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Subject: My Theory: Sierra 320 and Sierra 259 *Updated*

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...............There was never a pelican with the call sign of Sierra.

What makes you so sure of that? There weren't any in the books but I know that Bungie hasn't ever really went by the books.

ORLY? Go and Play Halo 1, and then read Halo: The Flood. Every part in the book that involves MC is identical to Halo 1. The books are based off of the Halo bible and the games are too.

That book is based off of the game. What I am saying is that the games are not based off of the books.
And where is this Halo Bible you speak of? I'm pretty sure that Bungie calls the shots and there isn't any "Bible" of anything Halo.

You obviously have not been here long enough to know of the Halo Bible, which has been mentioned by bungie over the years because they are the ones who wrote the halo bible.

The first 3 halo books and Halo 1 came out at about the same time, which means that the Authors were working very closely with bungie to adhere to the halo bible. The books were made to give background to halo 1, but both were made at about the same time, so one was not based off of each other. Both were based off of the halo bible.

That basically clears up all of my confusion.
I have been here for quite a while and I think I may have heard of the Halo Bible in the past, but I don't remember for sure.
Either way I am just stating a theory for the fun of it. Not to prove anything. Maybe it'll be true. Maybe it won't. And I'm not completely puting out the fact that they could be spartans, (in fact it makes the most sense) but I'm trying to make a new original theory instead of saying what everyone else is saying.

  • 06.05.2009 1:32 PM PDT
Subject: My Theory: Sierra 420 and Sierra 259
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Posted by: xZcNx MarcWagz
the halo wiki page is just guessing right now, don't take it as fact

  • 06.05.2009 1:33 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

My main problem with your theory is regarding who the Spartans are. I suppose that Bungie doesn't need to stick to the Book story if they don't want to, but the numbers 259 and 320 do not match any Spartans that we've read about in the books. Definitely not Fred and Linda (104 and 058 respectively). You do have a point that "sierra" isn't necessarily referring to Spartan, but I guess I'd place my bets on it actually being Spartan as opposed to something else.

  • 06.05.2009 1:40 PM PDT

Hi, I am the White Mamba Overlord of our group the ODSM.
We are not a clan, and we don't play the game for competition. Instead we play for fun, and to hang out with friends. If you are interested in joining go to our group homepage and sign up. Membership is open.
We are mostly a Halo 3: ODST group for help with achievements and stuff, but we also will play a lot of Halo 3 matchmaking.

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My main problem with your theory is regarding who the Spartans are. I suppose that Bungie doesn't need to stick to the Book story if they don't want to, but the numbers 259 and 320 do not match any Spartans that we've read about in the books. Definitely not Fred and Linda (104 and 058 respectively). You do have a point that "sierra" isn't necessarily referring to Spartan, but I guess I'd place my bets on it actually being Spartan as opposed to something else.

Yeah I threw the names in just as a possibility. It could work out though if it is the name of the pelican that the spartans are on.
Who knows?
Doesn't Linda have an accent similar to the one in the video though? Thats the only reason I put her in their as a possibility.

  • 06.05.2009 1:51 PM PDT
Subject: My Theory: Sierra 320 and Sierra 259 *Updated*
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Posted by: Tack ll7
That basically clears up all of my confusion.
I have been here for quite a while and I think I may have heard of the Halo Bible in the past, but I don't remember for sure.
Either way I am just stating a theory for the fun of it. Not to prove anything. Maybe it'll be true. Maybe it won't. And I'm not completely puting out the fact that they could be spartans, (in fact it makes the most sense) but I'm trying to make a new original theory instead of saying what everyone else is saying.

The reason why everyone says that Sierra 320 and 259 are spartans is because it is the most probable case. You have to understand that if you make a statement, you should expect the most extreme scrutiny of your theory. Wether you are making theories seriously or for the fun of it does not change the fact that people, like me take this more seriously and want to get to the bottom of this.


I'm going to analyze the dialogue as best as possible.

This is Sierra 259. You've got Spartans on the ground, sir.

Assuming that "Sierra" stands for Spartan, Spartan 259 would be the One in charge as he is obviously reporting that there are other Spartans on the ground to his superior.

We're not going anywhere

"We" tells us that the person talking has to have a squad with him, probably Spartans.

