Halo 3: ODST Forum
This topic has moved here: Subject: ODST Timeline and why we should fight Elites.
  • Subject: ODST Timeline and why we should fight Elites.
  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • of 3
Subject: ODST Timeline and why we should fight Elites.

So, I've see some thread on this, but none of them go back and look at the Halo time line to make a good case as to why we should. ((Even if we do not.))

But there have been things that Bungie has said that make you re-think this.


BRUTE (Jiralhanae)

Massive and ape-like. Many have been observed speaking human languages. Depending on location and MOS they will be encountered in groups up to eight.

They are fearless, vicious opponents and must not be underestimated. Currently, they fill the command role that Elites occupied previously. Whether or not this is indicative of a power shift within the Covenant is of no consequence to the current operation. ANYTHING that seeks to obstruct the successful completion of your mission is a legitimate target.


One if this is the case Bungie you -blam!- up your own time line. . . Good job.

But lets not dwell on such things, surly Bungie would never mess up that bad.

There's this part

Whether or not this is indicative of a power shift within the Covenant is of no consequence to the current operation. ANYTHING that seeks to obstruct the successful completion of your mission is a legitimate target.


I wonder why they would say that ? If your just fighting the Halo 3 sand box of bad guys, why allude to more, after you said there wouldn't be any.


We realize that the Elites are of a fan-favorite, so it's probably wise to set aside your compassion and steel yourself for what is about to come. There are no Elites to fight in Halo 3: ODST.


In all the tread I've looked in no one has looked up, the real time line Halo 3 ODST, is more like Halo 2 ODST with Halo 3 graphics.

Halo 3 ODST does not take place between Halo 2 and 3 like were lead to believe, unless the end is in Halo 3.

The game begins 6 hours after Halo 2's Level 5 Metropolis.

The next level is the Arbiter, were you become the Arbiter.

This happens all happens on October 20th 2552

Delta Halo happens November 2, 2552

12 days latter.


Its not till November that


A) The Master Chief tracks down and kills the Prophet of Regret on Installation 05.
and
B) High Charity arrives at Installation 05. Witnessing the assassination of the Prophet of Regret, the Prophet of Truth replaces the Honor Guard Elites with Brutes. Insulted, the Elite Councilors threaten to resign from the High Council.
C) The Arbiter and Tartarus are sent to retrieve The Index. The Arbiter successfully takes the Index, but Tartarus tries to kill him and takes the Index from him, as he was secretly ordered to do so by the Prophet of Truth.
D)Most of the Elite Councilors are taken to the surface of Installation 05 where they are murdered by the Brutes.
E) Tartarus declares war on the Elites, and the Battle of High Charity begins. Fighting between Elite and Brute forces breaks out all over High Charity. As word spreads, fighting takes place throughout the Fleet, as Elite and Brute controlled ships attack one another.


Now ODST is set on the 20th of October, during the events of Halo 2, in the First Battle of Earth at Mombasa.

12 days before the Great Schism the Covenant civil war.

And even though the game takes place during the events of Halo 2 First Battle of Earth and Battle of Installation 05; all of the character, weapon, and vehicle models were taken from Halo 3, creating an inconsistency within the canon already, sure we like the stuff, but some consistency would be nice, right?

The Brute's have armor, Spike Grenade, Flame Grenade. And we have Mongoose, and Spartan laser, Oh and lose the BR ? ? ? WTF BBQ?

So, in all logic we should be fighting Elites, there fun they were our first, and they go wort wort wort when we kill them, why would Bungie rob us of this as an ODST?

Now what Bungie could be doing, that hole blatantly lying to us that they do.
And when we all kill our first Elite, were filled with joy and say. . . " OH Bungie, I see what you did there."

I mean they said Halo 3 was there last Halo game, look what we have 2 more. Bungie is good a misleading us.

And for you people that say, "OH but its built on Halo 3 and the Elites are our friends the programming can't be changed. . . ."

