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after 25 people said "No" you still deny it. Wow, you are the most stubborn person ever! If your theory is correct then DARE is a brute


Haha. Wouldn't it be funny if that happened in ODST? I know I'd laugh if I remembered you saying that.

  • 06.03.2009 8:41 PM PDT
Subject: Proof That The Rookie Is The Master Chief --UPDATED--

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Posted by: Halo 2 Rookie
Summary: this isn't proof, or evidence. This is speculation. Don't brag that you have proof. Especially with as many unknowns as there are.
Ok I'll rename it to THEORY. Happy?

Posted by: GhostNXGSprite
In your update #3, you mentioned that John could be any age. Wrong. In Earth years, John is currently 42 years old, but due to slip space and how it distorts the body's aging function, John's age is halved, making him at least 21. Also, the Spartan augmentation progress altered the physical features as well. I quote "By the age of 14, John had the body of an 18 year old athlete".
I don't understand the significance. Either way it fits in Rookie's bio.

Posted by: Deidg Nactal
interesting theory, but is it too much for the game audience to handle? I think so. Not to mention the whole 40 some odd year old "Rookie". Why wouldn't he join the core sooner, considering the covenant invasion...
Ehh... maybe then ^Ghost^ has a point?

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Could possibly be his clone...but I'm pretty sure a super secret government project would've made sure that all of the flash clones of the children died.

  • 06.03.2009 8:41 PM PDT
Subject: Proof That The Rookie Is The Master Chief --UPDATE 2--

Posted by: sharpace77
Posted by: GhostNXGSprite
Posted by: sharpace77
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Reasons why you are an idiot.
1. Flash clones die in less than a month
2. Flash clones have no brain or conscious being
3. Each Word In Your Title Is Capitalized.
4. Just because he has JD in his service tag doesn't automatically mean those are his initials
5. Even if they are, J does not automatically mean John
6. Both John-117 and The Rookie do not have specified names in order to create a sense of mystery around their character, so the player can feel more like they are the protagonist, not to create some crazy conspiracy that they are one in the same. Not to mention that Jon-117 is 7' tall and The Rookie is 186cm tall, or just over 6'.

1. Proof that John did.
2. Then why did they copy Dr. Hasley's brain.
3. No comment.
4. It is speculation. As in possible.
5. Look up.^
6. Once again, a clone. Developed differently.

And also, we all know that Dr. Hasley was immediatly obsessed with John. Therefore she could have broken protocole.

In addition, Dr. Hasley left with Kelly in The First Strike. Kelly was the second most gifted of all the spartans. Therefore she could taken Kelly to the CLONE of John. who knows why. Dr. Hasley loved them both.
2. That's the idea. Flash cloning body parts and organs requires medical scientists to take a cell smaple of the organ or body part in question, and rapidly multiply the cells to form an exact duplicate of the organ or body part in question. However, human flash cloning, is stated and branded illegal by the UNSC, because human flash cloning is getting an embryo and quickly making it grow and nurture, making it unnatural. This speeding up causes deformations in the clone, and later, this leads to physcological illnesses, and organ failure, then death.

Ok, I'll spell it out:
Dr. Hasley was obsessed with John.
Dr. Hasley copies John as a backup plan.
This is illegal.
Dr. Hasley doesn't care.
She DOES NOT want her pet project to fail.
And yet, it has, as that extra clone you theorize to exist is dead, as flash cloning humans is imperfect. Stop being stubborn, that's a bad quality.

  • 06.03.2009 8:42 PM PDT
Subject: Proof That The Rookie Is The Master Chief --UPDATE 3--

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First off on your original post, it is very confusing.

You are saying the Rookie is the The Master Chief, but you gone on to say that his clone is the Rookie, yet you still refer to him as John-117 and The Master Chief

I believe you may be getting a lot of criticism over this.