This whole sentence reminds me of how MC reacted to finding out some of his spartans were still on Reach in the book Halo: First Strike. Only a Spartan would respond that way, which further provides evidence that "Sierra" stands for "Spartan"

  • 06.05.2009 1:53 PM PDT

Hi, I am the White Mamba Overlord of our group the ODSM.
We are not a clan, and we don't play the game for competition. Instead we play for fun, and to hang out with friends. If you are interested in joining go to our group homepage and sign up. Membership is open.
We are mostly a Halo 3: ODST group for help with achievements and stuff, but we also will play a lot of Halo 3 matchmaking.

Well I did expect people to talk againsed my subject. In fact I want you to. I too want to get to the bottom of this, but I also want to have fun with it. I also agree that these are most likely spartans talking, but I wanted to put out a new idea.
The only thing I didn't want was people to flame on me for my theory and I thank you all for not doing that.
I guess we will just have to wait and see what Bungie has in store for us. Untill then, sad to say, nobody is right. =)

[Edited on 06.05.2009 2:02 PM PDT]

  • 06.05.2009 2:01 PM PDT

Forever there shall be war, thus forever we shall fight...

Sorry, no time to read this whole thread, but have you considered class two SPARTAN IIs? They were conscripted in 2537 and that is the only thing we know about them for sure, my guess is that they are Sierras 320 and 259.

But it is highly unlikely that Bungie would refer to two different Pelicans with the Sierra call sign, or any for that matter seeing as how Chief was Sierra 117 in Halo 3. Unless they are intentionally misleading us, something Bungie does not oft do.

  • 06.05.2009 2:12 PM PDT

Hi, I am the White Mamba Overlord of our group the ODSM.
We are not a clan, and we don't play the game for competition. Instead we play for fun, and to hang out with friends. If you are interested in joining go to our group homepage and sign up. Membership is open.
We are mostly a Halo 3: ODST group for help with achievements and stuff, but we also will play a lot of Halo 3 matchmaking.

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Sorry, no time to read this whole thread, but have you considered class two SPARTAN IIs? They were conscripted in 2537 and that is the only thing we know about them for sure, my guess is that they are Sierras 320 and 259.

But it is highly unlikely that Bungie would refer to two different Pelicans with the Sierra call sign, or any for that matter seeing as how Chief was Sierra 117 in Halo 3. Unless they are intentionally misleading us, something Bungie does not oft do.

Yeah I have considered that already, and it is possible, but i guess I just wanted to throw out a new idea.

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Sorry, no time to read this whole thread, but have you considered class two SPARTAN IIs? They were conscripted in 2537 and that is the only thing we know about them for sure, my guess is that they are Sierras 320 and 259.

But it is highly unlikely that Bungie would refer to two different Pelicans with the Sierra call sign, or any for that matter seeing as how Chief was Sierra 117 in Halo 3. Unless they are intentionally misleading us, something Bungie does not oft do.

Yeah I have considered that already, and it is possible, but i guess I just wanted to throw out a new idea.

So if these two Spartans are from a second group of Spartan II's, How will that fit into the existing Fall of Reach story?

  • 06.05.2009 2:30 PM PDT

Hi, I am the White Mamba Overlord of our group the ODSM.
We are not a clan, and we don't play the game for competition. Instead we play for fun, and to hang out with friends. If you are interested in joining go to our group homepage and sign up. Membership is open.
We are mostly a Halo 3: ODST group for help with achievements and stuff, but we also will play a lot of Halo 3 matchmaking.

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Sorry, no time to read this whole thread, but have you considered class two SPARTAN IIs? They were conscripted in 2537 and that is the only thing we know about them for sure, my guess is that they are Sierras 320 and 259.

But it is highly unlikely that Bungie would refer to two different Pelicans with the Sierra call sign, or any for that matter seeing as how Chief was Sierra 117 in Halo 3. Unless they are intentionally misleading us, something Bungie does not oft do.

Yeah I have considered that already, and it is possible, but i guess I just wanted to throw out a new idea.

So if these two Spartans are from a second group of Spartan II's, How will that fit into the existing Fall of Reach story?

Who knows? It may be a side story to the book, instead of following the same path.

  • 06.05.2009 2:36 PM PDT
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when he says were not going anywhere he could be a spartan but he also could have been flying the pelican. so the pelican he was flying could have been called sierra 259 and when they land all the spartans incluging himself were ready for battle

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i agree. Bungie does call the shots and what they say goes in all the halo games.

