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Bungie is screwing up a lot of the canon right now (i.e. ODSTs holding and shooting turrets,meleeing Brutes), but the game isn't finished yet, so we'll see.

  • 06.05.2009 11:29 AM PDT

Why does Bungie put us through such avid anticipation?

IT'S A GAME. Just have fun with it, man.

  • 06.05.2009 11:31 AM PDT

Estefano Palacios, 20 years old.
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At the end you'll understand that the best drink to get drunk with is your own blood...

I am finally reading English based literature (I am ecuadorian, so I mostly read Spanish based), and I am finding 1984 by Blair something out of this world. I have already read 30 out the 100 Time Best Novels, who'd though English would be so enjoyable?

Posted by: Appreciate This
1. real victories were won on the ground, Covenant only won the planet b.c they backed out and glassed it.
2. Chief fought a Brute hand to hand. Saying as hitting it with the butt of a gun would amplify the damage of the ODST, which has an exoskeleton in his suit anyways.
3. Legendary difficulty is the real thing, how it is all suppose to happen. When we get the game, try punching a brute on Legendary and walk away...


I am going to re write what I have written for like ten times.

I just want to know from what source did you get the knowledge that "Covenant only won the planet b.c they backed out and glassed it." That is completely untrue. Fifteen covenant vessels and two capital ships managed to destroy three orbital stations (the strongest military equipment the Navy has), and several UNSC ships (please on the level Cairo Station stand in one of the windows after the encounter with the Covenant to look at all the ships dying). On Harvest it was established that three UNSC ships could match only one Covenant ship. Dr Halsey and many other characters (including John and Mendez) repeatedly let the reader know how mighty the Covenant where. Also the process of glacing a Planet can only be begun after the battle had been won. It is now something that takes seconds. Its a long and time consuming action that would be impossible to perform in the heat of battle.

  • 06.05.2009 11:32 AM PDT

Estefano Palacios, 20 years old.
Current Clan: FUERZA ECUATORIANA.

At the end you'll understand that the best drink to get drunk with is your own blood...

I am finally reading English based literature (I am ecuadorian, so I mostly read Spanish based), and I am finding 1984 by Blair something out of this world. I have already read 30 out the 100 Time Best Novels, who'd though English would be so enjoyable?

Actually every single book has been written with the coperation of either Frankie of Joe. Cole Protocol was the first book not rivised by Frankie as he quit Bungie during the time of it's writting.

  • 06.05.2009 11:34 AM PDT
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Your friendly and eccentric Sangheili forum-poster. :)

I agree with the melee part, but that part where you said 4 ODSTs could take on a platoon of Covenant, well, if you read the books properly they even said that the humans could hold their own against the Covenant on the ground, only just though, then the Covenant would give up on trying to take the planet and just simply retreat back into space to glass it.

However like I said before I agree with the melee. Yeah sure it's a game, it doesn't have to be realistic but what fun is it just hitting everything all the time? You're an ODST now, you'll need to rely on weapons and tactics more than anything else.

  • 06.05.2009 11:35 AM PDT

Estefano Palacios, 20 years old.
Current Clan: FUERZA ECUATORIANA.

At the end you'll understand that the best drink to get drunk with is your own blood...

I am finally reading English based literature (I am ecuadorian, so I mostly read Spanish based), and I am finding 1984 by Blair something out of this world. I have already read 30 out the 100 Time Best Novels, who'd though English would be so enjoyable?

Actually, ODST's holding turrets I can buy. I know it is not supposed to be that way, but it is buyable (it that word exists).

But you are right, Bungie has always been pretty canonical (Halo Wars was a disaster and I seriously do not consider as part of the halo universe), but they are taking risk right now. Halo Reach can also be a really big canonical mess.

  • 06.05.2009 11:36 AM PDT

Estefano Palacios, 20 years old.
Current Clan: FUERZA ECUATORIANA.

At the end you'll understand that the best drink to get drunk with is your own blood...

