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Ok dude look I think the whole attention you brought to the books is great good reasearch but dude srsly think about it.

Your a new player wanna play ODST on easy and punch a Brute in the face you do it the Brute dosent flinch and rips your face off in one hit on any difficulty that IS not FUN.

New players will be turned off by this and would make it too hard for them to play the game I like the ability to Melee dont nerf it keep it the same it's still fun.

That's just my Two cents on the matter.

  • 06.04.2009 9:43 PM PDT

Posted by: DarkRathamantis
DeathBringer669:
Yea, what's with the unrealistic qualities in this game? I think my games that take place in a fictional time period with aliens and robots that control entire cities should be 100% realistic.


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The gameplay should fit the lore. The lore says only SPARTANS can have the strenght to do such thing.

Dont get me wrong, I put balance over lore anytime, but they should at least try.



i can agree w. u

  • 06.04.2009 9:45 PM PDT

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everyone whos ever played H1 would agree that its melee system was a screwed peice of crap.. making ODST like that would be like telling a random person to fight of a gorilla with a stick

  • 06.04.2009 9:45 PM PDT

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developers play it on a moderate difficulty at a show usually, in addition they put on god mod so they cannot die, its really just for the sake of keeping it in the time frame, but does take away to some extent the accuracy of damage.

  • 06.04.2009 9:45 PM PDT

@ Master X4456

No offense, but the new player needs to learn that that's the way the game is played. It's like giving him invincibility to make sure he can't die, because that wouldn't be fun.

[Edited on 06.04.2009 9:47 PM PDT]

  • 06.04.2009 9:45 PM PDT

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At the end you'll understand that the best drink to get drunk with is your own blood...

I am finally reading English based literature (I am ecuadorian, so I mostly read Spanish based), and I am finding 1984 by Blair something out of this world. I have already read 30 out the 100 Time Best Novels, who'd though English would be so enjoyable?

Posted by: ODST General
First off the melee is not the same as hand to hand combat, you have a weapon and while you may not be shooting it, it is much more damaging then using your fist or grappling with the enemy.

Second legendary is supposed to be what the story is like, feel free to attempt and melee a brute, you might get lucky and kill it........but thats not a very high success percentage.


Third we lost so many colonies because they could just retreat and glass an entire planet from orbit, as the books also state our only real victories were usually on the ground.


Three UNSC vessels could match the smallest Covenant ship. I dont know where you read that the Covenant could "retreat", they certainly are known for NOT doing so.

Yes, every major victory was on land, but there were only major victories when SPARTANS where present. I want you to remember what happened on REACH, when Fred and the others went to protect the Orbital Stations generators, and encountered that the UNSC forces where gone, completely devastated by the first wave. Same thing in Signa Octanus, Harvest (Cole had to try several times and lost many ships trying to recapture Harvest). And even in the Halo games, marines CANT compete with the Covenant.

  • 06.04.2009 9:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: Feakz001
Posted by: Hardly Hidden
It's a game.

/thread.

Aaaand my point is proven.

Its odd how people say that just because the game includes aliens and spaceships there's no need to be realistic. It's like they're just saying that they should throw all attempts at realism and canon to the wind because of it.


Well it's not very realistic to be shot in the face by a plasma weapon (which would kill a normal person) yet i can walk over and grab a med pac and be magically healed.

Also,how does a ODST realistically have a chance against a brute chieftain? Even a spartan has a hard time with them so how could a mere ODST fair any better?

  • 06.04.2009 9:48 PM PDT

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  • 06.04.2009 9:49 PM PDT
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Posted by: Feakz001
No offense, but the new player needs to learn that that's the way the game is played. It's like giving him invincibility to make sure he can't die, because that wouldn't be fun.


But still you think it's fun for it to be overly realistic?

  • 06.04.2009 9:49 PM PDT

In the end, Bungie isn't going to change any of these things, so I guess players who want to match the canon will just have to make a conscious decision to play that way, for example high difficulty, no melee, no running around with a turret, no noscoping, limited use of healthpacks etc. At least that's how I'm going to do it.

