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Estefano Palacios, 20 years old.
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At the end you'll understand that the best drink to get drunk with is your own blood...

I am finally reading English based literature (I am ecuadorian, so I mostly read Spanish based), and I am finding 1984 by Blair something out of this world. I have already read 30 out the 100 Time Best Novels, who'd though English would be so enjoyable?

Posted by: Striped Dragen
It also says that Marines would be killed or severely hurt from just one needle from a needler bu no one complained about that...


Truth, but in Legendary when a needle sticks in a marine he shows loads of pain, he stops shooting, he yells. So it truthfully grasps the feeling of the book.

I know there has to be melee in the game, I know it has to be functional at some level, but atleast give it the feel of the Halo lore.

  • 06.04.2009 10:16 PM PDT
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If we gave it the feel of the Lore then Grunts would kill us with Spoons cause their strongers then Normal Humans :S

  • 06.04.2009 10:18 PM PDT

Estefano Palacios, 20 years old.
Current Clan: FUERZA ECUATORIANA.

At the end you'll understand that the best drink to get drunk with is your own blood...

I am finally reading English based literature (I am ecuadorian, so I mostly read Spanish based), and I am finding 1984 by Blair something out of this world. I have already read 30 out the 100 Time Best Novels, who'd though English would be so enjoyable?

Posted by: Master X4456
Just let it slide dude bout one melee it's still gonna be a great game.


I know it is going to be a great game. I love the concept, the feel, everything. But this little details are what give the ODST feel to it. The feeling that you are not a SPARTAN, that you have to sweat it to kill a grunt, a jackal.

  • 06.04.2009 10:18 PM PDT

Estefano Palacios, 20 years old.
Current Clan: FUERZA ECUATORIANA.

At the end you'll understand that the best drink to get drunk with is your own blood...

I am finally reading English based literature (I am ecuadorian, so I mostly read Spanish based), and I am finding 1984 by Blair something out of this world. I have already read 30 out the 100 Time Best Novels, who'd though English would be so enjoyable?

Posted by: Master X4456
If we gave it the feel of the Lore then Grunts would kill us with Spoons cause their strongers then Normal Humans :S


They are stronger, but they have the IQ of a dog (this is a fact)...

  • 06.04.2009 10:19 PM PDT

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Wouldn't it depend on how much armour the Brute had on?

  • 06.04.2009 10:20 PM PDT
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Exactly dude even if you can beat brute down so what you'll still have fun with it it's gonna feel with it the grasp of an ODST. Your not going to be able to pull out duel Plasma Rifles and charge anymore or throw a grenade a 100 meters so the melee hasnt changed it still is fine the way it is.

Actually Grunts are incrediabley intelligent seeing as how they learned more then one of Earth's Languages (Has been stated before).

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  • 06.04.2009 10:21 PM PDT

Estefano Palacios, 20 years old.
Current Clan: FUERZA ECUATORIANA.

At the end you'll understand that the best drink to get drunk with is your own blood...

I am finally reading English based literature (I am ecuadorian, so I mostly read Spanish based), and I am finding 1984 by Blair something out of this world. I have already read 30 out the 100 Time Best Novels, who'd though English would be so enjoyable?

Posted by: Master X4456
Exactly dude even if you can beat brute down so what you'll still have fun with it it's gonna feel with it the grasp of an ODST. Your not going to be able to pull out duel Plasma Rifles and charge anymore or throw a grenade a 100 meters so the melee hasnt changed it still is fine the way it is.

Actually Grunts are incrediabley intelligent seeing as how they learned more then one of Earth's Languages (Has been stated before).


Yes, they know multiple dialects, but IQ has nothing to do with linguistic capabilities.

  • 06.04.2009 10:23 PM PDT
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Im not so sure about the flashback stuff in halo 3 ODST, also im worried about the open world area. I want this to be Halo, not GTA.

  • 06.04.2009 10:26 PM PDT
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It kinda does I mean there have been many times in Halo books where a Grunt has outsmarted and Elite.

Halo: The Flood for example a Grunt Yapyap outsmarted Zuka several times so apparently the IQ stated before doesnt matter.

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1. real victories were won on the ground, Covenant only won the planet b.c they backed out and glassed it.
2. Chief fought a Brute hand to hand. Saying as hitting it with the butt of a gun would amplify the damage of the ODST, which has an exoskeleton in his suit anyways.
3. Legendary difficulty is the real thing, how it is all suppose to happen. When we get the game, try punching a brute on Legendary and walk away...

