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Subject: No Battle Rifle.
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Thanks for choosing to whine over being a productive member of the community and possible element towards advancing Reach.

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Yay, those MLG Wannabes can leave this game alone. :)


That comment was completely unnecessary for multiple reasons.

First off, just to clear the air, Halo:ODST is a single player game. MLG wouldn't be interested in using it unless they severely changed their system. Secondly, the pistol in the game appears to be taking the place of the Battle Rifle. Not to mention that the SMG also will have a scope. The game is becoming more tactical, which is something MLG will admire and I am shocked to see so many diehard fans of Halo 3's normal modes not complaining about. It will be a much more MLG like experience in the fact that it will rely more on some skill instead of spraying and praying.

Moreover, MLG is a company. A company looking to simply give gamers a choice. Gaming has not proven to be recession proof if you look at the sales on reputable economic sites over the past month. Even look at the giant of the industry, Nintendo, and you will see they are suffering from a lack of wii sales. Also, I should chime in that the Wii is the largest marketshare. It has outsold both the PS3 and the Xbox 360 and it offers a more casual style of gameplay.

Casual gaming is where games are moving towards. Wii sales are evident of that. Even look at the sequels releasing. Halo 3 toned down movement speed and refined gameplay so the skill gap is smaller. Gears of War 2 did the exact same thing. Companies are interested more in making money while attempting to make their fans happy. Therefore they are going with the safe bet rather than the experimental game. In order to do so, they are attempting to appeal more to casual gamers to create more long lasting appeal. That also happens to help with future DLC sales but thats besides the point.

Games, again I reiterate, are becoming more for the casual gamer instead of the hardcore gamer. In order for the hardcore gamer who wants faced paced shooters and more intense firefights, MLG has surfaced. It is a company looking to give gamers a choice. They alter gameplay elements where they see fit in games and are attempting to gain enough of a following to remind developers to, at the very least, include elements that make the game a more challenging experience for gamers. They are helping give gamers a choice in the market by reminding Game developers to not just opt for appealing to the casual gamer base.

Since MLG has become more and more popular, their success in the industry has yet to be felt. Hopefully it will continue to offer gamers a choice between Hardcore variants and casual variants of their favorite games. Whether you like the casual variant or the Hardcore variant, it doesnt matter. The sole thing that matters is that it is good for you, the consumer. Its giving you more of a choice even if you opt for one thing over the other.

I know the majority of you probably already know this information so perhaps its of no consequence. However, I feel it is important to stress MLG's importance in the industry. Its just sad that so many many of you seem to use the extreme fanboys as models for the entire community. Halo 3's normal game modes are not devoid of extremist, arrogant, and whinny people obsessed over the game. Not all of the terminology like "noob, scrub, and bk" are being used by MLG fans. Such terms are prevalent not only from MLG fans, but across the board of gamers. In fact, one could blame MMOs for such a prevalence of strange terminology resonating from games as they hold the biggest sociological impact on gaming.

After all, MMOs are sociology at work. It is a large host of people connecting in one place. It is a community of sorts and thereby has its own stratification. In fact, its sole purpose is to create stratification in a society. Therefore, there are elitists at the top, and non-elites at the bottom. Such a class system is just pouring off now into other games and it will continue as the advent of the internet continues to exist just as stratification is in our own daily lives.

So, I hope that clears the air and makes you think a bit differently. At the end of the day its all about avoiding stereotyping. It just doesnt have to happen and it shouldnt. Don't judge an entire group based on one person you come across in matchmaking, just as you wouldnt judge an entire group of people on one person. Moreover, I hope it also makes you aware of the great impact MLG is having on gaming despite some of the negative things that arise as a result. It certainly isnt the only thing causing negativity in the industry. The industry itself creates some negative characters.


Why don't you save your essays and take them over somewhere where it's more relevant. We're not here to discuss the future of gaming, we're hear to discuss ODST and in this particular thread the lack of the BR. If you REALLY want to talk further with that post take it to the Flood.