  • 06.04.2009 9:49 PM PDT

Estefano Palacios, 20 years old.
Current Clan: FUERZA ECUATORIANA.

At the end you'll understand that the best drink to get drunk with is your own blood...

I am finally reading English based literature (I am ecuadorian, so I mostly read Spanish based), and I am finding 1984 by Blair something out of this world. I have already read 30 out the 100 Time Best Novels, who'd though English would be so enjoyable?

I would like you to read my post above your post.


[Edited on 06.04.2009 9:50 PM PDT]

  • 06.04.2009 9:49 PM PDT

We'll know for the first time, if were evil or divine, were the last in line.

Personally I think in the books the covenants power is over exaurated. In the Cole protocal it tells how weak and dumb humans are, but in other books it discribes how the covenant dosent care about their troops and are not very well trained. Also it tells how most marines are well trained and in the halo games most marines are a huge help and are badass. That just covers normal marines. ODST are Elite, highly trained, tough-as-nails and sometimes insane (in a good way). Not to mention that they rank in skill close to spartans.

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  • 06.04.2009 9:50 PM PDT

Posted by: Master X4456
Posted by: Feakz001
No offense, but the new player needs to learn that that's the way the game is played. It's like giving him invincibility to make sure he can't die, because that wouldn't be fun.


But still you think it's fun for it to be overly realistic?

I think there's a balance to be struck.

And how is being able to punch out a half ton gorrila overly realistic?!?

  • 06.04.2009 9:50 PM PDT

Posted by: Feakz001
Posted by: DarkRathamantis
Well, so far I have loved the concept on Halo 3: OSDT. But one thing surprised me at the Gamespot feature when Joe Staten did in depth explanation on the first level of the game:
When he was playing he used melee attack to take down a Brute. This is, for me, completely nuts...

In Halo: Fall of Reach John was able to kill three ODSTs with his bara hands, on Halo: The First Strike he barely survived a fist fight against Brute, and as far as I am concerned no human other than a SPARTAN was able to take down ANY kind of covenant with bare hands (I have read all books, but Cole Protocol, and such thing has never happened). Taking the first two examples, extrapolating them and calculating the level of success of an ODST fighting against a Brute, we cannot argue that the ODST is incapable of even massaging a Brute to save his life.

For sake of the integrity of the story I hope Bungie really tunes down the melee when used against large Covenant. I can buy the idea of an ODST taking out a Grunt or Jackal with a punch, but a Brute? Give me a break.

Also, if four ODSTs (firefight) can take a whole Covenant platoon, why did the Humans loose so many colonies to the Covenant? (I have to note that one Elite obliterates four to five marines all by itself atleast it does so in the books, also, almost every ground battle was lost when the SPARTANS where absent)

I hope Bungie takes this into consideration, i cannot wonder what type of DEUX EX MACHINA they are planning to say in order to justify this things.


PD: Pardon my english, it is not my first lenguage.


I have asked similar things many a time in these forums, and the response is rarely any more intelligent than 'GAMEPLAY U N00B STFU' I would appear that the popular opinion is that without the ability to suckerpunch every 500kg alien you come across, the game just isn't any fun.

roflmao totally agreed.

  • 06.04.2009 9:50 PM PDT

I don´t like Br´s (bored rats)

Dont forget your playing as The best trained Humans in the UNSC.

im sure they have some skills

  • 06.04.2009 9:51 PM PDT

okay lets start again,this is the game.the books were really...real...the games on the other hand are not even close to real and so what they're ODSTs,the most badass marine there is,
i dont think many people are looking for a halo version of CoD

  • 06.04.2009 9:51 PM PDT

Estefano Palacios, 20 years old.
Current Clan: FUERZA ECUATORIANA.

At the end you'll understand that the best drink to get drunk with is your own blood...

I am finally reading English based literature (I am ecuadorian, so I mostly read Spanish based), and I am finding 1984 by Blair something out of this world. I have already read 30 out the 100 Time Best Novels, who'd though English would be so enjoyable?