I am finally reading English based literature (I am ecuadorian, so I mostly read Spanish based), and I am finding 1984 by Blair something out of this world. I have already read 30 out the 100 Time Best Novels, who'd though English would be so enjoyable?

Posted by: Honourable Elite
I agree with the melee part, but that part where you said 4 ODSTs could take on a platoon of Covenant, well, if you read the books properly they even said that the humans could hold their own against the Covenant on the ground, only just though, then the Covenant would give up on trying to take the planet and just simply retreat back into space to glass it.

However like I said before I agree with the melee. Yeah sure it's a game, it doesn't have to be realistic but what fun is it just hitting everything all the time? You're an ODST now, you'll need to rely on weapons and tactics more than anything else.


I would like you to read a post I made just a few post before yours... Oh and the best example of that post is Earth. The Covenant never ever glaced Earth. They took it only with troops, and if you read Halo: Uprising you'll know how inneffective the marines were rendered against them.

[Edited on 06.05.2009 11:40 AM PDT]

  • 06.05.2009 11:37 AM PDT

This strengthens my belief that The Rookie is a Spartan I. That's why most of his information is classified.

  • 06.05.2009 11:39 AM PDT

Estefano Palacios, 20 years old.
Current Clan: FUERZA ECUATORIANA.

At the end you'll understand that the best drink to get drunk with is your own blood...

I am finally reading English based literature (I am ecuadorian, so I mostly read Spanish based), and I am finding 1984 by Blair something out of this world. I have already read 30 out the 100 Time Best Novels, who'd though English would be so enjoyable?

Posted by: Wolverfrog
This strengthens my belief that The Rookie is a Spartan I. That's why most of his information is classified.


It is impossible for him to be is a SPARTAN I, that would mean that he is older than the chief, much older. If anything, your theory could be right if you consider him to be a SPARTAN III (from Ghost of Onix)

  • 06.05.2009 11:41 AM PDT
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I think you are over-analyzing...

  • 06.05.2009 11:44 AM PDT

Estefano Palacios, 20 years old.
Current Clan: FUERZA ECUATORIANA.

At the end you'll understand that the best drink to get drunk with is your own blood...

I am finally reading English based literature (I am ecuadorian, so I mostly read Spanish based), and I am finding 1984 by Blair something out of this world. I have already read 30 out the 100 Time Best Novels, who'd though English would be so enjoyable?

Posted by: Mizzou
I think you are over-analyzing...


My fist account in Bungie was Spartan No117, in which I registered in 2004. In those time everyone overanalized things, and it was fun. Everyone read the books, and everyone formulated great theories or critics. Now it all comes down to: "its gameplay"

[Edited on 06.05.2009 11:49 AM PDT]

  • 06.05.2009 11:49 AM PDT

Old School

Posted by: DarkRathamantis

Also, if four ODSTs (firefight) can take a whole Covenant platoon, why did the Humans loose so many colonies to the Covenant? (I have to note that one Elite obliterates four to five marines all by itself atleast it does so in the books, also, almost every ground battle was lost when the SPARTANS where absent)

PD: Pardon my english, it is not my first lenguage.




Na thats not true, humans usually won ground battles, but lost heavily in space, which therefore means marine vs big bad covie cruiser
result = toasted marine.

  • 06.05.2009 11:51 AM PDT

Estefano Palacios, 20 years old.
Current Clan: FUERZA ECUATORIANA.

At the end you'll understand that the best drink to get drunk with is your own blood...

I am finally reading English based literature (I am ecuadorian, so I mostly read Spanish based), and I am finding 1984 by Blair something out of this world. I have already read 30 out the 100 Time Best Novels, who'd though English would be so enjoyable?

Posted by: darkruby
Posted by: DarkRathamantis

Also, if four ODSTs (firefight) can take a whole Covenant platoon, why did the Humans loose so many colonies to the Covenant? (I have to note that one Elite obliterates four to five marines all by itself atleast it does so in the books, also, almost every ground battle was lost when the SPARTANS where absent)

PD: Pardon my english, it is not my first lenguage.




