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Subject: No BR, get over the 'hype' BR haters

have you seen how many people tried turned a game of 24 weapons to 4.

  • 06.06.2009 11:55 AM PDT

Posted by: GooseDownnnnnnN
Posted by: greenaj02
Use a carbine!!!
I don't think you quite get it. What Bungie are doing, is removing a skilled weapon, and replacing them with overpowered superweapons for ease of play, catering for the little kids that shouldn't even be playing halo, and completely ignoring the hardcore community.


We do not know if they are over powered(unless you got to play it at E3). We may not need a BR, and it shouldn't matter unless ODST has it's own little customs lobby and you can't have BRs.

Let's wait until we ACTUALLY get to play the game (instead of doing guesswork from some leaked footage and 2 trailers) and see it all for ourselves before complaining.

  • 06.06.2009 11:56 AM PDT

I was in 5th grade. I popped in the Halo CE disc into the massive, clunky first generation Microsoft Xbox, and wrapped my small hands around the controller that was almost too big for me. Little did I know what I was getting into.

10+ years later, I still look up to my childhood hero, Master Chief, while everyone talks about He Man and Spongebob haha


Live life son. www.youtube.com/user/MadeInAsiaFilms

The hatred out there isn't for the BR, but for the MLG wannbe community.

And the other percentage of the community sees the BR as the prime MLG symbol, which it is, and likes seeing it brought down.

Like when Saddam's statue was torn down during the Kuwait conflict and all those iranians were cheering and stuff.

Maybe there wouldn't be hate in the first place if trash-talking generals and MLG wannabees could play the game normally and treat people online like...well, people.

Seriously, just because it's over the internet and other people can't do anything to you doesn't mean that you should throw your manners down the trash.

If people like that randomly went up to other and started trashtalking like in matchmaking they'd get their face smashed in.

It's not about the weapon, just the people.

If the beam rifle was associated with MLG, then people would want the beam rifle removed as well.

  • 06.06.2009 11:57 AM PDT

93% of statistics are lies. Formerly Xfire Grunt. Unfortunately, you can't change the WLID for your BNET account, so I had to create an alternate account. My other WLID was spam city (and it was my e-mail account too).

Posted by: old bad dog
omG i hazz neva neeed 2 deel w/ bee are uhgin!

Pff, someone's a little mad he can't see a BR in the game.

God, there are other weapons. Jesus.


I only use assault rifles in every game I play. Its kind of disappointing that they aren't in this game. The Assault Rifle class of weapon is standard issue military. I don't mean a Bungie defined Assault Rifle, I mean something like the M16, G-36c, etc.

  • 06.06.2009 11:57 AM PDT

if knowledge is power and power corrupts, isn't knowledge therefore dangerous?
Black Tower

yes, yell at us MLG haters for flaming.
people all for MLG are so nice, they dont flame.
dont mind the 24,123,123,213,424,313 some odd threads on how AR users suck trash and all that, all made by MLG lovers.
look man, i'm happy it's not there, alright?
and after all of the "BR iz the only wep needed EVAR" stuff, you cant help but laugh thinking about how the hell they're going to survive ODST.

  • 06.06.2009 11:58 AM PDT
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it appears you have fallen into a sarchasm...
its the gap between someone making a sarcastic comment, and you picking up on that sarcasm...

Posted by: IIPhalanXII
The hatred out there isn't for the BR, but for the MLG wannbe community.

And the other percentage of the community sees the BR as the prime MLG symbol, which it is, and likes seeing it brought down.

Like when Saddam's statue was torn down during the Kuwait conflict and all those iranians were cheering and stuff.

Maybe there wouldn't be hate in the first place if trash-talking generals and MLG wannabees could play the game normally and treat people online like...well, people.

Seriously, just because it's over the internet and other people can't do anything to you doesn't mean that you should throw your manners down the trash.

If people like that randomly went up to other and started trashtalking like in matchmaking they'd get their face smashed in.

It's not about the weapon, just the people.

If the beam rifle was associated with MLG, then people would want the beam rifle removed as well.

Well, that is part of it.

I am just glad to see the BR gone in place of new weapons. Honestly, arent you glad you get a new "main" weapon instead of the old one you had in Halo 3?