WHAT? Cant be changed. . . SO your gonna tell me they can take rockets off my Hornet but they cant change an elite? Or Your gonna tell me that they have built a new program for Reach because 100% your gonna kill Elites in Reach

So ether there lying or they don't know there own time line, and by the time they remembered it it was "Oh well -blam!- to late."





[Edited on 06.07.2009 7:20 AM PDT]

  • 06.07.2009 7:16 AM PDT

Don't upset Achronos or you'll end up with a dog's head in a jar in your mailbox.
-----------------------------------------------------------
Soffish Is Still Missing! Do Not Eat!

Oh well...no elites.
Bungie confirmed that regret took all the elites with him when they left mombasa.
Sure, elites would have been nice but nothing we can do about it now...

  • 06.07.2009 7:26 AM PDT

About me: I am a vicious wolf of a man.

But really am sweet at heart. =)

There are already several topics about this. And I can end your theory with one point.

The elites left with Regret. and the Prophets started replacing Elites even before the Civil War started.

  • 06.07.2009 7:30 AM PDT

1.Arkham Asylum, 2.Mass Effect, 3.Halo CE, 4.Mass Effect 2, 5.Halo 2, 6.Splinter Cell Double Agent, 7.Gears of War 2, 8.Medievil, 9.Oblivion, 10.Crash Team Racing

Erm... How you know the months are October and November? Books?

  • 06.07.2009 7:34 AM PDT

Posted by: masterune
Oh well...no elites.
Bungie confirmed that regret took all the elites with him when they left mombasa.
Sure, elites would have been nice but nothing we can do about it now...


When did they do that? Last thing I read like that was this.

But why Brutes?

In the wake of Regret's shameful retreat from New Mombasa, the Prophet of Truth continued his maneuvering - one eye always on his ultimate goal: his rightful and holy ascension. For Truth, his own personal passage was paramount. His Godhood would not be denied. Everything else was secondary.

And though Truth's duplicitous scheming doesn't come to full fruition until the Elite Honor Guard's failure to protect the Prophet of Regret affords him with the final leverage needed to appoint the Brutes to the lofty position, his plans were never made in haste. They were well laid. When the time came to return his attention to Earth, his expendable regiments needed to be led by Jiralhanae, not Sangheili.

Leaving the Elites to scour Earth in search of a Holy Forerunner relic, and ultimately to uncover the most precious and sacrosanct Forerunner artifact in existence - the very portal that opened upon the Ark itself - would have placed all Truth's aspirations upon the shoulders of a species he had already decided to cast aside, a species splintered by heresy and derision, even amongst their own ranks.

Truth's divisive mandate had been set in motion. The Elites had exhausted their usefulness to him, they would not be allowed to meddle in his affairs any longer, and he would not place his rightful transcendence into the hands of incompetents. His word was law.

So the Prophet of Truth deploys Brutes. And the Brutes were eager to prove that their loyalty and battle prowess had earned them a seat at the side of the Hierarchs, as the honored protectors of the sacred Covenant. Such blind faith and eagerness marked them as near perfect pawns for Truth to sacrifice.


This is from Bungie, and all of this takes place after Regret dies, not before.

SO in there own timeline its off.

  • 06.07.2009 7:35 AM PDT

Posted by: Gottalovec4
There are already several topics about this. And I can end your theory with one point.

The elites left with Regret. and the Prophets started replacing Elites even before the Civil War started.


And were my friend does it say that? No in any books I've read, nor games I've played. That is speculation.

  • 06.07.2009 7:36 AM PDT

Its in the Halo 2 time line.

  • 06.07.2009 7:37 AM PDT

Posted by: Sangheili Dude
the mongoose and spartan laser were made before the event of halo 2

spartan laser- if you ever played halo wars or seen any guides or videos youll notice the spartan unit can use the spartan lasers as their final upgrade

mongoose- its possible in this day and age so its possible in 2552


I never said it was not, did I? No what I said is that stuff, was fun, and so they put it in this game, though why they took out the BR the world may never know. . .