And also using someone else comment doesn't justify what you just posted no matter what way you look at it or how correct it is.

  • 06.05.2009 8:00 PM PDT
Subject: CONFIRMED: No Battle Rifle in H3ODST.
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This is great, I hate the BR. Now if only we could get it out of Matchmaking and shut up the MLG wannabes.
ODST doesn't have MM, it's still Halo 3 that has MM.

  • 06.05.2009 8:04 PM PDT
Subject: No Battle Rifle.

The Pistol is the new BR.

You'd hate the pistol if it was in Halo 3, because all the "MLG wannabes" would be dominating you with it.

So we got rid of a versatile weapon, how pointless.

When that Brute's no Shield, and you're on your last bit of health, and all you have is two bullets in your AR, and five in your SMG, you're going to be crying for a BR.

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At least the BR is still is still in MM and customs. I don't mind it not being in campaign.

  • 06.05.2009 8:08 PM PDT

I was looking forward to a sweet BR/Pistol combo.

  • 06.05.2009 8:10 PM PDT
Subject: CONFIRMED: No Battle Rifle in H3ODST.
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Thanks for choosing to whine over being a productive member of the community and possible element towards advancing Reach.

Posted by: Skiggeroth
The Pistol is the new BR.

You'd hate the pistol if it was in Halo 3, because all the "MLG wannabes" would be dominating you with it.

So we got rid of a versatile weapon, how pointless.

When that Brute's no Shield, and you're on your last bit of health, and all you have is two bullets in your AR, and five in your SMG, you're going to be crying for a BR.



Or I don't know...instead of having two weapons that have automatic fire I would make sure to keep the Auto Mag and use that instead.

I have a feeling you're one of those Pro-BR players who isn't looking at the whole picture.

Part of me wants to explain why your comment is misinformed, but the other part is saying why bother.

[Edited on 06.05.2009 8:12 PM PDT]

  • 06.05.2009 8:11 PM PDT
Subject: No Battle Rifle.

Here’s what Luke had to say about the differences in treatment between the Spartans and Elites in Reach:

“Instead of piece-by-piece customization like the Spartans, Elite customization is a full model swap with models selected from the various Elite classes appearing throughout the Campaign. There are all kinds of reasons for this, not the least of which is our continued emphasis on the Spartan as your identity in Reach.”

Posted by: Skiggeroth
The Pistol is the new BR.

You'd hate the pistol if it was in Halo 3, because all the "MLG wannabes" would be dominating you with it.

So we got rid of a versatile weapon, how pointless.

When that Brute's no Shield, and you're on your last bit of health, and all you have is two bullets in your AR, and five in your SMG, you're going to be crying for a BR.


That is why you drop your SMG for the pistol. For once.

  • 06.05.2009 8:12 PM PDT
Subject: CONFIRMED: No Battle Rifle in H3ODST.

Thank God! and bungie!

  • 06.05.2009 8:13 PM PDT
Subject: No Battle Rifle.

i can has cheez its?

Posted by: Skiggeroth
The Pistol is the new BR.

You'd hate the pistol if it was in Halo 3, because all the "MLG wannabes" would be dominating you with it.

So we got rid of a versatile weapon, how pointless.

When that Brute's no Shield, and you're on your last bit of health, and all you have is two bullets in your AR, and five in your SMG, you're going to be crying for a BR.

SOLUTION: Don't use two automatic weapons, and the wiser man chooses the weapons with scopes!

  • 06.05.2009 8:14 PM PDT

If the Carbine was dropped, you guys wouldn't care. You just have an almost jealous hatred towards the BR.
You see it as a symbolic power of the competitive gaming community.
The BR would be perfect for this game, you're just happy that people who play for more than fun don't get to use a weapon they're quite familiar with.

Plus; I love how there were BRs in H2, and in H3 but they magically disappear in ODST.
I bet there's no regular SMG either.

  • 06.05.2009 8:15 PM PDT

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As much as i love using the BR in H3 MM, i think this is a very good move from bungie as the SMG-Pistol combo suits the ODST more

  • 06.05.2009 8:16 PM PDT

i can has cheez its?