  • 06.06.2009 4:34 PM PDT
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Everybody, notice how it says falls 2010 in the wallpaper? That could be a reference to how the Spartans of red team fell to reach when blue team went to Circumference

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In The trailer it says "we just lost our burn" and " we're coming in hot, hold on". That sounds like their on some aerial device and seeing how sierra was the code name for the pillar of autumn It is most likely like tack 117 says a pelican.

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Also it is not necessarily red team because in the trailer if you listen very closely it says "i just dropped of my men", and red team crashes so yeah.

  • 06.06.2009 4:57 PM PDT

What if pelicans work like current day airplanes for the president. No matter what plane he is on, it becomes Air Force One. What if those Pelicans Had some random letter callsign and then 320/259, then when the Spartans got on, they become Sierra 320 and Sierra 259?

  • 06.06.2009 5:52 PM PDT

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  • 06.06.2009 9:00 PM PDT
Subject: My Theory: Sierra 420 and Sierra 259
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Great theory. And actually, Sierra was the codename attributed to the Pillar of Autum.

For real? Where did you find this? In the books?
If this is true, it would clear up a lot of the confusion and we could basically confirm that these are some sort of aircraft and not spartans.(Note that I said "basically." I know it's not 100% for sure untill the release or untill Bungie confirms it).


Very very good theory, u obviously gave this a lot of thought. i definately see where u are coming from but i believe it is spartans they are talking about. sierra is used in halo 3 as a codename. It is a military codeword lke alpha bravo and charlie, the military has codewords for every letter of the alphabet. in halo 3, commander keyes says in the level the storm to admiral hood something about sierra 117. Now im guessing that this is referring to the chief who is spartan 117. This leads me to believe that sierra is actually reffering to spartans.

  • 06.14.2009 12:52 PM PDT
Subject: My Theory: Sierra 320 and Sierra 259 *Updated*
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Sorry, no time to read this whole thread, but have you considered class two SPARTAN IIs? They were conscripted in 2537 and that is the only thing we know about them for sure, my guess is that they are Sierras 320 and 259.

But it is highly unlikely that Bungie would refer to two different Pelicans with the Sierra call sign, or any for that matter seeing as how Chief was Sierra 117 in Halo 3. Unless they are intentionally misleading us, something Bungie does not oft do.

Yeah I have considered that already, and it is possible, but i guess I just wanted to throw out a new idea.

So if these two Spartans are from a second group of Spartan II's, How will that fit into the existing Fall of Reach story?


There were two official class 2 spartan II's. They are Nicole-458 and Yasmine Zaman. Nicole was integrated into the dead or alive universe after going MIA(for real) and Yasmine died in the augumentation process.


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I believe they are both Spartans. I think it's easier to accept they are spartans than accepting they are something else. MC always calls himself sierra followed by his number 117. "Prepped for combat insertion" means she is going to take an HEV, a drop pod, down to Reach to fight. And Sierra 259 almost bloody says he's a Spartan. "This is Sierra 259, you've got spartans on the ground. We're not going anywhere" I know "we're" could mean the UNSC, but he calls himself Sierra 259, a common way to address Spartans, and says "you've got Spartans on the ground". Since he addresses himself as Sierra 259, says "you've got Spartans on the ground", and says "WE'RE not going anywhere" I would say it is almost obvious he is Spartan-259 and is on the surface of Reach, with other Spartans.

I know there is a possibility that Bungie thinks illogically and wants to make us believe 320 and 259 are Spartans just to reveal them t be code names for ships or marines, but that'd be silly.

I'm pretty sure I covered all of my bases in the first paragraph, tell me if there's gaps in my logic.

  • 06.14.2009 1:08 PM PDT
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In the Video between the levels Seirra 117 and Rat's Nest the pelican, if I rember correctly identifies it's self as Seirra 117.

  • 06.14.2009 1:10 PM PDT

Why would they be pelicans? It would make no sense. Besides, he said 'we' aren't going anyware. Why would a pelican stay with the Spartans?

  • 06.14.2009 1:21 PM PDT

CoE. If you don't know what that means...

Actually, I think it does refer to Spartans. In Halo 3, Bungie tried to make clear 'Sierra' means 'Spartan'. The first level is even named Sierra 117.

  • 06.14.2009 1:24 PM PDT

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