Na thats not true, humans usually won ground battles, but lost heavily in space, which therefore means marine vs big bad covie cruiser
result = toasted marine.


I beg you Dark ruby to read all my post. I just don't feel like answering to the same argument all over. In a nutshell, the Spartans won on ground. If the spartas where not there the marines ALWAYS loosed.

1) Signa Octanus, they lost a city the the Covenant troops (the Spatars then arrived to aid in the situation).
2) Earth, on Halo: Uprising we can see how the Covenant Brutes OBLITERATED the Marines
3) Reach, when the Spartans (fred and his team) went to the ground everything had already been destroyed.

Those are the clearest examples...


[Edited on 06.05.2009 12:00 PM PDT]

  • 06.05.2009 11:56 AM PDT

The gameplay should never be compromised for the story. Never make a game less fun in order for it to fit within the story.

  • 06.05.2009 12:00 PM PDT

Old School

with sigma octanus and Cote d'Azur, they reason they lost was because of overwhelming numbers that were dispatched from the covie cruiser.

With Reach, the covie fleets, got passed the orbital macs and managed to land huge amounts of troops. but as far as i remember, they also glassed the entire planet except for a few certain areas. the marines didnt get beaten easily, they were just out numbered and outgunned.

i mean thats the main concept of the war in the halo universe, humanity is out numbered and outgunner. the only things they have going for them is cunning and adaption to situations.

  • 06.05.2009 12:07 PM PDT

Estefano Palacios, 20 years old.
Current Clan: FUERZA ECUATORIANA.

At the end you'll understand that the best drink to get drunk with is your own blood...

I am finally reading English based literature (I am ecuadorian, so I mostly read Spanish based), and I am finding 1984 by Blair something out of this world. I have already read 30 out the 100 Time Best Novels, who'd though English would be so enjoyable?

Posted by: darkruby
with sigma octanus and Cote d'Azur, they reason they lost was because of overwhelming numbers that were dispatched from the covie cruiser.

With Reach, the covie fleets, got passed the orbital macs and managed to land huge amounts of troops. but as far as i remember, they also glassed the entire planet except for a few certain areas. the marines didnt get beaten easily, they were just out numbered and outgunned.

i mean thats the main concept of the war in the halo universe, humanity is out numbered and outgunner. the only things they have going for them is cunning and adaption to situations.


You have pointed some things that I agree with. But humans not only lack numbers, they lack strenght and discipline. An Elite can "decimate an squad of marines" quote of Joe Staten in the E3 2003 booth. It is true that a Jackal and the Grunts are inferior to the Marines, in both strenght, cunning, fightings skills, etc... But the Elites have the strenght and ability of a SPARTAN. The Brutes are weaker, but one sole Brute is much tougher and skilled than a Marine. And in this you hve to agree.

  • 06.05.2009 12:12 PM PDT

i also thought i remembered reading that only spartans could rip off a turret, but no...in the firefight pics we see an odst blazin' away with a turret...

  • 06.05.2009 12:12 PM PDT

No, it doesn't make sense. But in the end, it just doesn't matter, and it's just another thing you can do in the game to kill enemies. Just ignore it.

  • 06.05.2009 12:15 PM PDT

Old School

ye, im not arguin with you over that, elites and brutes are far stronger than marines. Elites are just as cunning, however brutes are definitely more stupid than marines and considering its one brute to a squad of grunts and jackals i think it would be fair to say, in ground battles, covies took more casualties.

  • 06.05.2009 12:16 PM PDT

Estefano Palacios, 20 years old.
Current Clan: FUERZA ECUATORIANA.

At the end you'll understand that the best drink to get drunk with is your own blood...

I am finally reading English based literature (I am ecuadorian, so I mostly read Spanish based), and I am finding 1984 by Blair something out of this world. I have already read 30 out the 100 Time Best Novels, who'd though English would be so enjoyable?