  • 06.07.2009 7:39 AM PDT

1.Arkham Asylum, 2.Mass Effect, 3.Halo CE, 4.Mass Effect 2, 5.Halo 2, 6.Splinter Cell Double Agent, 7.Gears of War 2, 8.Medievil, 9.Oblivion, 10.Crash Team Racing

Posted by: DSR Chainz
But why Brutes?

In the wake of Regret's shameful retreat from New Mombasa, the Prophet of Truth continued his maneuvering - one eye always on his ultimate goal: his rightful and holy ascension. For Truth, his own personal passage was paramount. His Godhood would not be denied. Everything else was secondary. [/quote]

This is from Bungie, and all of this takes place after Regret dies, not before.

SO in there own timeline its off.


"Regret's shameful retreat"

Nowhere it says Truth deployed forces after Regret's death.

Truth didn't want Elites to be on Earth when he planned to go there with Brutes. He didn't want to leave humans alone. Solution: Send in Brutes.

  • 06.07.2009 7:40 AM PDT

I am Field Master Avu Med 'Telcam, Servant of the Abiding Truth, and I have many brothers.

A god who creates tools is still a god. It is not for us to impose qualifications upon the divine or presume to guess its intentions.

Weapons in between timelines is fine, bungie can say it (aka mongoose and Spartan Laser) was not mass produced until after the events of Halo 2, but Taking my Elites away from me, messing up the Halo timeline, AND creating a dumb backup reason that never happened in H2 to explain taking away my elites? No bungie, just no.

  • 06.07.2009 7:44 AM PDT

Posted by: kalle90
Posted by: DSR Chainz
But why Brutes?

In the wake of Regret's shameful retreat from New Mombasa, the Prophet of Truth continued his maneuvering - one eye always on his ultimate goal: his rightful and holy ascension. For Truth, his own personal passage was paramount. His Godhood would not be denied. Everything else was secondary. [/quote]

This is from Bungie, and all of this takes place after Regret dies, not before.

SO in there own timeline its off.


"Regret's shameful retreat"

Nowhere it says Truth deployed forces after Regret's death.

Truth didn't want Elites to be on Earth when he planned to go there with Brutes. He didn't want to leave humans alone. Solution: Send in Brutes.


You need to remember the dates, ODST happens on the 20th of October, 6 hours after regrets jump. It takes them 12 days to get to Halo number 2.

I myself do not remember reading anything about regret taking all the Elites with him, will I agree that he took some with him, yes, but the whole fleet did not leave Earth, just the one ship.

So in the ODST time line, Elites would still be on Earth.

The quoted test by bungie, plainly states that Truth sent the Brutes back to Earth after regrets death, because he did trust the Elites, using Regrets death as an excuse to change the guard. Because the Brutes were more than happy to follow orders.

  • 06.07.2009 7:49 AM PDT

Knowledge talks, wisdom listens.

Posted by: x Foman123 x
Actually, I find that I'm more invincible without pants, which is why I am not wearing any at the moment.

The Elites left with the prophet. Easy as that. Now stop getting worked up. Its Bungies universe, they could make it rain cats if they wanted to.

[Edited on 06.07.2009 7:55 AM PDT]

  • 06.07.2009 7:50 AM PDT

Posted by: matman25402
Weapons in between timelines is fine, bungie can say it (aka mongoose and Spartan Laser) was not mass produced until after the events of Halo 2, but Taking my Elites away from me, messing up the Halo timeline, AND creating a dumb backup reason that never happened in H2 to explain taking away my elites? No bungie, just no.


Thats what I'm saying, I get that things, like armor and weapons change because it was cool in Halo 3 so why take it away for ODST?. . . . unless its the BR. . . WTF BBQ???? And I'm fine with that because like you said, it existed you just did not have it at your disposal.

I do find the AR BR flop funny in ODST you have an AR even though in halo 2 you had the BR. . . I guess this was meant to give an explanation as to the return of the AR? IDK

Anyways, in this game there -blam!- up there own time line, unless there are elites in the game and there just -blam!- with us.