  • 06.06.2009 11:59 AM PDT

Posted by: lsbd
Posted by: Dr Steve
Posted by: GooseDownnnnnnN
Posted by: greenaj02
Use a carbine!!!
I don't think you quite get it. What Bungie are doing, is removing a skilled weapon, and replacing them with overpowered superweapons for ease of play, catering for the little kids that shouldn't even be playing halo, and completely ignoring the hardcore community.

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+1. No wait, that deserves a +2!

  • 06.06.2009 12:01 PM PDT

Furry At Heart,
Furry Forever óÓÒò

Supreme mastery therefore, is not to be victorious in all your battles; supreme excellence is to be victorious without fighting.

"Love is composed of a single soul inhabiting two bodies. "

The Automag is going to eclipse it in every single way. (Automag is the weapons name. Not an abbreviation for its fire rate)

Luke Smith himself (Bungie employee and self professed exclusive BR user, has stated that the Automag is vastly superior to the BR. (Listen to the 6.02.09 podcast if you don't believe me.

[Edited on 06.06.2009 12:03 PM PDT]

  • 06.06.2009 12:03 PM PDT

if knowledge is power and power corrupts, isn't knowledge therefore dangerous?
Black Tower

Posted by: IIPhalanXII
The hatred out there isn't for the BR, but for the MLG wannbe community.

And the other percentage of the community sees the BR as the prime MLG symbol, which it is, and likes seeing it brought down.

Like when Saddam's statue was torn down during the Kuwait conflict and all those iranians were cheering and stuff.

Maybe there wouldn't be hate in the first place if trash-talking generals and MLG wannabees could play the game normally and treat people online like...well, people.

Seriously, just because it's over the internet and other people can't do anything to you doesn't mean that you should throw your manners down the trash.

If people like that randomly went up to other and started trashtalking like in matchmaking they'd get their face smashed in.

It's not about the weapon, just the people.

If the beam rifle was associated with MLG, then people would want the beam rifle removed as well.

nailed it on the head there, good sir.
which is why i want to try and get MLG to be pink elites.
watch how fast we see either "spartans are too hard to HS! head am too small" or a drastic drop in MLG popularity.

  • 06.06.2009 12:03 PM PDT

"Death is an inconvenience now.... We are All Dead Men Walking."
"The Sniper Rifle is a Support weapon, your supposed to sneak around with it. Not stand in the open"
"Armor Lock is boss if you know how to use it!"
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Posted by: GooseDownnnnnnN
Posted by: greenaj02
Use a carbine!!!
I don't think you quite get it. What Bungie are doing, is removing a skilled weapon, and replacing them with overpowered superweapons for ease of play, catering for the little kids that shouldn't even be playing halo, and completely ignoring the hardcore community.


Really? So by Overpowered Super weapons, you mean the SMG is like a automatic missile launcher? If thats the case, talk about throwing the the little realism in Halo out a window. If not, well I'll edit that post [HERE]

Either way I'm not buying it, tired of giving bungie my money and tired of a game that was great in 1991 whan Halo 1 was out,and now is being used as a tool for marketing.

[Edited on 06.06.2009 12:07 PM PDT]

  • 06.06.2009 12:06 PM PDT

ODST Romeo

I don't see why people are getting really worked up about this issue. You're never going to fight other people over Live with the new SMG and Pistol, it's only against AI.

  • 06.06.2009 12:06 PM PDT

Death to rank junkies.

Posted by: GooseDownnnnnnN
Posted by: greenaj02
Use a carbine!!!
I don't think you quite get it. What Bungie are doing, is removing a skilled weapon, and replacing them with overpowered superweapons for ease of play, catering for the little kids that shouldn't even be playing halo, and completely ignoring the hardcore community.


Skilled weapon? Please. Cheapest gun in the game if you ask me.

  • 06.06.2009 12:08 PM PDT
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I don't hate the BR, it's just way too overused.

  • 06.06.2009 12:09 PM PDT

If i had a penny every time Ive been called, "BK" i would be able to buy my own.

  • 06.06.2009 12:10 PM PDT

ODST Romeo

Posted by: GooseDownnnnnnN
Posted by: greenaj02
Use a carbine!!!
I don't think you quite get it. What Bungie are doing, is removing a skilled weapon, and replacing them with overpowered superweapons for ease of play, catering for the little kids that shouldn't even be playing halo, and completely ignoring the hardcore community.


The 'Hardcore' community is much smaller than the one who just plays the game for fun.

  • 06.06.2009 12:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sp4rt4n119
Thank you sir, that was an epic rendition of this topic.


Posted by: Xx KNOX xX
and how!