I want to know where in the books does it says that the Covenant are not well trained... The books can't stress more the fact that the marines suck, the UNSC suck, and the Covenant are killing us with ease.

  • 06.04.2009 9:52 PM PDT

Hmmm. Maybe he was playing at a low difficulty like Easy which might also explain why he doesn't seem to take a lot of damage when being shot.

  • 06.04.2009 9:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: Feakz001
Posted by: Master X4456
Posted by: Feakz001
No offense, but the new player needs to learn that that's the way the game is played. It's like giving him invincibility to make sure he can't die, because that wouldn't be fun.


But still you think it's fun for it to be overly realistic?

I think there's a balance to be struck.

And how is being able to punch out a half ton gorrila overly realistic?!?



It's not but it's still fun I not trying to discredit you what you have said is logical but all I'm saying is it's a game.

If we want to throw in more Canon stuff no fuel rods should be weilded by Marines because in First Strike I believe Lockhear couldnt carry a Fuel Rod Gun but a Grunt could. Do you want it to be like that?

  • 06.04.2009 9:53 PM PDT

You're hitting him with the gun, not your fist.

  • 06.04.2009 9:53 PM PDT

Estefano Palacios, 20 years old.
Current Clan: FUERZA ECUATORIANA.

At the end you'll understand that the best drink to get drunk with is your own blood...

I am finally reading English based literature (I am ecuadorian, so I mostly read Spanish based), and I am finding 1984 by Blair something out of this world. I have already read 30 out the 100 Time Best Novels, who'd though English would be so enjoyable?

Posted by: NAC Renegade
okay lets start again,this is the game.the books were really...real...the games on the other hand are not even close to real and so what they're ODSTs,the most badass marine there is,
i dont think many people are looking for a halo version of CoD


The things is, this is new lore. This game is not some non canonical stuff (like halo wars). This IS Bungie official work on Halo. It HAS to be canonical, like all the Halo games have been before...

  • 06.04.2009 9:53 PM PDT

We'll know for the first time, if were evil or divine, were the last in line.

Posted by: DarkRathamantis
I want to know where in the books does it says that the Covenant are not well trained... The books can't stress more the fact that the marines suck, the UNSC suck, and the Covenant are killing us with ease.


You arent much of a people person are you? Or maybe....not even a person at all?

Who votes this guy is actually a brute. Dosent seem to like humans much....

  • 06.04.2009 9:55 PM PDT

Were it so easy.

Why do you think they give you varying difficulties , so everyone can play and have fun. As you hone your' skills you up the level and add skulls,(BTW , Bungie staffers have said in the past that the only way to see the Covenant in thier true glory is to play Solo Legendary All Skulls On [SLASO])

Try taking on a Brute this way , most will not enjoy the experience.

[Edited on 06.04.2009 9:56 PM PDT]

  • 06.04.2009 9:55 PM PDT

Posted by: Master X4456
Posted by: Feakz001
Posted by: Master X4456
Posted by: Feakz001
No offense, but the new player needs to learn that that's the way the game is played. It's like giving him invincibility to make sure he can't die, because that wouldn't be fun.


But still you think it's fun for it to be overly realistic?

I think there's a balance to be struck.

And how is being able to punch out a half ton gorrila overly realistic?!?



It's not but it's still fun I not trying to discredit you what you have said is logical but all I'm saying is it's a game.

If we want to throw in more Canon stuff no fuel rods should be weilded by Marines because in First Strike I believe Lockhear couldnt carry a Fuel Rod Gun but a Grunt could. Do you want it to be like that?

Yes. Besides, the Fuel Rod Gun (H1) is different to the Fuel Rod Cannon (H2/3)

Like I said before, in the end, Bungie isn't going to change any of these things, so I guess players who want to match the canon will just have to make a conscious decision to play that way, for example high difficulty, no melee, no running around with a turret, no noscoping, limited use of healthpacks etc. At least that's how I'm going to do it.

  • 06.04.2009 9:55 PM PDT