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Subject: Halo: Reach Should be a Second Person Shooter

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Everyone wants to debate whether Halo: Reach would be better as a First Person or a Third Person shooter.

I'd like Halo: Reach to be a 2nd person shooter.

Follow me on this; Bungie could integrate Natal to allow us to use hand and body motions to control our XBox Live Avatars. In the case of the 2nd person shooter, it is our XBox Live Avatars which will actually control the first person character in the game.

Here's your "hands-on" to demonstrate how this would work:

You first stand in front of your XBox and hold your hands out as if you were holding a controller.
Now, notice the on-screen Avatar. As you move your hands in the air, you can see the on-screen avatar moving it's hands to mimic your movements. When you press buttons on your imaginary controller you'll see the Avatar pressing buttons on it's controller.
Next, move your head around and notice that as you move your head and body the camera view moves around the room the Avatar is sitting in. Notice the nice leather couch, much better than the shabby couch in your mom's basement that you sit on.

Now that you've been introduced to the controls you're ready to jump into the game.

With the right motions to simulate the correct button presses you can direct your Avatar to start the game. As soon as the game starts you'll want to move to a position in the Avatar's room in which you can get a clear view of the television he's playing on. Now, you simply use the power of Natal's motion capture technology to control the Avatar playing the game.

"The best part is that when you lose a game you can simulate throwing the controller through the television screen and your Avatar will hurl it's controller through the screen of it's television", he deadpanned to the anonymous audience of the forum.

Sitting back slightly TheCyberFreak scanned the words he'd just written, checking for spelling and grammatical errors. He allowed himself a moment to ponder how the Bungie forum community would respond to his idea.

"It doesn't matter really," he mused to himself, "it's a clever idea and if others can't grasp just how profound the idea of a Second Person Shooter is...well then to heck with them." This thought, of course, did not ease the tension that comes with posting to the Bungie forums, knowing that every word he writes is raw meat to the attack dogs that dwell there.

For a moment he hesitated wondering if he should even post his idea. "Oh well", he decided, "not like it matters in the grand scheme of things either way. With a sense of resolve he wrapped up his post with a simple ending.

"What do you think?",
he wrote, openly inviting the opinions of others on the forums. He paused only slightly before quickly hitting the Submit button before he could second guess the decision to post.


[Edited on 06.05.2009 7:27 PM PDT]

  • 06.05.2009 1:10 PM PDT

Posted by: Billygoat456
I'll bring the tritium laser cutters if you bring the beer!

Funny story.

Trolling much?

  • 06.05.2009 1:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: monitor 16807
Trolling much?
Seriously?

It's not trolling, it's a small bit of humor.
If this were heavily veiled sarcasm designed to draw people into making angry posts then I could understand your accusation of Trolling.

That's clearly not what this is. When the day comes that we cannot have a small bit of humor amidst all of our "serious talk" about "Games" then go ahead and ban me.

  • 06.05.2009 1:17 PM PDT

Remember...what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas, except herpes, that sh1t'll come back with ya.

i dont wanna read that...but nice gold birdie =D

  • 06.05.2009 1:42 PM PDT
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Thread of the Day Award!

Seriously... probably one of the best thread posts I've seen in this forum.

  • 06.05.2009 1:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: pineapleexpress
i dont wanna read that...but nice gold birdie =D
I shall interpret that as support for my idea.

You really should read the post. It's very compelling stuff.

  • 06.05.2009 2:54 PM PDT
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Recent K/D ratio 2:1

Recent games is either 1st or 2nd place mostly.

HA YEAH no...

  • 06.05.2009 2:57 PM PDT

What the HELL is 2nd person?

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I class this thread as...EPIC!

Seriously guys get a sense of humour.

  • 06.05.2009 3:03 PM PDT

...I thought second person meant that you are the one being killed...

  • 06.05.2009 3:06 PM PDT

No one bloody looks here.... So why are you?
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Posted by: Zalrohg Lekgolo
What the HELL is 2nd person?


1st Person: I did this, I shot that

2nd Person: You did that, You shot that

3rd Person: Tom did that, He shot that.

  • 06.05.2009 3:07 PM PDT

Confirmed FPS
http://www.joystiq.com/2009/06/03/halo-reach-is-an-fps/

  • 06.05.2009 3:08 PM PDT

"I am not mad.
I am interested in freedom."

Posted by: elvins97
...I thought second person meant that you are the one being killed...

  • 06.05.2009 3:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: Zalrohg Lekgolo
What the HELL is 2nd person?
"In literature, 2nd person is the 'narrative voice'," TheCyberFreak replied feeling slightly exasperated.

"Hadn't he made that point clear in the original post, after all? Wasn't his demonstration of second person narrative in the second half of the post a tip-off?", he wondered to himself.


In the case of Halo: Reach, being a Second Person Shooter would mean that instead of controlling the character in the game you would control the actions of an Avatar which controls the character in the game.

Imagine sitting next to your friend who's playing Halo. While you watch him play Halo you make your usual comments, "Go up the lift!", "Watch out for the guy behind you!"
Now imagine that instead of just giving advice you could actually control the actions of your friend. You could make him push the button to make the character in the game jump or shoot, like a puppeteer. You would then be playing the game in Second Person mode.

Now, with the power of voice recognition in Natal, you could not only control the Avatar playing the game but you could also use voice commands to criticize him for mistakes. Sounds pretty awesome doesn't it?

Actually, someone should point out that I'm writing in 3rd person and not 2nd person. Do you know how hard it is to write in 2nd person narrative? Besides, 3rd person turned out to be more entertaining and it still got the point across.


[Edited on 06.05.2009 3:20 PM PDT]

  • 06.05.2009 3:09 PM PDT

oh

lol

  • 06.05.2009 3:11 PM PDT

not gunna read all of this but if we have to move master cheif or who ever we r playin as in this im not going to run in place for the first 10hrs i play it sry but epic fail *picks up controller*

  • 06.05.2009 3:23 PM PDT
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The End

‘The conscious is cancerous if allowed to linger’

"Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there."

I'd prefer controller based to be honest. Leave halo in its roots and instead expand the aspects of the game and the universe (while answereing some questions) rather than changing the gameplay with drastic changes such as natal that I don't think would do the franchise justice.

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  • 06.05.2009 3:28 PM PDT

Posted by: Billygoat456
I'll bring the tritium laser cutters if you bring the beer!

Funny story.

Wouldn't 2nd person be like seeing yourself from your enemy's view?

  • 06.05.2009 3:57 PM PDT

No, your idea stinks.
I think it should be a 1st person shooter using natal where you have to make a gun with your hands and say "bang" and in the warthog you have to say "vroom, vroom"

  • 06.05.2009 4:05 PM PDT

Basically, I make the best topics ever.

Feedback!
Duardo: This thread is locked for being stupid.
cortana 5 : It's perpetually my time of the month and I'm just grouchy.
Foman: I see absolutely no reason, either theoretical or practical, that this is not a superb idea. Excellent work, my friend.

You made my day. Its this type of thread that just shows how overly serious we are around here.
Posted by: TheCyberFreak
Actually, someone should point out that I'm writing in 3rd person and not 2nd person. Do you know how hard it is to write in 2nd person narrative? Besides, 3rd person turned out to be more entertaining and it still got the point across.
And this is why I hate literature.

[Edited on 06.05.2009 4:34 PM PDT]

  • 06.05.2009 4:31 PM PDT