Yes, it IS an automag. It is called that in the updates, it is called that on the screenshots, it is called that on the intel.

An "automag" is a handgun that automatically loads a new round into the chamber when one is fired, more commonly known as semi automatic handgun.

Don't claim things to be true unless you know them to be true. Ok? Ok.


Edited for typo.

[Edited on 06.06.2009 12:15 PM PDT]

  • 06.06.2009 12:15 PM PDT

Posted by: urk
Eat raw meat.
Punch a bear in the face.


If you don't know who I am, the feeling is mutual.

The BR is the most over-powered weapon in the Halo Sandbox. I won't be a hypocrite and say I don't use it, but I use it because otherwise I wouldn't stand a chance.

The BR made Halo 3 too competitive, and I'd be happier without it honestly. It'd be better if Bungie just made a longer-ranged assault rifle (same ammo count, similar damage) to combine both weapons into one. (The SMG can take over for the AR.)

  • 06.06.2009 12:16 PM PDT

I am an avid gamer with a passion to keep games fun and strategy provoking, rather than simply button mashing instant-reward games that plague the market nowadays. I'm not kind, but I'm rational, fair, and maybe, just maybe, somewhat intelligent.

Posted by: xPOWxRifleRangr
What you're forgetting is that the "hardcore" community of MLG ruined the Halo community.


Wrong answer. You guys ruined it. You guys started posting on the Bnet forums complaining about a couple MLG trash talkers. Then this 'war' started. Don't start flame wars with inaccurate facts. The fact that most of the Bnet wants a weapon that does in fact take the most skill right next to the sniper to use to be taken out, is beyond me.

[Edited on 06.06.2009 12:21 PM PDT]

  • 06.06.2009 12:16 PM PDT
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Reach needs to be patched. It's the truth.

Yes the MLG hate was necessary.

  • 06.06.2009 12:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: King Droid
Posted by: xPOWxRifleRangr
What you're forgetting is that the "hardcore" community of MLG ruined the Halo community.


Wrong answer. You guys ruined it. You guys started posting on the Bnet forums complaining about a couple MLG trash talkers. Then this 'war' started. Don't start flame wars with inaccurate facts. The fact that most of the Bnet wants a weapon that does in fact take the most skill right next to the sniper to use to be taken out, is beyond me.

So you are saying that a weapon that only takes 4 shots to the head or a simple grenade and a one shot takes skill? Not to mention it can shoot across the map.

If MLG used a weapon that needed the most 'skill' to use, then they would use the pistol.

  • 06.06.2009 12:27 PM PDT
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Posted by: TRC Shinedown
Posted by: King Droid
Posted by: xPOWxRifleRangr
What you're forgetting is that the "hardcore" community of MLG ruined the Halo community.


Wrong answer. You guys ruined it. You guys started posting on the Bnet forums complaining about a couple MLG trash talkers. Then this 'war' started. Don't start flame wars with inaccurate facts. The fact that most of the Bnet wants a weapon that does in fact take the most skill right next to the sniper to use to be taken out, is beyond me.

So you are saying that a weapon that only takes 4 shots to the head or a simple grenade and a one shot takes skill? Not to mention it can shoot across the map.

If MLG used a weapon that needed the most 'skill' to use, then they would use the pistol.

the br has good range, damage, and rate of fire
it is kind of cheap

  • 06.06.2009 12:32 PM PDT

-Buddha

This argument for taking the BR out is kind of....for lack of better word...stupid. The argument basically is "you are taking the most competitive weapon out of Halo". Yeah, assuming it's the most competitive weapon, let's continue. The competitive aspect of Halo 3:ODST that will not feature the BR is Campaign (scoring on) and Firefight. Not every level in Halo 3 had a BR, so I guess those were noob levels, right? So, since there was no argument in Halo 3 campaign levels, I can assume to take that out of the overall complaint umbrella.
Now we are left to think of Firefight. This also has, essentially, campaign scoring built into it. In no way are you being competitive DIRECTLY against other players. In the original campaign scoring with Halo 3 it was more to see who could do the best with what was provided. The BR is not provided, so you have to adapt your gameplay to not rely on a single weapon to be victorious in Firefight. I think that really is where the problem. Too many people have come to rely solely on the BR as a means to get kills. So these people cry about it's disappearance.
Okay, my point really was that there is no direct means of competitive gameplay, therefore the argument that the most competitive weapon does not work considering the current idea of competitive gameplay is not present. The BR is not there, which forces people to be more versatile with their weapon choice, which is the point of Firefight considering the apparent lack of ammunition available during each encounter. You WILL have to get good with every weapon to be able to progress to the later stages. That is all there is to it.
Or we could just throw this entire argument out the window, because really most people won't play Firefight to see who R Teh 1337est. Most people will play it for fun, as it was meant to be played.

