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Subject: Theoretically, shouldn't the Elites be the bad guys in Halo 3: ...

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Since all the fighting you will be doing in that game will be after the Slip-space rupture, the Elites will be leaving with the Prophet of Regret. You'll be fighting the second wave of the Covenant to come to Earth, lead by the Brutes.

  • 06.07.2009 5:55 AM PDT

Posted by: Phoenix9508
All the Elites left with Regret or died.


Yes, the Brutes were left behind the take the city.

  • 06.07.2009 5:59 AM PDT

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Did you play halo 2 at all?

  • 06.07.2009 6:18 AM PDT

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Sigh, A timeline would be very helpful in informing those who had not read the books.



Also does no one remember that bungie said No elites!. Thats right No dinosaurs.

The elites either left... or got their throats slit.

I think that the elites arrived just before John landed on earth.

  • 06.07.2009 6:23 AM PDT

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But why Brutes?

In the wake of Regret's shameful retreat from New Mombasa, the Prophet of Truth continued his maneuvering - one eye always on his ultimate goal: his rightful and holy ascension. For Truth, his own personal passage was paramount. His Godhood would not be denied. Everything else was secondary.

And though Truth's duplicitous scheming doesn't come to full fruition until the Elite Honor Guard's failure to protect the Prophet of Regret affords him with the final leverage needed to appoint the Brutes to the lofty position, his plans were never made in haste. They were well laid. When the time came to return his attention to Earth, his expendable regiments needed to be led by Jiralhanae, not Sangheili.

Leaving the Elites to scour Earth in search of a Holy Forerunner relic, and ultimately to uncover the most precious and sacrosanct Forerunner artifact in existence - the very portal that opened upon the Ark itself - would have placed all Truth's aspirations upon the shoulders of a species he had already decided to cast aside, a species splintered by heresy and derision, even amongst their own ranks.

Truth's divisive mandate had been set in motion. The Elites had exhausted their usefulness to him, they would not be allowed to meddle in his affairs any longer, and he would not place his rightful transcendence into the hands of incompetents. His word was law.

So the Prophet of Truth deploys Brutes. And the Brutes were eager to prove that their loyalty and battle prowess had earned them a seat at the side of the Hierarchs, as the honored protectors of the sacred Covenant. Such blind faith and eagerness marked them as near perfect pawns for Truth to sacrifice.

  • 06.07.2009 6:26 AM PDT
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Posted by: Block Boy
Dont you sigh me!
You need to get your facts straight!
You're not in New Mombasa in Halo 3, you're in the Mombasa Crater, and you aren't fighting elites at all in halo 3.


Considering the OP said that they were there in HALO 2 I don't think he's refrencing to HALO 3. Moron.

  • 06.07.2009 6:30 AM PDT
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Posted by: Block Boy
Dont you sigh me!
You need to get your facts straight!
You're not in New Mombasa in Halo 3, you're in the Mombasa Crater, and you aren't fighting elites at all in halo 3.


You need to go back in the dark corner you came from.

  • 06.07.2009 6:33 AM PDT

I wonder why no one has looked this up, it does not take place between Halo 2 and 3 like were lead to believe, unless the end is in Halo 3.

The game begins 6 hours after Level 5 in Halo Metropolis.

The next level is the Arbiter, were you become the Arbiter.

This happens on October 20th 2552

Delta Halo happens November 2, 2552

12 days latter.


Its not till November that


A) The Master Chief tracks down and kills the Prophet of Regret on Installation 05.
and
B) High Charity arrives at Installation 05. Witnessing the assassination of the Prophet of Regret, the Prophet of Truth replaces the Honor Guard Elites with Brutes. Insulted, the Elite Councilors threaten to resign from the High Council.
C) The Arbiter and Tartarus are sent to retrieve The Index. The Arbiter successfully takes the Index, but Tartarus tries to kill him and takes the Index from him, as he was secretly ordered to do so by the Prophet of Truth.
D)Most of the Elite Councilors are taken to the surface of Installation 05 where they are murdered by the Brutes.
E) Tartarus declares war on the Elites, and the Battle of High Charity begins. Fighting between Elite and Brute forces breaks out all over High Charity. As word spreads, fighting takes place throughout the Fleet, as Elite and Brute controlled ships attack one another.