  • 06.04.2009 10:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: Appreciate This
1. real victories were won on the ground, Covenant only won the planet b.c they backed out and glassed it.
2. Chief fought a Brute hand to hand. Saying as hitting it with the butt of a gun would amplify the damage of the ODST, which has an exoskeleton in his suit anyways.
3. Legendary difficulty is the real thing, how it is all suppose to happen. When we get the game, try punching a brute on Legendary and walk away...


Agreed and you just made me laugh cause I thought of the situation lol

*Punches Brute*

"I'm the best YAY =D"

*Growl then head ripped off*

  • 06.04.2009 10:41 PM PDT

....whut?

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He didn't kill the Brute with a melee. He punched it and then shot it in the face


Actually that does not matter. Do you have any idea how many Newtons do you have to produce to be able to move and beat the staitc friction created by the normal of the weight an almost half pound gorilla?


A half pound gorilla? It'd depend on the coeffecient of static friction, but even then I'd have to say.... not much. =P

And usually moving someone is more a function of changing their center of balance, which, normally, means a rough "rotation" of the body around the feet, forcing them to step back or fall over. So it wouldn't be Newtons; it would be Newtons-meters. And instead of friction it would be rotational inertia and all that jazz. Speaking of forces, how can battle rifle bullets flip a spartan-loaded mongoose, or push a hog to the point of needing course correction without moving so fast they vaporize or be so heavy they're impractical?

*ahem*

Yeah... Sorry... Couldn't resist. I... dunno. Yeeeah...

Anyway, I'm sure bungie will have an answer in-game, and if not, oh well. Go try playing Halo 3 for a day and never melee - see how much fun it is. Having great story/lore is wonderful, but at the end of the day gameplay is more important. If every flaw like this bothers you that much, I'm not sure... have you even played the other games, or do you just read the books and lurk the forums? Games are full of issues like this, and there's just no reason to worry about it if a fix would mean sacrificing gameplay.

  • 06.04.2009 10:41 PM PDT

it all makes sense but the fire fight mode makes sense because they cant dispense all of the ODST's or they'd be out and you only have so many its not just ODST's the majority is marines so that enplanes the why the UNSC lost so many colonies.

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Posted by: DarkRathamantis
Posted by: BBrulz82
He didn't kill the Brute with a melee. He punched it and then shot it in the face


Actually that does not matter. Do you have any idea how many Newtons do you have to produce to be able to move and beat the staitc friction created by the normal of the weight an almost half pound gorilla?


A half pound gorilla? It'd depend on the coeffecient of static friction, but even then I'd have to say.... not much. =P

And usually moving someone is more a function of changing their center of balance, which, normally, means a rough "rotation" of the body around the feet, forcing them to step back or fall over. So it wouldn't be Newtons; it would be Newtons-meters. And instead of friction it would be rotational inertia and all that jazz. Speaking of forces, how can battle rifle bullets flip a spartan-loaded mongoose, or push a hog to the point of needing course correction without moving so fast they vaporize or be so heavy they're impractical?

*ahem*

Yeah... Sorry... Couldn't resist. I... dunno. Yeeeah...

Anyway, I'm sure bungie will have an answer in-game, and if not, oh well. Go try playing Halo 3 for a day and never melee - see how much fun it is. Having great story/lore is wonderful, but at the end of the day gameplay is more important. If every flaw like this bothers you that much, I'm not sure... have you even played the other games, or do you just read the books and lurk the forums? Games are full of issues like this, and there's just no reason to worry about it if a fix would mean sacrificing gameplay.


Agreed no need to sacrfice gameplay over beatting something down

  • 06.04.2009 10:45 PM PDT
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Know what would really be fun, G?
I don’t wish to nag
But remake Coag,
Or die from a purple sword-lungie.

Books =/= games.
Master Chief can do things in the game that he isn't able to do in the books.

  • 06.04.2009 10:46 PM PDT
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Why did the ODST's suck until this game?

Because we didn't control them. >:)

  • 06.04.2009 10:50 PM PDT
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Posted by: dmg04
Why did the ODST's suck until this game?