EDIT: I love the BR, but I do not view it as the weapon that requires the most skill to use. The only reason people think it requires the most skill is that there is a very large skill gap that comes associated with this weapon. In multi-player a BR in the hands of a truly new player is not nearly as deadly as a BR in the hands of a seasoned veteran. The reason so many BR lovers hate the AR is that it has an inherently smaller skill gap, being a "spray and pray" weapon. They do not like it simply because true noobies can kill them nearly as easily as they can kill the noobie.

[Edited on 06.06.2009 12:40 PM PDT]

  • 06.06.2009 12:32 PM PDT

ODST Romeo

Posted by: Buddha The Jew
This argument for taking the BR out is kind of....for lack of better word...stupid. The argument basically is "you are taking the most competitive weapon out of Halo". Yeah, assuming it's the most competitive weapon, let's continue. The competitive aspect of Halo 3:ODST that will not feature the BR is Campaign (scoring on) and Firefight. Not every level in Halo 3 had a BR, so I guess those were noob levels, right? So, since there was no argument in Halo 3 campaign levels, I can assume to take that out of the overall complaint umbrella.
Now we are left to think of Firefight. This also has, essentially, campaign scoring built into it. In no way are you being competitive DIRECTLY against other players. In the original campaign scoring with Halo 3 it was more to see who could do the best with what was provided. The BR is not provided, so you have to adapt your gameplay to not rely on a single weapon to be victorious in Firefight. I think that really is where the problem. Too many people have come to rely solely on the BR as a means to get kills. So these people cry about it's disappearance.
Okay, my point really was that there is no direct means of competitive gameplay, therefore the argument that the most competitive weapon does not work considering the current idea of competitive gameplay is not present. The BR is not there, which forces people to be more versatile with their weapon choice, which is the point of Firefight considering the apparent lack of ammunition available during each encounter. You WILL have to get good with every weapon to be able to progress to the later stages. That is all there is to it.
Or we could just throw this entire argument out the window, because really most people won't play Firefight to see who R Teh 1337est. Most people will play it for fun, as it was meant to be played.


That's what I've been saying. Who cares if it takes skill, you're never going to play other players with or without it in ODST.

  • 06.06.2009 12:37 PM PDT

One of the few and the proud, a Mythic Conqueror, I am.

Posted by: GooseDownnnnnnN
Posted by: greenaj02
Use a carbine!!!
I don't think you quite get it. What Bungie are doing, is removing a skilled weapon, and replacing them with overpowered superweapons for ease of play, catering for the little kids that shouldn't even be playing halo, and completely ignoring the hardcore community.


Ok, so they are taking out the BR, a skilled weapon, and replacing it with an overpowerred one? Let's take a moment and analyze.

To be good in multiplayer you have to use the BR correct? If you use any other weapon you are never going to be as good as someone using a BR by your logic? Isn't that the definition of overpowerred? The BR is the overpowerred weapon! Moron.

  • 06.06.2009 1:04 PM PDT

Posted by: Yes it Was

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go kill yourself and do the world a faver

Posted by: The Wo1f
The Automag is going to eclipse it in every single way. (Automag is the weapons name. Not an abbreviation for its fire rate)

Luke Smith himself (Bungie employee and self professed exclusive BR user, has stated that the Automag is vastly superior to the BR. (Listen to the 6.02.09 podcast if you don't believe me.


Obviously the reason there isn't going to be a BR in ODST, is because it's TOO powerful. It would ruin firefight and campaign if it was introduced or atleast that was the opposing argument I've been reading for a week or so on here. I would have liked to see a BR make a return with a bunch of fancy gagets added even, but the the automag looks to be ok I guess. I'd never walk over a BR to get one but thats just me.

As for the MLG hatred, whatever you guys are crying about with the battle rifle is irrelevent seeing how MLG is totally multiplayer versus oriented and ODST looks to be I don't know COMPLETLY multiplayer co-op...

Makes no sense to me.

[Edited on 06.06.2009 1:07 PM PDT]

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