On the basis of your idea:

It is obviously not the real Master Chief, as we followed Regret the moment he left while the Rookie is just arriving. I'm wondering where exactly this theory struck you. The evidence seems etched together from odd places. The 117 we got from the trailer has a role, but then not. Correct, we do not know the fate of John's clone who was returned to his parents, but we do know the fact that most clones die off as many people have referenced.

I doubt there will be much connection to John in this game. From the presentations we have seen at E3, Bungie is stressing that we are no Spartan, and were fighting in someone elses' boots. I take this to heart and truly believe this to be a different story. I'm glad they gave us another view. I've been waiting for more backstories on the war and this is one great look into it.

  • 06.03.2009 8:43 PM PDT
Subject: Proof That The Rookie Is The Master Chief --UPDATED--

Wort, Wort, Wort!

hasley liked john, could have given his clone special treatment?

  • 06.03.2009 8:44 PM PDT
Subject: Proof That The Rookie Is The Master Chief

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EDIT: Also, they copied halseys brain for an AI, not for a person.
If you still dont believe the 50 or so people giving much evidence to the contrary, then i have lost all faith in the human race

You are not reading my posts. There is only one piece of "evidence" to the contrary, and I have addressed it multipule times.

  • 06.03.2009 8:44 PM PDT
Subject: Proof That The Rookie Is The Master Chief --UPDATED--

Posted by: sharpace77
Posted by: Halo 2 Rookie
Summary: this isn't proof, or evidence. This is speculation. Don't brag that you have proof. Especially with as many unknowns as there are.
Ok I'll rename it to THEORY. Happy?

Posted by: GhostNXGSprite
In your update #3, you mentioned that John could be any age. Wrong. In Earth years, John is currently 42 years old, but due to slip space and how it distorts the body's aging function, John's age is halved, making him at least 21. Also, the Spartan augmentation progress altered the physical features as well. I quote "By the age of 14, John had the body of an 18 year old athlete".
I don't understand the significance. Either way it fits in Rookie's bio.

Posted by: Deidg Nactal
interesting theory, but is it too much for the game audience to handle? I think so. Not to mention the whole 40 some odd year old "Rookie". Why wouldn't he join the core sooner, considering the covenant invasion...
Ehh... maybe then ^Ghost^ has a point?
And if The Rookie WAS a clone of Master Chief, he would be about 21, but due to the slip space effect, that makes him about 10 and a half? :O THE ARMY LETS CHILDREN JOIN THEM!

  • 06.03.2009 8:45 PM PDT
Subject: Proof That The Rookie Is The Master Chief

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Posted by: Halopedia
When Dr. Halsey and Lieutenant Jacob Keyes visited Eridanus II in 2517 to study him, they were impressed with his intellect and his luck. In a final test of his viability as a candidate, he was asked to determine which side an old coin would land on. He watched the coin as it flew in the air and caught it before it could land, correctly stating which side was face-up. Later that same year John, and 74 other six-year-old children were "conscripted", covertly kidnapped from their homes and replaced with Flash Clones, all of which would later die of natural causes to cover up the kidnappings.


BAM, here some proof

[b] Halopedia[b]

On Human Cloning:

Flash cloning humans is imperfect, and it is illegal for someone who is unauthorized to flash clone. Doing so would result with severe and harsh punishments for violators and is comparable to modern day child -blam!- in terms of severity. An embryo is taken and developed a hundred times faster than it would have naturally, becoming something different than it would have been. Many anomalies appear because flash clones are forced to develop too quickly. Flash clones have none of the muscle memory, the natural behavioral training most humans get observing people while growing up, of thier hosts. They can be trained with intensive therapy, but after a month or two, they start to degenerate from metabolic instability in a process called "Metabolic Cascade Failure" until they die from various neurological and physiological diseases


End of Thread,


Here I'll quote myself, no read the second paragraph, it gives reasons why the clones don't live so if one didn't work WHY WOULD THE OTHERS WORK????

Look dude, you are not reading the posts. Other people posted links, and I addressed them. Read my first post.

  • 06.03.2009 8:46 PM PDT

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This is actually...extremely plausible...