  • 06.07.2009 7:54 AM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

it appears you have fallen into a sarchasm...
its the gap between someone making a sarcastic comment, and you picking up on that sarcasm...

Doesn't really matter.

You can't change bungie's mind on this.

  • 06.07.2009 7:55 AM PDT

Tone Matrix
My Best: 8482, 4224, 59392, 110626, 58496, 4096, 59432, 110728, 57864, 4128, 116872, 102400, 50216, 4176, 2208, 4096
Mario Theme: 82052, 82052, 0, 82052, 0, 82448, 82052, 0, 81986, 0, 0, 0, 84032, 0, 0, 0
My First: 256, 86016, 64, 10834, 0, 86080, 16, 43088, 0, 86274, 66, 21826, 0, 87040, 256, 43330
Star Wars Theme: 8448, 8448, 8448, 2112, 0, 0, 264, 0, 0, 528, 1056, 2112, 0, 66, 0, 0

You're just looking for inconsistencies and finding them when they aren't there. The Elites in New Mombasa were a preliminary force used to capture the city. Before the carrier jumped, the Elites were recalled and the Brutes took their place. In ODST the Brutes are the occupiers, which fits perfectly well with the timeline.
Bungie sets the story. Stop complaining about it. Youre only sore because you don't get to fight your favorite enemy. Get over it.

  • 06.07.2009 7:55 AM PDT

Posted by: EpicFailMan50
The Elites left with the prophet. Easy as that. Now stop getting worked up. its Bungies universe, they could make it rain cats if they wanted to.


Again only one ship left, Regrets. Your gonna set there and tell me that all the elites left on that one ship???? I don't think so. Because In Halo 3 It states the elites have been helping you since the end of Halo 2 during the 2 weeks that this, change of what the Covenant is took place. And the two weeks that take John to get back Earth.

  • 06.07.2009 8:00 AM PDT

Posted by: Godavari
You're just looking for inconsistencies and finding them when they aren't there. The Elites in New Mombasa were a preliminary force used to capture the city. Before the carrier jumped, the Elites were recalled and the Brutes took their place. In ODST the Brutes are the occupiers, which fits perfectly well with the timeline.
Bungie sets the story. Stop complaining about it. Youre only sore because you don't get to fight your favorite enemy. Get over it.


Again I have proof of what I'm saying were is yours? I don't remember EVER seeing them recalled.

  • 06.07.2009 8:01 AM PDT

Tone Matrix
My Best: 8482, 4224, 59392, 110626, 58496, 4096, 59432, 110728, 57864, 4128, 116872, 102400, 50216, 4176, 2208, 4096
Mario Theme: 82052, 82052, 0, 82052, 0, 82448, 82052, 0, 81986, 0, 0, 0, 84032, 0, 0, 0
My First: 256, 86016, 64, 10834, 0, 86080, 16, 43088, 0, 86274, 66, 21826, 0, 87040, 256, 43330
Star Wars Theme: 8448, 8448, 8448, 2112, 0, 0, 264, 0, 0, 528, 1056, 2112, 0, 66, 0, 0

Posted by: DSR Chainz
Your gonna set there and tell me that all the elites left on that one ship????

Yep.

Posted by: DSR Chainz
Posted by: Godavari
You're just looking for inconsistencies and finding them when they aren't there. The Elites in New Mombasa were a preliminary force used to capture the city. Before the carrier jumped, the Elites were recalled and the Brutes took their place. In ODST the Brutes are the occupiers, which fits perfectly well with the timeline.
Bungie sets the story. Stop complaining about it. Youre only sore because you don't get to fight your favorite enemy. Get over it.

Again I have proof of what I'm saying were is yours? I don't remember EVER seeing them recalled.

My proof is that we don't fight Elites in ODST.

[Edited on 06.07.2009 8:04 AM PDT]

  • 06.07.2009 8:02 AM PDT

Posted by: Godavari
Posted by: DSR Chainz
Your gonna set there and tell me that all the elites left on that one ship????

Yep.


That makes less since than it raining cats and dogs.

  • 06.07.2009 8:03 AM PDT

Knowledge talks, wisdom listens.

