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Estefano Palacios, 20 years old.
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I am finally reading English based literature (I am ecuadorian, so I mostly read Spanish based), and I am finding 1984 by Blair something out of this world. I have already read 30 out the 100 Time Best Novels, who'd though English would be so enjoyable?

Posted by: LT RADCZEK
Yea, this is pretty much what I said in that other thread about this:

Since Bungie set up the demo just for E3, (I'm assuming) they could have made themselves stronger in the game, and it could be different in the full game, like you couldn't take as many hits as in the demo. And plus, that was only on normal, if you want it to be more realistic, just play on legendary. :) Also, I'm sure there are ways of being stealthy in this game, and avoiding patrols, since, why else would they give us silenced guns, and nightvision? Plus, Bungie has said that there are a lot of stealthy elements in the game, so I'm sure there are parts in the game where you can go all Splinter Cell on their asses.


That is a brillian theory. I can only see an lone ODST winning against a Brute using stealh, walking right up his face guns blazing is just not canonical.

  • 06.05.2009 5:39 PM PDT

Really a member since 2002 I was just undercover.

The books are based off the games. Not the other way around. If Bungie want an ODST with the power to punch a brute to death they can do it... They will probably end up writing a book about it later anyways that will explain it.

[Edited on 06.05.2009 5:41 PM PDT]

  • 06.05.2009 5:40 PM PDT

Estefano Palacios, 20 years old.
Current Clan: FUERZA ECUATORIANA.

At the end you'll understand that the best drink to get drunk with is your own blood...

I am finally reading English based literature (I am ecuadorian, so I mostly read Spanish based), and I am finding 1984 by Blair something out of this world. I have already read 30 out the 100 Time Best Novels, who'd though English would be so enjoyable?

Posted by: swordboy98
The books are based off the games. Not the other way around


Which is a good point and I agree. But even if you don-t want to take the books inconsideration, please let the ODST in the level The Ark by themselves to see if they can even run for their lifes...

  • 06.05.2009 5:41 PM PDT

Really a member since 2002 I was just undercover.

Posted by: DarkRathamantis
Posted by: swordboy98
The books are based off the games. Not the other way around


Which is a good point and I agree. But even if you don-t want to take the books inconsideration, please let the ODST in the level The Ark by themselves to see if they can even run for their lifes...


They could take out the one peeing in the corner with the sleeping grunts

  • 06.05.2009 5:43 PM PDT

Estefano Palacios, 20 years old.
Current Clan: FUERZA ECUATORIANA.

At the end you'll understand that the best drink to get drunk with is your own blood...

I am finally reading English based literature (I am ecuadorian, so I mostly read Spanish based), and I am finding 1984 by Blair something out of this world. I have already read 30 out the 100 Time Best Novels, who'd though English would be so enjoyable?

Posted by: swordboy98
Posted by: DarkRathamantis
Posted by: swordboy98
The books are based off the games. Not the other way around


Which is a good point and I agree. But even if you don-t want to take the books inconsideration, please let the ODST in the level The Ark by themselves to see if they can even run for their lifes...


They could take out the one peeing in the corner with the sleeping grunts


Hadnt thought of that xD

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ok i agree with everything OP says about getting raped. excep Onyx. 300 Spartans RAPED the covenant for 4 days. the Covenant had dropships and tanks and a MASSIVE ground force. Spartans had nothing. they were sent out to destroy 14 or something warehouses. they got 11. thats pretty good considering the covenant basically sent out a million friggen ground units after them. those Spartans got exterminated in the end because they were in a bad postition, low in ammo and sleep, and the ratio with the covenant was like 15;1

  • 06.05.2009 6:07 PM PDT

Estefano Palacios, 20 years old.
Current Clan: FUERZA ECUATORIANA.

At the end you'll understand that the best drink to get drunk with is your own blood...

I am finally reading English based literature (I am ecuadorian, so I mostly read Spanish based), and I am finding 1984 by Blair something out of this world. I have already read 30 out the 100 Time Best Novels, who'd though English would be so enjoyable?