  • 06.03.2009 8:46 PM PDT
Subject: THEORY That The Rookie Is The Master Chief --UPDATE 3--
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Johns clone was quickly killed off due to a "Disease" so that no one had a chance to find out it was a clone. It says this in the books.

This is one of the stupidest (serious) theory's I have ever heard... No offense to you, personally, just your train of thought...

  • 06.03.2009 8:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: Duardo
Could possibly be his clone...but I'm pretty sure a super secret government project would've made sure that all of the flash clones of the children died.
Thank you. At least Durado is considering the fact. And to answer your post, Hasley could have made two. Just saying.

[Edited on 06.03.2009 8:48 PM PDT]

  • 06.03.2009 8:47 PM PDT

wow. obviously someone didnt read up on their knowlegeables. the clone DID die. end of that story. and while all of Halo 3 ODST is going on master chief is on delta halo doing his job.


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  • 06.03.2009 8:48 PM PDT
Subject: Proof That The Rookie Is The Master Chief --UPDATE 3--

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Posted by: Yo Mato Tu
First off on your original post, it is very confusing.

You are saying the Rookie is the The Master Chief, but you gone on to say that his clone is the Rookie, yet you still refer to him as John-117 and The Master Chief

I believe you may be getting a lot of criticism over this.

On the basis of your idea:

It is obviously not the real Master Chief, as we followed Regret the moment he left while the Rookie is just arriving. I'm wondering where exactly this theory struck you. The evidence seems etched together from odd places. The 117 we got from the trailer has a role, but then not. Correct, we do not know the fate of John's clone who was returned to his parents, but we do know the fact that most clones die off as many people have referenced.

I doubt there will be much connection to John in this game. From the presentations we have seen at E3, Bungie is stressing that we are no Spartan, and were fighting in someone elses' boots. I take this to heart and truly believe this to be a different story. I'm glad they gave us another view. I've been waiting for more backstories on the war and this is one great look into it.
I see your point and I'm sorry if that was confusing. I'll change it.

Oh and the clone wouldn't be a spartan as he does not have a suit.

  • 06.03.2009 8:50 PM PDT
Subject: Proof That The Rookie Is The Master Chief
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The flash clone lived over 33 years, yet escaped a planet that had burned to the ground by the covenant, and then wound up slipping pass the medical tests to join the marines.

Great theory.

  • 06.03.2009 8:51 PM PDT
Subject: THEORY That The Rookie Is The Master Chief's CLONE --UPDATE 4--

Posted by: sharpace77
Slipspace changes age. He COULD be younger...

Slipspace does not change age... I don't know where you got this info from. Maybe you could list the sources your getting your evidence from.

EDIT

Traveling faster that the relativistic speed causes the person thats traveling to age slower than everyone else. For example: Me and my friend are both 20 years old. I stay on Earth and my friend goes into space and travels at lightspeed. He comes back having expierenced 5 years of space flight. He is now 25 years old. But since i was on Earth i expierenced 10 years before he came back. I am now 30. (These numbers would not be accurate. I'm just making a point).

[Edited on 06.03.2009 9:05 PM PDT]

  • 06.03.2009 8:52 PM PDT
Subject: Proof That The Rookie Is The Master Chief --UPDATED--

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Posted by: sharpace77
Posted by: Halo 2 Rookie
Summary: this isn't proof, or evidence. This is speculation. Don't brag that you have proof. Especially with as many unknowns as there are.
Ok I'll rename it to THEORY. Happy?

Posted by: GhostNXGSprite
In your update #3, you mentioned that John could be any age. Wrong. In Earth years, John is currently 42 years old, but due to slip space and how it distorts the body's aging function, John's age is halved, making him at least 21. Also, the Spartan augmentation progress altered the physical features as well. I quote "By the age of 14, John had the body of an 18 year old athlete".
I don't understand the significance. Either way it fits in Rookie's bio.

