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Subject: Do you believe in destiny?
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Poll: Do you believe you have a destiny? Do you believe in fate?  [closed]
Yes:  44%
(8 Votes)
No:  17%
(3 Votes)
Undecided/Other:  39%
(7 Votes)
Total Votes: 18

Do you think that there is something you were meant to do? Something you were meant to become?
Or do you not like the idea that you aren't in control of your life?
Or do you believe something else entirely?

And if you believe it has something to do with religion, so state. But only state it has to do with religion, don't discuss it.
I did an entire (public) school unit on this, so it shouldn't be too religious.

  • 07.16.2004 8:07 PM PDT
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You know, I never really thought about it....

You know, I also don't care...

  • 07.16.2004 8:11 PM PDT
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I'm destined to save the world. Yep. Save it with a minigun.

  • 07.16.2004 8:18 PM PDT
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I hope my destiny is one that will help man kind. I want to be remembered.

  • 07.16.2004 8:38 PM PDT
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Yes and No I believe we have multiple destinies.

  • 07.16.2004 8:40 PM PDT
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WTF Ex!? You trying to hit on me or somthing cuz I don't swing that way.

  • 07.16.2004 8:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: El Nacho
WTF Ex!? You trying to hit on me or somthing cuz I don't swing that way.


That was random.

  • 07.16.2004 9:09 PM PDT
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The question is this: Can we change the future? Or is it set in stone, unmovable?
I think its a little bit of both. Some things are going to happen no matter what you do, but others things can be changed by how you look at the situation.

  • 07.16.2004 9:14 PM PDT
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Good point, G.eyes

  • 07.16.2004 9:18 PM PDT
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Well I think destiny is what will happen. We have no choice but make the choices we will make- and these choices result in destiny.

I also like the time concept in the new Harry Potter movie (yes! Its dark!)-
Notice that time only happens once- you actually are back in time before you travel back in time!

  • 07.16.2004 9:21 PM PDT
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Posted by: Excommunicado
Well I think destiny is what will happen. We have no choice but make the choices we will make- and these choices result in destiny.

I also like the time concept in the new Harry Potter movie (yes! Its dark!)-
Notice that time only happens once- you actually are back in time before you travel back in time!


Exactly. You've already done it before you do it. But that movie had a bad example of time travel. Time paradoxes are horrible. And nobody can ever avoid writing them in when they write of time travel.

  • 07.16.2004 9:25 PM PDT
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No, man you always hav a choice look right now I could commiet suicide [don't worry i'm not going to] and that would utterly change many people lives not just people i know now but people would meet.

  • 07.16.2004 9:27 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

To quote (or something to the same effect) the great Neo:

"I don't like the thought of not being in control of my own life."

If destiny is real, I believe my mind would shut down at the horrible thought of it (no offense to any of you, but the thought of never being in control in any way frightens me)... But then again, my mind was destined to shut down, if its true...

I believe a small form of desitiny exists. If you are a "good" person, you are most likely "destined" to do "good" things... If you're "bad," the same thing aplies.... But I think being "good" or "bad" can be temporary, thus ruling this out in short-term.

But I don't believe in fate/destiny other than that little possibility. If it does exist, what's the point in living? You'd only be a drone... being "told" what to do unconsciously... Winding up in the same place, no matter what you do...

I like the thought of having choice.

Example: There is a cup next to me... I choose to pick it up, out of mere random thought. How can I have been destined to have such a random thought to do such a small task? If I had chosen not to pick it up, it was a not-so-random contradiction to the random thougth, thus, the cup would have never been picked up, thus possibly "changing" (the Future isn't certain yet, in my opinion) the outcome that could've been... Or was I destined to change my mind about picking up that cup?

Destiny just doesn't make sense to me...

Excommunicado, I think your posts rival that of Obbiquiets, in terms of interesting-ness.

  • 07.16.2004 9:57 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

Believe it or not, time paradoxes make more sense to my mind than this destiny stuff...

And I don't mean to anger or infringe upon the rights of anyone here by saying what I've said in my posts. Opinion was welcomed, so I said it. If I offend anyone (which I don't think I did), then I apologize.