Posted by: RippedSouls
ok i agree with everything OP says about getting raped. excep Onyx. 300 Spartans RAPED the covenant for 4 days. the Covenant had dropships and tanks and a MASSIVE ground force. Spartans had nothing. they were sent out to destroy 14 or something warehouses. they got 11. thats pretty good considering the covenant basically sent out a million friggen ground units after them. those Spartans got exterminated in the end because they were in a bad postition, low in ammo and sleep, and the ratio with the covenant was like 15;1


Yes, this happened in one of the attacks, but during the second attack the SPARTAN IIIs got beaten very fast, though I have to admit, I was mistaken, it took loads of Covenant and an air strike to do so. I will remove that example, it is more than anything a bad one, thank you.

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  • 06.05.2009 8:44 PM PDT

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  • 06.05.2009 8:46 PM PDT

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when are games and books the same?

  • 06.05.2009 8:48 PM PDT

Estefano Palacios, 20 years old.
Current Clan: FUERZA ECUATORIANA.

At the end you'll understand that the best drink to get drunk with is your own blood...

I am finally reading English based literature (I am ecuadorian, so I mostly read Spanish based), and I am finding 1984 by Blair something out of this world. I have already read 30 out the 100 Time Best Novels, who'd though English would be so enjoyable?

Posted by: McBeanie
*sigh* why does everyone need the game to be fixed up to perfection


It does not have to be perfect, or relistic, it just has to look and feel canonical. Right now the only thing that is deproving this game to be totally canonical is the melee. They just have to do it less effective against brutes and change the animation when the Brute recieves the hit.

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Not his bare hands.... He had a gun too you know.

  • 06.05.2009 8:58 PM PDT

Estefano Palacios, 20 years old.
Current Clan: FUERZA ECUATORIANA.

At the end you'll understand that the best drink to get drunk with is your own blood...

I am finally reading English based literature (I am ecuadorian, so I mostly read Spanish based), and I am finding 1984 by Blair something out of this world. I have already read 30 out the 100 Time Best Novels, who'd though English would be so enjoyable?

Posted by: Mendo08
Not his bare hands.... He had a gun too you know.


I makes no difference. Look, the Chief also has his weapon when he melees a brute and does the same damage as the ODST. That does not make sense. If you dont believe that it does the same damage check this. http://www.gouki.com/e32009/halo3odst.html

  • 06.05.2009 9:01 PM PDT

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Ya, I noticed the same thing when I was watching the video.


Bungie is putting this big emphasis on stealth and tactics, when you see someone in the video run up and smack a brute to death. Ridiculous.


If a spartan can kill a grunt in 1 punch, it should take 2-3 melees to kill a grunt/jackal. But for gameplay reasons, I can understand how 1-2 would work better.

However, it should take multiple melees just to take down a brutes shield, let alone his health.

  • 06.05.2009 9:09 PM PDT

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I agree with OP. On Sierra 117, you see the mini-video near the end, where the marine punches the brute. it did NOTHING. I don't understand how an odst hitting a covanent (maybe a shieldless jackal) would do any damage.

  • 06.05.2009 9:13 PM PDT

I think the reason most people feel let down is that Bungie hyped how it was going to be a stealthy tactical shooter, then gave you shields and the ability to run around punching aliens to death and hefting miniguns. If that's the way they wanted the game to play, well that's ok, but they shouldn't have gone around saying that it was a stealthy, tactical game that reflected the true abilities of an ODST. My 2 cents anyway.

  • 06.05.2009 9:23 PM PDT

Estefano Palacios, 20 years old.
Current Clan: FUERZA ECUATORIANA.

At the end you'll understand that the best drink to get drunk with is your own blood...

I am finally reading English based literature (I am ecuadorian, so I mostly read Spanish based), and I am finding 1984 by Blair something out of this world. I have already read 30 out the 100 Time Best Novels, who'd though English would be so enjoyable?

Posted by: Feakz001
I think the reason most people feel let down is that Bungie hyped how it was going to be a stealthy tactical shooter, then gave you shields and the ability to run around punching aliens to death and hefting miniguns. If that's the way they wanted the game to play, well that's ok, but they shouldn't have gone around saying that it was a stealthy, tactical game that reflected the true abilities of an ODST. My 2 cents anyway.