Posted by: Skiggeroth
If the Carbine was dropped, you guys wouldn't care. You just have an almost jealous hatred towards the BR.
You see it as a symbolic power of the competitive gaming community.
The BR would be perfect for this game, you're just happy that people who play for more than fun don't get to use a weapon they're quite familiar with.

Plus; I love how there were BRs in H2, and in H3 but they magically disappear in ODST.
I bet there's no regular SMG either.
... No regular SMG? I AM BOYCOTTING THIS GAME.

  • 06.05.2009 8:16 PM PDT

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WHO CARES...

This game is all about COOPERATIVE PLAY. I don't know why you people keep commenting on how this would effect MLG, because it won't at all. The only thing that will make a difference is the 3 new maps that will probably be included in MLG, especially the Midship remake.

  • 06.05.2009 8:17 PM PDT

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WHO CARES...

This game is all about COOPERATIVE PLAY. I don't know why you people keep commenting on how this would effect MLG, because it won't at all. The only thing that will make a difference is the 3 new maps that will probably be included in MLG, especially the Midship remake.


The only thing that should be QFT in this gawd awful thread.

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Wow your hatred for the BR is almost overwhelming...I dont get it, why do you hate it? Its just a gun in a game, besides the Carbine is gonna be in there and theyre pratically the same. And p.s. I like the BR.

  • 06.05.2009 8:18 PM PDT

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S-P-ACE! SPACE!

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YES! M6D was better, anyway.

  • 06.05.2009 8:19 PM PDT
Subject: CONFIRMED: No Battle Rifle in H3ODST.

Noobs can't handle AR/Pistol Spawns.

Huh, interesting. Whatever. Thats alright with me.

  • 06.05.2009 8:22 PM PDT

Check out the group, Planet Reach and talk about Bungie's next game without the annoyance of the public forum. Oh and it's nice there too.

You thought you had lag, it took Jesus 3 days to re-spawn.

The absolute idiocy of most people in this thread is ridiculous. Those of you upset that there is no BR, get over it and quit your -blam!-ing. Those of you acting like children and saying how the MLG fanboys can go cry about it, your no better.

People upset about no BR; ODST is not suited for a BR with the inclusion of the new pistol

BR haters; the BR has it's uses in Halo 3. Your absolute hatred is based off of the moronic MLG pro wannabes, not the weapon itself, and that's stupid. Besides, ODST has no bearing on anything MLG.

You all need to grow up and get over yourselves.

[Edited on 06.05.2009 8:24 PM PDT]

  • 06.05.2009 8:23 PM PDT
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Justice!!!!!!!! Sweet Justice!!! NO BR there is a god

  • 06.05.2009 8:24 PM PDT

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Justice!!!!!!!! Sweet Justice!!! NO BR there is a god


lol TOD is a BR.

  • 06.05.2009 8:25 PM PDT
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The absolute idiocy of most people in this thread is ridiculous. Those of you upset that there is no BR, get over it and quit your -blam!-ing. Those of you acting like children and saying how the MLG fanboys can go cry about it, your no better.

People upset about no BR; ODST is not suited for a BR with the inclusion of the new pistol

BR haters; the BR has it's uses in Halo 3. Your absolute hatred is based off of the moronic MLG pro wannabes, not the weapon itself, and that's stupid. Besides, ODST has no bearing on anything MLG.

You all need to grow up and get over yourselves.

Well that answers my question.

  • 06.05.2009 8:26 PM PDT
Subject: No Battle Rifle.
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Posted By: Im SteelAssassn
Thanks for choosing to whine over being a productive member of the community and possible element towards advancing Reach.

Posted by: Skiggeroth
If the Carbine was dropped, you guys wouldn't care. You just have an almost jealous hatred towards the BR.
You see it as a symbolic power of the competitive gaming community.
The BR would be perfect for this game, you're just happy that people who play for more than fun don't get to use a weapon they're quite familiar with.

