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Subject: THEORY That The Rookie Is The Master Chief's CLONE --UPDATE 4--
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Posted by: UrethaPoptarts
Cortana is Master Chief too.


No, she was made from Dr. Halsey's brain. (A scan of it)

  • 06.03.2009 9:00 PM PDT

Posted by: Darth Kooky
Posted by: UrethaPoptarts
Cortana is Master Chief too.


No, she was made from Dr. Halsey's brain. (A scan of it)


Dr. Halsey is also Master Chief didn't you know? So is Fleet Admiral Hood.

  • 06.03.2009 9:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: sharpace77
First off:
1. I am only stating what could happen.
2. This please state reasons As in links: pictures, or anything else. NOT JUST LOGIC!!!

Many clues point to the fact that the Master Chief, whose first name is John (last name unknown) is really the rookie. This is impossible however, as during this time John was off on Delta Halo. But for anyone who has read the books, you know that John-117 was replaced with a clone so that his parents would not suspect anything. And this is where the thread begins.

Posted by: MaxRealflugel
The only difference is the where they live or lived. But we don't know for certain if John was actually born on Eridanus 2.He may have been born on draco 3 (like Buck) and then moved to Eridanus a few years later.
Then John was abducted and the flash clone was put in his place.

It also says on Bucks character profile that if he was any better, he'd be a Spartan.

Remember, Bungie is well versed in the art of mis-direction.

I know it seems far-fetched, but then so is the subject of a race of highly advanced superbeings that built 7 enormous rings in deep space.


This thread was posted a few hours ago, but speculates that instead of Rookie being John-117, BUCKS is. This would not fit however as far too much is known about his name, which does not agree with John's name. Therefore, BUCKS cannot be The Master Chief.

Posted by: Noskills117
I have found that in the field guide in the personnel section for all other members of the ODST Squad their initials are the last 2 characters of their service number... And the last two letters of rookie's service number is JD.

Therefore this means that his name starts with a J and his last name starts with a D.

Quick! scour the web for people who's name is J_____ D______, Or maybe see if there is anyone playing rookie's voice (if he even talks...)with those initials! Maybe a bungie employee!

Post if you have an idea who!! Of couses i hope i don't ruin anything : (
......

Rookie however can. His name and age are classified, so there is no barrier there. However, his service tag which ends in JD fits perfectly with the John we all know and love. **J=John, D=Master Chief's unknown last name.** Therefore it is very likely that The Master Chief is Rookie.

FOR:

John is the first letter of Rookie's name. (See above)

John could[i] be any age

Master Chief was cloned so his clone could be Rookie

And also, we all know that Dr. Hasley was immediatly obsessed with John. Therefore she could have broken protocole.

In addition, Dr. Hasley left with Kelly in The First Strike. Kelly was the second most gifted of all the spartans. Therefore she could taken Kelly to the CLONE of John. who knows why. Dr. Hasley loved them both.

Slipspace changes age. He COULD be younger...

Hasley COULD have made two.

AGAINST:

John's clone was [i]speculated
to have died along with the other clones. (Nowhere does it say he specificially died.)

Please discuss and add comments. I will list facts for both sides, so if you do not think it is possible EXPLAIN!


*sigh*

Just grasp this concept: John-117 (Master Chief) is 42. Slip-space makes his body 21. (I seriously doubt this but I've only read the first two books)

John's flash clone is dead.

If a real clone was made, it would be older than 21 (Most likely).

I'd say The Rookie is in his late 20s, early 30s (Speculation, not fact). This doesn't mean Chief and Rookie are the same person. The Rookie is a New Hero. That kinda rules out him being a clone of the Chief.

Find out when you play through the Campaign.

END OF THREAD!


And it would be just like Bungie to screw with us. The Chief's clone is technicly a new hero.

  • 06.03.2009 9:02 PM PDT

Posted by: sharpace77
Posted by: LoneStaruner
Posted by: LoneStaruner
Posted by: Halopedia
When Dr. Halsey and Lieutenant Jacob Keyes visited Eridanus II in 2517 to study him, they were impressed with his intellect and his luck. In a final test of his viability as a candidate, he was asked to determine which side an old coin would land on. He watched the coin as it flew in the air and caught it before it could land, correctly stating which side was face-up. Later that same year John, and 74 other six-year-old children were "conscripted", covertly kidnapped from their homes and replaced with Flash Clones, all of which would later die of natural causes to cover up the kidnappings.


BAM, here some proof

Halopedia[b]

On Human Cloning:

Flash cloning humans is imperfect, and it is illegal for someone who is unauthorized to flash clone. Doing so would result with severe and harsh punishments for violators and is comparable to modern day child -blam!- in terms of severity. An embryo is taken and developed a hundred times faster than it would have naturally, becoming something different than it would have been. Many anomalies appear because flash clones are forced to develop too quickly. Flash clones have none of the muscle memory, the natural behavioral training most humans get observing people while growing up, of thier hosts. They can be trained with intensive therapy, but after a month or two, they start to degenerate from metabolic instability in a process called "Metabolic Cascade Failure" until they die from various neurological and physiological diseases


End of Thread,


Here I'll quote myself, no read the second paragraph, it gives reasons why the clones don't live so if one didn't work WHY WOULD THE OTHERS WORK????