Well, do not quite feel like that. The night visions looks stealthy enough (hadnt it been for the god mode joe had on he would have died, for sure, and he was playing in normal) and the intensity of the daylight missions make sense, since you are helped by many marines (or atleast it dure looks like).

I do think the melee should be changed and the difficulty of the Brute Chiftains.

  • 06.05.2009 9:35 PM PDT

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You'll notice he hit the brute after it's shields were gone and it lived. It has been toned down. Take not that heroic is most akin to reality and Joe was on normal/ easy.

  • 06.05.2009 9:39 PM PDT
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  • 06.05.2009 9:40 PM PDT

Estefano Palacios, 20 years old.
Current Clan: FUERZA ECUATORIANA.

At the end you'll understand that the best drink to get drunk with is your own blood...

I am finally reading English based literature (I am ecuadorian, so I mostly read Spanish based), and I am finding 1984 by Blair something out of this world. I have already read 30 out the 100 Time Best Novels, who'd though English would be so enjoyable?

Posted by: Twisted Youth
You'll notice he hit the brute after it's shields were gone and it lived. It has been toned down. Take not that heroic is most akin to reality and Joe was on normal/ easy.


Please watch this video and tell me it has been toned down...
http://www.gouki.com/e32009/halo3odst.html

  • 06.05.2009 9:41 PM PDT

I tend to agree. I was hoping that ODST would be harder. It would have no shields, your melee would be a last-ditch desperate attempt at survival, and you'd be significantly shorter.

Seems to me that you're only slightly shorter, your shields are now "stamina," and your punch is as fierce as ever.


'Tis a shame. Maybe they'll change it before the game is released. But I doubt it. It looks to be most impressive all-despite.

  • 06.05.2009 9:44 PM PDT

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Well you did notice that it took two melees to kill a brute with no shields instead of one?
There is also the same thing with being able to rip off the turret.

[Edited on 06.05.2009 9:53 PM PDT]

  • 06.05.2009 9:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: CavemanToaster
Well you did notice that it took two melees to kill a brute with no shields instead of one?


Well, actually... a lot of times it took 2 melees as the master chief to kill a shieldless brute. But master chief is MUCH stronger.. so it still makes no sense.

  • 06.05.2009 11:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wikked Navajoe
My problems [with Reach] are basically just full parties, mlg, and people who go out of their way not to get killed.

I highly suggest you go back and read the books again. Human forces won on the ground all the time. Of course there were defeats but that was only when the Covenant forces outnumbered the UNSC forces by a dramatic amount.

Yes, ODST's are not as strong as Brutes or Elites, but you really seem to be taking this to heart and making it somewhat personal.

If it really means that much to you, don't buy the game. I'm going to be kicking Covenant ass in Firefight while you (hopefully) go back and read the books again.

  • 06.05.2009 11:10 PM PDT

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I highly suggest you go back and read the books again. Human forces won on the ground all the time. Of course there were defeats but that was only when the Covenant forces outnumbered the UNSC forces by a dramatic amount.

Yes, ODST's are not as strong as Brutes or Elites, but you really seem to be taking this to heart and making it somewhat personal.

If it really means that much to you, don't buy the game. I'm going to be kicking Covenant ass in Firefight while you (hopefully) go back and read the books again.


Woah there Viper. You also have to compare the results of battles with Marines and Elites and Brutes and Marines. IMO Brutes are tactically inferior and undisciplined. Also most battles won were with Spartans. And I don't think he's taking it personally. Read his posts and its not like he's not gonna buy it.

The only reason I see is because they were on normal. Thats why WHENVER I play campaign its usually on heroic or legendary (easy on glitches XP). But yes its impractical but Brutes are really dumb and they only pushed back by sheer force. An experienced elite would own any ODST. Or it would be close. Brutes are easy to read as they use primitive charge tactics. The smart ones are the ones piloting ships.

  • 06.05.2009 11:53 PM PDT

Were it so easy.

I understand your point. However remember ODST's are stronger than Marines, and the melee will be weaker than of a spartan.

  • 06.06.2009 1:28 AM PDT