradict canon can drag an experience down. Since Bungie is this far into development and it will release with ODSTs being able to carry around turrets, I'll always have the nagging thought of "Oah man, this is so freakin' stupid. This guy ain't DA CHIEF"

Epic emphasis.

How bout we forget about it.....its not worth us banging our keyboards trying to prove a point let bungie do what they want the game is still gonna be awesome its not the end of the world because dual weilding is gone....

Only idiots bang their keyboards trying to prove a point to somebody over the Internet. Some people, however, use rationale and civil arguments to bring up discussion.

Still, we don't know to what extent the ODSTs may have been augmented or how heavy the turret actually is. After all, these troopers do look a little more awesome than the Master Chief...

In a side-by-side comparison of size, you'd probably realize why the Chief was easily capable of taking on 3 ODSTs solo without his armour on in a melee fight.


[Edited on 06.03.2009 7:03 PM PDT]

  • 06.03.2009 7:01 PM PDT

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I agree

  • 06.03.2009 7:03 PM PDT

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I think the reason Bungie got rid of the dual-wieldable feature was to decrease the "Action-Hero Factor" you had as the Chief. In ODST, you are not a Hero, just a soldier. Think of the experience of being a Spartan like a movie like "Wanted" or "300" where the Protagonist(s) is/are capable of pretty much any feat that would normally be impossibe, but nonetheless extremely cool. With ODST, they're trying to go for a movie like "Die Hard" or "Rambo", where the protagonist is in peak physical shape, gritty, and is more or less of an "Everyman" compared to to the previous movies. Picking up a turret and using it to hold a position is alot more desperate and realistic than dual wielding, which in reality, doesn't really help at all.

  • 06.03.2009 7:03 PM PDT

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It doesn't make sense at all. You should move much slower and be far more innacurate.

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Posted by: mike120593
I think the reason Bungie got rid of the dual-wieldable feature was to decrease the "Action-Hero Factor" you had as the Chief. In ODST, you are not a Hero, just a soldier. Think of the experience of being a Spartan like a movie like "Wanted" or "300" where the Protagonist(s) is/are capable of pretty much any feat that would normally be impossibe, but nonetheless extremely cool. With ODST, they're trying to go for a movie like "Die Hard" or "Rambo", where the protagonist is in peak physical shape, gritty, and is more or less of an "Everyman" compared to to the previous movies. Picking up a turret and using it to hold a position is alot more desperate and realistic than dual wielding, which in reality, doesn't really help at all.


I was going with the "why the hell can we rip off turrets" thing until this.

That.... adds appeal to the concept. It does give a certain feel of desperation to be laying down on the trigger of a turret, watching your ammo counter drop from 200 at an alarming rate as you realize the moment that gun stops spinning you are going to be torn apart by a swarm of drones trying to come in that alley in front of you.

..... keep it.

  • 06.03.2009 7:15 PM PDT

I just realized how awesome wrecking the enemy team with a Focus Rifle from atop the Spire is. It's magical. It's like Concussion Rifle vs Sword/Shotgun.

Posted by: Fusbun
That's all for gameplay reasons. And that is why the ODST can carry the turret. Gameplay reasons, which to be honest does not need a full incredibly deep explanation.

Gameplay reasons which contradict canon can drag an experience down. Since Bungie is this far into development and it will release with ODSTs being able to carry around turrets, I'll always have the nagging thought of "Oah man, this is so freakin' stupid. This guy ain't DA CHIEF"

Epic emphasis.

How bout we forget about it.....its not worth us banging our keyboards trying to prove a point let bungie do what they want the game is still gonna be awesome its not the end of the world because dual weilding is gone....

Only idiots bang their keyboards trying to prove a point to somebody over the Internet. Some people, however, use rationale and civil arguments to bring up discussion.

Still, we don't know to what extent the ODSTs may have been augmented or how heavy the turret actually is. After all, these troopers do look a little more awesome than the Master Chief...

In a side-by-side comparison of size, you'd probably realize why the Chief was easily capable of taking on 3 ODSTs solo without his armour on in a melee fight.
Well said i dont bang on my keyboard lol

[Edited on 06.03.2009 7:20 PM PDT]

  • 06.03.2009 7:20 PM PDT

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I don't think ODSTs wielding turrets is retarded at all, its just plain awesome!

  • 06.03.2009 7:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: sniper got game
Please, PLEASE stop you complaining. Jesus, they should keep it, as they obviously have reasons for keeping it there in the first place. Its fine how it is, I don't mind being able to have a huge turret.

We don't all hate it, I'm glad you can have a turret, it will be useful in Firefight. Your are not the spokesperson for Bungie fans, so don't speak for everyone, though you are entitled to your opinion.
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  • 06.03.2009 7:25 PM PDT
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I've got a feeling it's an ability exclusive to only one of the ODST. The heavy weapons guys, what his name? They only ever showed one ODST carrying a turret.
And I'm thinking each ODST will have their own set of specialties. Theres already one shown as a sniper specifically.

I think that will come into play with fire fight. Who you pick probably decides what weapons you spawn with and possibly a few other abilities.

[Edited on 06.03.2009 7:35 PM PDT]

  • 06.03.2009 7:34 PM PDT

I'm more angered that the Battle Rilfe hasn't made a show, but the AR has been seen! That also we can't use equipment, cause I guess the ODST are too retarded to figure things out.

  • 06.03.2009 7:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: The Alcotai
So you would deny badass soldiers the right to run rampant with gatling guns? You disgust me.



What kind of retard would not want this? Suck it up

And the poll shows that majority of people want you to hold turrets.

  • 06.03.2009 7:41 PM PDT

I thought that only Spartans could do that. It doesn't look 'retarded' as the OP says, but it is quit idiotic. I say remove it.

  • 06.03.2009 7:43 PM PDT

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ODSTs probably shouldn't be able to rip turrets off from their stand; they're mounted for christ's sake.

But if turrets get blown off, then it seems realistic enough that they could lift them.

After all, a marine in real life can weild a minigun, so why not here?

Watch Predator for proof.

XD

Either way, unrealistic or not, this ability will be killer in higher waves of firefight!

[Edited on 06.03.2009 7:47 PM PDT]

  • 06.03.2009 7:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: Qwaar
Posted by: mike120593
I think the reason Bungie got rid of the dual-wieldable feature was to decrease the "Action-Hero Factor" you had as the Chief. In ODST, you are not a Hero, just a soldier. Think of the experience of being a Spartan like a movie like "Wanted" or "300" where the Protagonist(s) is/are capable of pretty much any feat that would normally be impossibe, but nonetheless extremely cool. With ODST, they're trying to go for a movie like "Die Hard" or "Rambo", where the protagonist is in peak physical shape, gritty, and is more or less of an "Everyman" compared to to the previous movies. Picking up a turret and using it to hold a position is alot more desperate and realistic than dual wielding, which in reality, doesn't really help at all.


I was going with the "why the hell can we rip off turrets" thing until this.

That.... adds appeal to the concept. It does give a certain feel of desperation to be laying down on the trigger of a turret, watching your ammo counter drop from 200 at an alarming rate as you realize the moment that gun stops spinning you are going to be torn apart by a swarm of drones trying to come in that alley in front of you.

..... keep it.

Really? I was just wrote that as I was watching Die hard, so I felt I kind of drifted off too much =P

Guess not.

  • 06.03.2009 7:47 PM PDT