- DarkRathamantis
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Estefano Palacios, 20 years old.
Current Clan: FUERZA ECUATORIANA.
At the end you'll understand that the best drink to get drunk with is your own blood...
I am finally reading English based literature (I am ecuadorian, so I mostly read Spanish based), and I am finding 1984 by Blair something out of this world. I have already read 30 out the 100 Time Best Novels, who'd though English would be so enjoyable?
Posted by: ExaltedVanguard
Posted by: DarkRathamantis
Posted by: BBrulz82
He didn't kill the Brute with a melee. He punched it and then shot it in the face
Actually that does not matter. Do you have any idea how many Newtons do you have to produce to be able to move and beat the static friction created by the normal of the weight an almost half pound gorilla?
A half pound gorilla? It'd depend on the coeffecient of static friction, but even then I'd have to say.... not much. =P
And usually moving someone is more a function of changing their center of balance, which, normally, means a rough "rotation" of the body around the feet, forcing them to step back or fall over. So it wouldn't be Newtons; it would be Newtons-meters. And instead of friction it would be rotational inertia and all that jazz. Speaking of forces, how can battle rifle bullets flip a spartan-loaded mongoose, or push a hog to the point of needing course correction without moving so fast they vaporize or be so heavy they're impractical?
*ahem*
Yeah... Sorry... Couldn't resist. I... dunno. Yeeeah...
Anyway, I'm sure bungie will have an answer in-game, and if not, oh well. Go try playing Halo 3 for a day and never melee - see how much fun it is. Having great story/lore is wonderful, but at the end of the day gameplay is more important. If every flaw like this bothers you that much, I'm not sure... have you even played the other games, or do you just read the books and lurk the forums? Games are full of issues like this, and there's just no reason to worry about it if a fix would mean sacrificing gameplay.
I had not considered inertia on the matter, which is what it actually is, but that will certainly make the example lots worse (if people could not understand friction, inertia would make the go crazy). It would be interesting though to expose this in a more formal way, if I have the time after my classes I could get into it. (Though I have the feeling that it will get mighty complex, i hope my knowledge of physics and calculus are enought to get into this matter)
Still, lets assume the Brute is an infinitely small mass, actually lets say its volume tends to zero (cubic units), but the weight (as in m*g) remains the same, just for the sake of the argument. I still think that, considering his weight and that it standing on pavement (as you may know it has an extremely high friction coefficient) it would actually need lots of newtons. As proved in Animal Chanel (xD), a normal, Earth gorilla represents the Fudo Myo against a human.
Oh, and as I have said for the billonth time, it does not have to be exaggerated, the game does not have to be real, but they should try to make the Brute look as a mighty opponent. Melee could be used against Grunts and Jackals freely, but it only should be effective (against a Brute) when you are going to finish him or that kind of scenarios where the Brute has already received loads of hell. You are not making gameplay unbalanced. Its just like in Halo 3, I mean, as John you could not hope to melee a Hunter, or a Brute Chieftain, that would be insane! Same here, it is just one more opponent that is immune to melee (and not even immune, because as I have said, they could just balance it to make it look MORE immune).