  • 07.16.2004 10:00 PM PDT
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No, man you always hav a choice look right now I could commiet suicide [don't worry i'm not going to] and that would utterly change many people lives not just people i know now but people would meet.


but you're not going to commit suicide so that's the whole point right there, you aren't supposed to commit suicide

  • 07.16.2004 11:44 PM PDT
Subject: Eww!
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Jay wonders whether it's even determinable, seeing no way to know. We seem to be unable to know after doing something whether it could have developed differently or was predetermined. We at least have the illusion of free will, even if our reality is completely Newtonian. At any rate, one cannot control the destiny of another, only participate in it; one has no more knowledge of our future with which to control it than any other. Determinism seems for now to be logically indeterminable since we can't know whether what develops was predetermined...

  • 07.16.2004 11:49 PM PDT
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Posted by: Shai Hulud
Believe it or not, time paradoxes make more sense to my mind than this destiny stuff...
Jay does not believe in time paradox, not seeing how participation in one's own past is paradoxical. Hypothesizing that temporal displacement turns out to be legal, Jay sees no reason why acting on oneself can become paradoxical. Killing your parents before they spawned you should only violate causality if it depends on time being constant. If you can travel... uh... upstream, causality must not be downstream-only because your self that decides to travel upstream causes a newer version to be there! If one can travel upstream at all, causality must be able to as well since such travel would carry effects of causes. Jay figures that killing one's ancestors is a form of suicide by that ancestor. Hypothesize that a descendent of Jay comes back and kills Jay before said descendant's birth can be caused. The way Jay sees it, Jay has suicided (though perhaps involuntarily) by indirectly causing some one to kill Jay. Since the "murderer" no longer exists, all trace is cleaned up and no one ever is to blame. Jay would have only borrowed time to create a disposable causal line that removes (not destroys, just isolates) all trace of itself to accomplish something. Lol, It would also be rather ironic since Jay would commit suicide by spawning suicidal progeny...

[Edited on 7/17/2004 12:24:45 AM]

  • 07.17.2004 12:23 AM PDT
Subject: HAHAHAHAHA!!!! *Pfft*
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I am destined to take over the world.... I am Dr.Evil.

hahahahah!... *Pfft* err, never mind. :S

  • 07.17.2004 12:54 AM PDT
Subject: Sorta

Me: "OMFG, Dude... wtf!"
AbolitionofMan: "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to betray you."
Me: "That's the 4th time in this game alone!"
Chris: "Third, besides he had the flag I was trying to stop him, how was I supposed to know you were there."
Me: "I said, 'I got the Flag, don't shoot.'"
Chris: "Well those Wraith shots take a while to reach you."
Me: "You were right next to me, I had killed him and a minute passed before you decided to shoot."
Chris: "Hahahahaha, yeah... that was great."

I believe in Fate. IMO, I think Destiny and Fate are two different but similar things. Destiny to me is that you start at point A and you can only go to point B. To me, Fate is you start at point A and you end up at point B; however you can go to point C, D, E, etc. if you want along the way.

Achilles

  • 07.17.2004 2:23 AM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

Not to seem -blam!-y, but I think using numbers rather than letters would better symbolize your point, since letters are limitted in number...

;-)

  • 07.17.2004 8:21 AM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

But I still find all this maddening (not in an angry way, just an utterly confusing way)... To think that no matter what you do, the same thing is going to happen... As I said before, its like not being in control of your own life...

Oracles are maddening, too... Take the Matrix, for example (cool storyline with a crappy ending to it):

Neo doesn't believe in fate, but he's controled by it, nonetheless... The Oracle always offers him "choice:" Do, or don't do... But she KNOWS what he'll do,... she simply wants him to think he has a choice, whereas he doesn't have one anyway... its already determined. He becomes confused at this, just like I would...

  • 07.17.2004 8:26 AM PDT

I wish fate were true. If so, no matter what I did, no matter how much I suffer, I'll always know that I'd become something good in the end. I've actually wondering about fate alot lately, and so far I can't tell if it's real or not. So alas, I'm undecided.

[Edited on 7/17/2004 10:16:14 AM]

  • 07.17.2004 10:14 AM PDT
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We are not destined to do anything because one decision could alter everything. No one is destined to be good or bad because you can always change.

  • 07.17.2004 10:38 AM PDT