Now ODST is set on the 20th of October, during the events of Halo 2, in the First Battle of Earth at Mombasa.

12 days before the Great Schism the Covenant civil war.

And even though the game takes place during the events of Halo 2 First Battle of Earth and Battle of Installation 05; all of the character, weapon, and vehicle models were taken from Halo 3, creating an inconsistency within the canon already.

Because Brute's have armor, Spike Grenade, Flame Grenade. And we have Mongoose, and Spartan laser, Oh and lose the BR.

So we should be fighting them in this Game. Now what bungie could be doing is having us fight them, and just say we are not so, when we see them were all like . . . " OH bungie I see what you did there." I mean they said Halo 3 was there last Halo game, look what we have 2 more. Bungie is good a misleading us.

And for you people that say, "OH but its built on Halo 3 and the Elites are our friends the programming can't be changed. . . ."

WHAT? Cant be changed. . . SO your gonna tell me they can take rockets off my Hornet but they cant change an elite? Or Your gonna tell me that they have built a new program for Reach because 100% your gonna kill Elites in Reach

So ether there lying or they don't know there own time line, and by the time they remembered it it was "Oh well -blam!- to late."

[Edited on 06.07.2009 6:46 AM PDT]

  • 06.07.2009 6:42 AM PDT

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  • 06.07.2009 6:45 AM PDT

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Bungie is the creator of Halo, so I think pretty much anything they do is correct with Halo canon being its whatever they say it is. Also, the armor and vehicles that weren't in Halo 2 are there to improve the game. Bungie didn't include them in Halo 2 because they hadn't thought them up yet, not because they didn't exist in the timeline. People enjoy this new stuff from Halo 3 so why do away with it for ODST. We'll just say that stuff wasn't in any of the areas where master chief was and thats why it seems to be new. Don't worry, you should get your chance to fight Elites again in Halo: Reach. For now, you'll just have to get used to the Brutes.

  • 06.07.2009 6:52 AM PDT

I can clear this up pretty well, ok to be accurate Truth and Mercy changed the guard AFTER Regret was killed on Delta Halo by the chief. So really Elites where currently in enemy ranks. But Truth was thinking in a smart way to not switch the guard all at once but the death of Regret forced his hand and that is when the Elites at high charity revolted. Brutes where sent on "garbage" missons untill the TOTAL switch of the guard, Regret thought that the slipspace jump killed every thing in the city but to be safe he sent brutes down to check it out and thats where ODST starts from.

I hope that isn't to complicated =)

  • 06.07.2009 7:01 AM PDT

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Everyone says pretty much the same. At first not having Elites bothered me, but it's explainable.

- Regret invaded Earth with Elites
- Regret left New Mombasa
- Truth had his plot against Regret. 1st revealed on level Delta Halo
- Truth (and mercy) changed the honor guards. Brutes are his forces. They also left Mercy die when Truth told them to.
- Truth wanted to secure the Earth and uncover the Ark.

- The Brutes on High Charity were weak equipped. Why would have they needed better?
- On Earth Brutes have power armors and power weapons. They are in a war. A war Truth wanted to participate. The civil war didn't matter to him.
- There's the 6 hour break. The last of Elites easily die or escape while Brutes arrive.

= All I really would like to see are a few Elite bodies and wreckage around Mombasa.
= Sure not seeing 1 Spike grenade on High Charity etc. was imperfect, but it's easily standable. The change bethween H1 and 2 was more, but it was explainable too.

  • 06.07.2009 7:16 AM PDT

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