Look dude, you are not reading the posts. Other people posted links, and I addressed them. Read my first post.


Look dude is called Genetics

Many anomalies appear because flash clones are forced to develop too quickly. Flash clones have none of the muscle memory, the natural behavioral training most humans get observing people while growing up, of thier hosts. They can be trained with intensive therapy, but after a month or two, they start to degenerate from metabolic instability in a process called "Metabolic Cascade Failure" [b]until they die from various neurological and physiological diseases


Now if the clone for example wasn't developed rapidly your argument COULD hold water, but it would not be the same as MC...well just the looks, the Clone would develop it's own personality


[Edited on 06.03.2009 9:05 PM PDT]

  • 06.03.2009 9:03 PM PDT

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No! I am MC And Rookie And the Arbiter!
I played as them all anyway...

  • 06.03.2009 9:04 PM PDT
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"It's not who I am underneath, but what I do that defines me."

Chief was born in 2511. In 2552 Chief is 41 years old.

41 year olds do not join the army or ODSTs that late in their lives.

  • 06.03.2009 9:05 PM PDT

Posted by: UrethaPoptarts
Posted by: Darth Kooky
Posted by: UrethaPoptarts
Cortana is Master Chief too.


No, she was made from Dr. Halsey's brain. (A scan of it)


Dr. Halsey is also Master Chief didn't you know? So is Fleet Admiral Hood.


clarification, i was being sarcastic.. -_-

  • 06.03.2009 9:05 PM PDT
Subject: THEORY That The Rookie Is The Master Chief --UPDATE 4--

Posted by: sharpace77
Posted by: EnragedAUSTIN11
wow. obviously someone didnt read up on their knowlegeables. the clone DID die. end of that story. and while all of Halo 3 ODST is going on master chief is on delta halo doing his job.


end of story.



period

Once again. Give me the exact post that says that JOHN, the clone of master chief died. Or that there was asecond copy of him.



just read the first three halo books and it says all over that his clone died

  • 06.03.2009 9:05 PM PDT
Subject: THEORY That The Rookie Is The Master Chief's CLONE --UPDATE 4--

The Arbiter is the Master Chief
R3MEMBER?!?? THe covenant stole master chief's clone data in reach and made a Spartan Elite which was the ARBIT3R but no one ever knew o_o

  • 06.03.2009 9:07 PM PDT
Subject: Proof That The Rookie Is The Master Chief --UPDATED--

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Posted by: Kapura
in the IGN spot with Staten he was asked something along the lines of "SO UR NOT TEH MASTUR CHEEF?" to which he responded "NAH BRAH."

Furthermore, Nurture vastly differentiates people. S-117 was raised by the military, while his clone would not have been. How many "normal" kids do covert ops as a preteen? assuming all of the facts in the paragraph above didn't significantly alter clones, these next years would have changed the boys irrevocably.

One last note: Do the dates line up? The rookie is 28...

1. Master Chief is not technicly the same person that Master Chief's clone is.
2. About 100. MC's group were normal when they were stolen. And plus, John's clone is not normal, simply because he is a clone.
3. The rookie's age is not specified.

  • 06.03.2009 9:07 PM PDT
Subject: THEORY That The Rookie Is The Master Chief's CLONE --UPDATE 4--

Wort, Wort, Wort!

Posted by: Duardo
Chief was born in 2511. In 2552 Chief is 41 years old.

41 year olds do not join the army or ODSTs that late in their lives.


ya but some wacked spaceslipstuff happened so something may be up and jd didin't join in 2552

  • 06.03.2009 9:08 PM PDT

Posted by: ROCK3TTman24
The Arbiter is the Master Chief
R3MEMBER?!?? THe covenant stole master chief's clone data in reach and made a Spartan Elite which was the ARBIT3R but no one ever knew o_o


i thought that was tartarus... wow, i was way wrong.

  • 06.03.2009 9:09 PM PDT

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Here I'll quote myself, no read the second paragraph, it gives reasons why the clones don't live so if one didn't work WHY WOULD THE OTHERS WORK????

Look dude, you are not reading the posts. Other people posted links, and I addressed them. Read my first post.


Look dude is called Genetics

Many anomalies appear because flash clones are forced to develop too quickly. Flash clones have none of the muscle memory, the natural behavioral training most humans get observing people while growing up, of thier hosts. They can be trained with intensive therapy, but after a month or two, they start to degenerate from metabolic instability in a process called "Metabolic Cascade Failure" until they die from various neurological and physiological diseases

Now if the clone for example wasn't developed rapidly your argument COULD hold water, but it would not be the same as MC...well just the looks, the Clone would develop it's own personality

But he would still be a clone. Sure, he would be different, but he is still cloned.