Plus; I love how there were BRs in H2, and in H3 but they magically disappear in ODST.
I bet there's no regular SMG either.


I don't jealously hate the BR I dislike elitist players (and I'm almost tempted to say like you but I'll try not to.) who think the BR is the be all-end all weapon for Halo.

You're not looking at it in terms for ODST though, the Auto-Mag has scoped capabilities, having three mid range weapons that can scope and be head shot capable is really redundant. And since Bungie seems to like having the Humans and Covenant weapons compare and balance to each other it's logical to eighty-six the BR since there's going to be a new human weapon that's similar to the BR.

It's not a matter of it being a symbol (which sounds stupid in of itself but it's not the first time it's happened), and from what I can tell unless the BR got an over haul with it being single fire and sound suppressed (oh hey, make that a hand gun and it's an Auto Mag HMMMMMMMM) it probably wouldn't fit to well in ODST since it's more about being sneaky than going balls to the wall.

Either way looking at it now, people making fun of the lack of BRs are being a bit immature, but those who aren't liking the lack of BR aren't really handling themselves well either.

  • 06.05.2009 8:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: Skiggeroth
If the Carbine was dropped, you guys wouldn't care. You just have an almost jealous hatred towards the BR.
You see it as a symbolic power of the competitive gaming community.
The BR would be perfect for this game, you're just happy that people who play for more than fun don't get to use a weapon they're quite familiar with.

Plus; I love how there were BRs in H2, and in H3 but they magically disappear in ODST.
I bet there's no regular SMG either.


I don't jealously hate the BR I dislike elitist players (and I'm almost tempted to say like you but I'll try not to.) who think the BR is the be all-end all weapon for Halo.

You're not looking at it in terms for ODST though, the Auto-Mag has scoped capabilities, having three mid range weapons that can scope and be head shot capable is really redundant. And since Bungie seems to like having the Humans and Covenant weapons compare and balance to each other it's logical to eighty-six the BR since there's going to be a new human weapon that's similar to the BR.

It's not a matter of it being a symbol (which sounds stupid in of itself but it's not the first time it's happened), and from what I can tell unless the BR got an over haul with it being single fire and sound suppressed (oh hey, make that a hand gun and it's an Auto Mag HMMMMMMMM) it probably wouldn't fit to well in ODST since it's more about being sneaky than going balls to the wall.

Either way looking at it now, people making fun of the lack of BRs are being a bit immature, but those who aren't liking the lack of BR aren't really handling themselves well either.


Alright, so an SMG, Spiker, an Assault Rifle don't resemble the same theory?

The Pistol WILL run out of ammo fast, a BR would defiantly help out. As would a Carbine.

  • 06.05.2009 8:33 PM PDT
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Posted by: Skiggeroth
If the Carbine was dropped, you guys wouldn't care. You just have an almost jealous hatred towards the BR.
You see it as a symbolic power of the competitive gaming community.
The BR would be perfect for this game, you're just happy that people who play for more than fun don't get to use a weapon they're quite familiar with.

Plus; I love how there were BRs in H2, and in H3 but they magically disappear in ODST.
I bet there's no regular SMG either.

Yep. A lot of people look at it as a symbol of the competitive game community, and that's what it is. As is the AR a symbol for what the competitive community hates about the game. However, that's a comparison for another day. While I understand everyones dislike for the Br, I don't see why everyone is clamoring for it not to be in a single player game. It's not like not-having it gives you any advantage-the only thing that happens is you lost diversity. However, I think it will be a nice change of pace, and I love the new pistol/magnum and SMG, so I don't care too much. So, in short, everyone stop being -blam!-s/idiots/fanboys.

  • 06.05.2009 8:34 PM PDT
Subject: CONFIRMED: No Battle Rifle in H3ODST.

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WhooHooo!


QFT.


Games are games. I am happy that a weapon that causes so much pointless hatred and competition is being taken out.

[Edited on 06.05.2009 8:37 PM PDT]

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