Posted by: darkruby
ye, im not arguin with you over that, elites and brutes are far stronger than marines. Elites are just as cunning, however brutes are definitely more stupid than marines and considering its one brute to a squad of grunts and jackals i think it would be fair to say, in ground battles, covies took more casualties.


Halo: Uprising shows another story (refering on the casualties suffered by the covenant), but I agree, that considering how imbecile the Brutes are, an ODST squad might prove to be better than a Brute squad, but just barely.

  • 06.05.2009 12:34 PM PDT

Old School

Posted by: DarkRathamantis
Posted by: darkruby
ye, im not arguin with you over that, elites and brutes are far stronger than marines. Elites are just as cunning, however brutes are definitely more stupid than marines and considering its one brute to a squad of grunts and jackals i think it would be fair to say, in ground battles, covies took more casualties.


Halo: Uprising shows another story (refering on the casualties suffered by the covenant), but I agree, that considering how imbecile the Brutes are, an ODST squad might prove to be better than a Brute squad, but just barely.



i never looked at halo uprising, i thought it wasnt actually part of the bungie lore,

  • 06.05.2009 12:36 PM PDT

lolwut?

Gameplay =/= Cannon.

  • 06.05.2009 12:40 PM PDT
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What I hear, "OMG GAMEPLAY IS T3H SUx0RZ! J00 suX @ M4KING GAMES BNGUE!"

The reason ODSTs can kill a Brute with a melee is simple: gameplay balancing. Let's think about this. Wouldn't it be cheap if you couldn't kill a brute with hand-to-hand combat? Seriously, if the only choice you have when you run out of ammo and grenades is to melee, then you should be able to actually kill someone with your fists.

Alright, look at this:
You have no grenades, your SMG ammo is out, and your pistol ammo is dwindling. You go up to a Brute, beat it down 6 times to break the power armor, then follow-through with 4 more punches to kill it. Obviously, by the time you even get 3 punches off on Legendary difficulty, you will die. Do you know how many complaint letters Bungie will get if this ever happens?

Gameplay balancing:
You have no grenades, ammo low, etc. You go up to a Brute, melee it once or twice to break the power armor, and beat it down a couple more times to kill it. It takes a while to kill a Brute with melee attacks only, but this way it is much easier and gives you a chance to actually kill a Brute with melee.

Minor details like this in a video game should not bother you this much. If you really lose sleep over this then step away from video games for at least a month.

I seriously can't believe you are complaining about firefight.
"The humans lost battles to the Covenant. WAAAAAAH!"
Are you really so simple-minded as to understand the true meaning of Firefight? I guess common sense isn't allowed on the forums...
Firefight by no means has to follow the Halo lore. OMG! You are SO stupid! Firefight is supposed to test your skill in the Halo games. I believe you are now trolling by even stating this.

I repeat, Firefight is only there to test your Halo skills by means of seeing how long you can last. A human is controlling a character in a video game. Video game AI can only be so advanced. Of course humans are going to be able to think better than AI. A Brute in Halo is not going to think, "Hmmm, I wonder if I should hide behind this barrier and send a couple of grunts behind that car and the other Grunts behind that wall. That way we can ambush this ODST."
No, only humans right now can think that.

As for Firefight, you and three other humans are fighting AI. You are smarter than them. You can think strategically; AI can only be programmed so far. Why should Bungie take this into consideration when the answer is so simple? Gameplay balancing: Learn it.

[Edited on 06.05.2009 12:44 PM PDT]

  • 06.05.2009 12:41 PM PDT

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"If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles." - Sun Tzu, the Art of War

The Rookie is on steroids, that's why!

  • 06.05.2009 12:50 PM PDT

First, he didnt kill him, he simply knocked his armour off when it was already on the brink of falling off because he had put a considerable amount of bullets into him.
and about four people not being able to stand up to all that, put 4 normal CPU into it and it would reflect a normal odsts skill level, but your a player character, so your most likely highly enhanced and better than them, so your not a normal odst, your BASICALLY a spartan ll, or better.

  • 06.05.2009 12:58 PM PDT