Posted by: Deidg Nactal
interesting theory, but is it too much for the game audience to handle? I think so. Not to mention the whole 40 some odd year old "Rookie". Why wouldn't he join the core sooner, considering the covenant invasion...
Ehh... maybe then ^Ghost^ has a point?
And if The Rookie WAS a clone of Master Chief, he would be about 21, but due to the slip space effect, that makes him about 10 and a half? :O THE ARMY LETS CHILDREN JOIN THEM!
Actually, yeah. John joined at age 6.

And by the way, his growth sped up. Either way, it still is not a valid argument.

  • 06.03.2009 8:53 PM PDT
Subject: THEORY That The Rookie Is The Master Chief's CLONE --UPDATE 4--
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Posted by: sharpace77
First off:
1. I am only stating what could happen.
2. This please state reasons As in links: pictures, or anything else. NOT JUST LOGIC!!!

Many clues point to the fact that the Master Chief, whose first name is John (last name unknown) is really the rookie. This is impossible however, as during this time John was off on Delta Halo. But for anyone who has read the books, you know that John-117 was replaced with a clone so that his parents would not suspect anything. And this is where the thread begins.

Posted by: MaxRealflugel
The only difference is the where they live or lived. But we don't know for certain if John was actually born on Eridanus 2.He may have been born on draco 3 (like Buck) and then moved to Eridanus a few years later.
Then John was abducted and the flash clone was put in his place.

It also says on Bucks character profile that if he was any better, he'd be a Spartan.

Remember, Bungie is well versed in the art of mis-direction.

I know it seems far-fetched, but then so is the subject of a race of highly advanced superbeings that built 7 enormous rings in deep space.


This thread was posted a few hours ago, but speculates that instead of Rookie being John-117, BUCKS is. This would not fit however as far too much is known about his name, which does not agree with John's name. Therefore, BUCKS cannot be The Master Chief.

Posted by: Noskills117
I have found that in the field guide in the personnel section for all other members of the ODST Squad their initials are the last 2 characters of their service number... And the last two letters of rookie's service number is JD.

Therefore this means that his name starts with a J and his last name starts with a D.

Quick! scour the web for people who's name is J_____ D______, Or maybe see if there is anyone playing rookie's voice (if he even talks...)with those initials! Maybe a bungie employee!

Post if you have an idea who!! Of couses i hope i don't ruin anything : (
......

Rookie however can. His name and age are classified, so there is no barrier there. However, his service tag which ends in JD fits perfectly with the John we all know and love. **J=John, D=Master Chief's unknown last name.** Therefore it is very likely that The Master Chief is Rookie.

FOR:

John is the first letter of Rookie's name. (See above)

John could[i] be any age

Master Chief was cloned so his clone could be Rookie

And also, we all know that Dr. Hasley was immediatly obsessed with John. Therefore she could have broken protocole.

In addition, Dr. Hasley left with Kelly in The First Strike. Kelly was the second most gifted of all the spartans. Therefore she could taken Kelly to the CLONE of John. who knows why. Dr. Hasley loved them both.

Slipspace changes age. He COULD be younger...

Hasley COULD have made two.

AGAINST:

John's clone was [i]speculated
to have died along with the other clones. (Nowhere does it say he specificially died.)

Please discuss and add comments. I will list facts for both sides, so if you do not think it is possible EXPLAIN!


*sigh*

Just grasp this concept: John-117 (Master Chief) is 42. Slip-space makes his body 21. (I seriously doubt this but I've only read the first two books)

John's flash clone is dead.

If a real clone was made, it would be older than 21 (Most likely).

I'd say The Rookie is in his late 20s, early 30s (Speculation, not fact). This doesn't mean Chief and Rookie are the same person. The Rookie is a New Hero. That kinda rules out him being a clone of the Chief.

Find out when you play through the Campaign.

END OF THREAD!