  • 06.03.2009 9:09 PM PDT
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Posted by: Marty the Elder
$9.99

That's pretty good for 2 hours of music without explosions and people yelling. I don't care if you steal it, but God does...

Posted by: Duardo
Chief was born in 2511. In 2552 Chief is 41 years old.

41 year olds do not join the army or ODSTs that late in their lives.
Thanks for checking that. This SHOULD be definitive that the flash clone != the rookie, in any sense.

inb4 they cloned him l8r.

EDIT: I mistook the date. My bad.

[Edited on 06.03.2009 9:16 PM PDT]

  • 06.03.2009 9:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: Duardo
Chief was born in 2511. In 2552 Chief is 41 years old.

41 year olds do not join the army or ODSTs that late in their lives.

But if there was a draft and MC was still fit, they potentially could. Sorry for adding this late but MC's clone could have joined when the war first started.

[Edited on 06.03.2009 9:12 PM PDT]

  • 06.03.2009 9:10 PM PDT

Wort, Wort, Wort!

BTW i shall defend this thread cause i got Quoted in blue(feels special inside) JD is MC clone!!!!!!!!! FTW

  • 06.03.2009 9:11 PM PDT
Subject: THEORY That The Rookie Is The Master Chief --UPDATE 4--

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Posted by: sharpace77
Posted by: EnragedAUSTIN11
wow. obviously someone didnt read up on their knowlegeables. the clone DID die. end of that story. and while all of Halo 3 ODST is going on master chief is on delta halo doing his job.


end of story.



period

Once again. Give me the exact post that says that JOHN, the clone of master chief died. Or that there was asecond copy of him.

Actually I've read all 6. and it still adds up.

just read the first three halo books and it says all over that his clone died

  • 06.03.2009 9:11 PM PDT
Subject: THEORY That The Rookie Is The Master Chief's CLONE --UPDATE 4--

Suck it Red!

it also said in the books that the flash clones had many problems and died soon after they were created. Also, the Chief is older than the rookie so that wouldn't work.

  • 06.03.2009 9:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: Duardo
Chief was born in 2511. In 2552 Chief is 41 years old.

41 year olds do not join the army or ODSTs that late in their lives.
Thanks for checking that. The rookie is listed as 28, so this SHOULD be definitive that the flash clone != the rookie, in any sense.

inb4 they cloned him l8r.

Nowhere does it say that the Rookie is 28. Sorry..

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Once again. The clone could be a normal clone and not an altered one. Support: There could be 2. Once again. Geez.

  • 06.03.2009 9:16 PM PDT
Subject: Proof That The Rookie Is The Master Chief --UPDATED--

The Rookie is 186cm tall (Just around six feet tall), Master Chief is around seven feet tall.

Not sure if that was brought up. I think I can find a better link verifying Chief's height later.

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Posted by: The Slayer
The Rookie is 186cm tall (Just around six feet tall), Master Chief is around seven feet tall.

Not sure if that was brought up. I think I can find a better link verifying Chief's height later.

Ahh but the chief was modified so that he could use the SPARTAN suit.

  • 06.03.2009 9:17 PM PDT
Subject: THEORY That The Rookie Is The Master Chief's CLONE --UPDATE 4--
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Posted by: Marty the Elder
$9.99

That's pretty good for 2 hours of music without explosions and people yelling. I don't care if you steal it, but God does...

I was incorrect. My bad. But he doesn't look like a forty year old man, does he? I wish I were as spry as he is when I turn forty. Remember that MC has had genetic and physical enhancements. ODSTs do not have the extent of supersoldiersurgery. And, while, I messed up the facts, your arguments are starting to have a faint air of grasping at straws.

  • 06.03.2009 9:18 PM PDT
Subject: Proof That The Rookie Is The Master Chief --UPDATED--
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Posted by: Rhea
Canada isn't that important that it needs two of the same threads on page one.

Posted by: The Slayer
The Rookie is 186cm tall (Just around six feet tall), Master Chief is around seven feet tall.

Not sure if that was brought up. I think I can find a better link verifying Chief's height later.

But, this was before John was made into a Spartan. So the clone (which I do not believe is John but this question can be defended) could have grown differently. Although I do not agree with him being John.

  • 06.03.2009 9:19 PM PDT

Posted by: sharpace77
Posted by: The Slayer
The Rookie is 186cm tall (Just around six feet tall), Master Chief is around seven feet tall.

Not sure if that was brought up. I think I can find a better link verifying Chief's height later.

Ahh but the chief was modified so that he could use the SPARTAN suit.

I'm pretty sure the suits were made for the Spartans, not the other way around.

Yeah, the armor wouldn't be the same for all of them. I am quite sure some Spartans were larger then others, etc.

  • 06.03.2009 9:20 PM PDT