Because we didn't control them. >:)



Lol now that makes sense :P

  • 06.04.2009 10:55 PM PDT

Here's my view:

They made it that way because you have to realize that Halo 3 was meant to be more open to more kinds of gamers. So hardcore fans weren't the only guys getting the game. Notice that Joe Staten put it on normal. Thats the easy going but sometimes challenging difficulty thats NOT EVEN close to the halo lore but it provides and easy going and fun but intense at times experience.

Thats why I will play as Legendary or Heroic. The melee damage will probably be more accurate then. So yeah I see where your coming from.

  • 06.04.2009 11:11 PM PDT
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I think he's playing on Normal difficulty...

  • 06.04.2009 11:14 PM PDT

I'm sure all of the books are as if they were in legendary mode

  • 06.04.2009 11:17 PM PDT

Estefano Palacios, 20 years old.
Current Clan: FUERZA ECUATORIANA.

At the end you'll understand that the best drink to get drunk with is your own blood...

I am finally reading English based literature (I am ecuadorian, so I mostly read Spanish based), and I am finding 1984 by Blair something out of this world. I have already read 30 out the 100 Time Best Novels, who'd though English would be so enjoyable?

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Posted by: DarkRathamantis
Posted by: BBrulz82
He didn't kill the Brute with a melee. He punched it and then shot it in the face


Actually that does not matter. Do you have any idea how many Newtons do you have to produce to be able to move and beat the static friction created by the normal of the weight an almost half pound gorilla?


A half pound gorilla? It'd depend on the coeffecient of static friction, but even then I'd have to say.... not much. =P

And usually moving someone is more a function of changing their center of balance, which, normally, means a rough "rotation" of the body around the feet, forcing them to step back or fall over. So it wouldn't be Newtons; it would be Newtons-meters. And instead of friction it would be rotational inertia and all that jazz. Speaking of forces, how can battle rifle bullets flip a spartan-loaded mongoose, or push a hog to the point of needing course correction without moving so fast they vaporize or be so heavy they're impractical?

*ahem*

Yeah... Sorry... Couldn't resist. I... dunno. Yeeeah...

Anyway, I'm sure bungie will have an answer in-game, and if not, oh well. Go try playing Halo 3 for a day and never melee - see how much fun it is. Having great story/lore is wonderful, but at the end of the day gameplay is more important. If every flaw like this bothers you that much, I'm not sure... have you even played the other games, or do you just read the books and lurk the forums? Games are full of issues like this, and there's just no reason to worry about it if a fix would mean sacrificing gameplay.


I had not considered inertia on the matter, which is what it actually is, but that will certainly make the example lots worse (if people could not understand friction, inertia would make the go crazy). It would be interesting though to expose this in a more formal way, if I have the time after my classes I could get into it. (Though I have the feeling that it will get mighty complex, i hope my knowledge of physics and calculus are enought to get into this matter)

Still, lets assume the Brute is an infinitely small mass, actually lets say its volume tends to zero (cubic units), but the weight (as in m*g) remains the same, just for the sake of the argument. I still think that, considering his weight and that it standing on pavement (as you may know it has an extremely high friction coefficient) it would actually need lots of newtons. As proved in Animal Chanel (xD), a normal, Earth gorilla represents the Fudo Myo against a human.

Oh, and as I have said for the billonth time, it does not have to be exaggerated, the game does not have to be real, but they should try to make the Brute look as a mighty opponent. Melee could be used against Grunts and Jackals freely, but it only should be effective (against a Brute) when you are going to finish him or that kind of scenarios where the Brute has already received loads of hell. You are not making gameplay unbalanced. Its just like in Halo 3, I mean, as John you could not hope to melee a Hunter, or a Brute Chieftain, that would be insane! Same here, it is just one more opponent that is immune to melee (and not even immune, because as I have said, they could just balance it to make it look MORE immune).

  • 06.05.2009 11:23 AM PDT

in all fairness, the ODSTs were not in gear when the chief killed them... but still yeah i know what you mean.

  • 06.05.2009 11:26 AM PDT
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Aka No_Consequence

Where the books written by Bungie? No
Therefor you can't say the to are one in the same. The book is merely very good fan fiction

  • 06.05.2009 11:27 AM PDT

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Posted by: DarkRathamantis
Well, so far I have loved the concept on Halo 3: OSDT.


Orbital Shock Drop Trooper?

  • 06.05.2009 11:27 AM PDT