[Edited on 06.03.2009 8:56 PM PDT]

  • 06.03.2009 8:54 PM PDT
Subject: THEORY That The Rookie Is The Master Chief --UPDATE 4--

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Posted by: EnragedAUSTIN11
wow. obviously someone didnt read up on their knowlegeables. the clone DID die. end of that story. and while all of Halo 3 ODST is going on master chief is on delta halo doing his job.


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Once again. Give me the exact post that says that JOHN, the clone of master chief died. Or that there was asecond copy of him.

  • 06.03.2009 8:55 PM PDT
Subject: Proof That The Rookie Is The Master Chief --UPDATED--

Wort, Wort, Wort!

If bungie felt like it technically they could do what ever the frack they wanted to...

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That's pretty good for 2 hours of music without explosions and people yelling. I don't care if you steal it, but God does...

A: in the IGN spot with Staten he was asked something along the lines of "SO UR NOT TEH MASTUR CHEEF?" to which he responded "NAH BRAH."

B: Being a clone of the Master Chief does not make him the Master Chief. Naturally, they originally may have been the same, assuming that the flash cloning didn't mess up the genetic clone, as it supposedly was wont to do (somewhere in First Harvest Halsey says that the flash clones die young or are prone to mental disorders). Assuming they were exact genetic replicas, remember that S-117 underwent experimental procedures to alter things like bone density, muscle strength, and cognition, making him not the same man, whatever the DNA might say.

Furthermore, Nurture vastly differentiates people. S-117 was raised by the military, while his clone would not have been. How many "normal" kids do covert ops as a preteen? assuming all of the facts in the paragraph above didn't significantly alter clones, these next years would have changed the boys irrevocably.

I was reminded of a pun while typing this, which I now shall share.
A married couple were pregnant. Or, well, the woman was. Unfortunately, they could not support a child. Going to the doctor, they learned that it was, in fact, identical twins. They decided to put the children up for adoption after being born, until they were more ready to support a family. When the children were born, they were named Jamal and Juan, and put up for adoption. Many years later, the mother received a letter from Juan, with a picture attatched. She showed her husband, and she expressed her desire to also see what Jamal had grown up to become. But the husband said, "They're identical twins though, so, if you've seen Juan, you seem Jamal."

One last note: Do the dates line up? The rookie is 28...

  • 06.03.2009 8:56 PM PDT
Subject: THEORY That The Rookie Is The Master Chief's CLONE --UPDATE 4--

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Posted by: HAVIK
The flash clone lived over 33 years, yet escaped a planet that had burned to the ground by the covenant, and then wound up slipping pass the medical tests to join the marines.

Great theory.

John was the best of the best. Therefore his clone would have been the first choice to be drafted for the UNSC when the war started.

EDIT: Sorry, his clone.

[Edited on 06.03.2009 8:57 PM PDT]

  • 06.03.2009 8:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: sharpace77
Slipspace changes age. He COULD be younger...

Slipspace does not change age... I don't know where you got this info from. Maybe you could list the sources your getting your evidence from.
I'm sorry, but I can't. Its hard enough answering all these posts by myself as it is. I really am sorry. If anyone finds proof, PM me and I will add it to the OP.

Oh and it is clearly stated in I believe the first Halo book (The Fall of Reach for those of you that don't know.) that Slipspace bends space and TIME. Therefore it is possible.

[Edited on 06.03.2009 8:59 PM PDT]

  • 06.03.2009 8:58 PM PDT

Cortana is Master Chief too.

  • 06.03.2009 8:59 PM PDT
Subject: Proof That The Rookie Is The Master Chief --UPDATED--
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Posted by: Noskills117
If bungie felt like it technically they could do what ever the frack they wanted to...


AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! BSG!!!!!! I will never watch the show and the commercials bug the crap out of me. Silon or Cylon or whatever is a dumb name. Frack is an excuse to drop the f-bomb on TV without getting in trouble. BSG is dumb.

My opinion.

In regards to the forum...no. Just no. Rookie = Master Chief clone is an impossible equation.

  • 06.03.2009 8:59 PM PDT