Posted by: x Foman123 x
Actually, I find that I'm more invincible without pants, which is why I am not wearing any at the moment.

Thats exactly what im saying. All the Elites that were currently on the planet could have easily fitted into Regrets ship. The Elites and Brutes had been fighting for years, even before the Covenant first made contact with Humans on harvest. Also, it would help if you formed sentences like a sane person.

Posted by: DSR Chainz
Because In Halo 3 It states the elites have been helping you since the end of Halo 2 during the 2 weeks that this, change of what the Covenant is took place. And the two weeks that take John to get back Earth.

  • 06.07.2009 8:04 AM PDT
  •  | 
  • Exalted Mythic Member
  • gamertag: Gazas
  • user homepage:

The Mythic Threads (Halo 3) (ODST) (Reach)

Some people say that Chief killed Regret while the Rookie was asleep. On Halopedia it says:

Metropolis (Level), Date: October 20th.

Prophet of Regret, Date of Death: November 2nd.

So...if that theory is right, then he was asleep for 12 days.

  • 06.07.2009 8:07 AM PDT
  •  | 
  • Exalted Mythic Member

Anyone who’s played MP on Xbox Live knows the following is true: Teenagers, plus anonymity, plus microphone = idiot.-Frankie
Casual and Hardcore nutshell
Posted By: Im SteelAssassn
Thanks for choosing to whine over being a productive member of the community and possible element towards advancing Reach.

When you think about it it makes sense, you're not looking at the whole picture. At the time Regret thought something was on Earth and since Elites were still at the top of their game they were with him on Earth. Whatever Regret found it lead him to the second Halo ring, as such he called back all of his forces inorder for them to protect him (and look how that turned out.)

Because Regret found Halo Earth was deemed a low priority for the Covenant despite it being the humans home world. They figured if they could activate Halo it would kill all the humans and send them on the Great Journey (which as we know would just kill them anyway.) At the time the Brutes were still unimportant so they sent a detachment to Earth in case anything went wrong.

The reason behind the power armor is because in Halo 2 we were going against Tarturas's Brute pack. It's believe that Tarturas believes in the Brutes natural strength so his pack did NOT wear the Power Armor.

As for "weapon and vehicles inconsistency" you really think that the UNSC didn't have Mongooses, Hornets, and the appropriate weapons at the time? There's more armaments in the Halo universe than what we've seen. Seriously that's just nitpicking.

  • 06.07.2009 8:12 AM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

it appears you have fallen into a sarchasm...
its the gap between someone making a sarcastic comment, and you picking up on that sarcasm...

Posted by: DSR Chainz
Posted by: Godavari
Posted by: DSR Chainz
Your gonna set there and tell me that all the elites left on that one ship????

Yep.


That makes less since than it raining cats and dogs.

That is plausible.

I don't know why, but once it did rain frogs in Mexico. probably got whipped up in a storm.

[Edited on 06.07.2009 8:14 AM PDT]

  • 06.07.2009 8:13 AM PDT

Posted by: EpicFailMan50
Thats exactly what im saying. All the Elites that were currently on the planet could have easily fitted into Regrets ship. The Elites and Brutes had been fighting for years, even before the Covenant first made contact with Humans on harvest. Also, it would help if you formed sentences like a sane person.

Posted by: DSR Chainz
Because In Halo 3 It states the elites have been helping you since the end of Halo 2 during the 2 weeks that this, change of what the Covenant is took place. And the two weeks that take John to get back Earth.


Sorry a little early for me. LOL.

I just find it funny, how time after time bungie goes . . . "Oh nope never mind we lied. . ." and here we have what could be a 50/50 case of that, yet people are so willing the believe something that was arbitrary, put in a post that seemed more like a last min idea that came out of no were. (( for the post not the game))

Thing is the Halo time line says one thing bungie says another I get this.

How ever there is really, no reason other that the assumption he recalled them and left. If I remember the ass kicking I was giving him right, Regret just bolted. It does not seem likely he had the time to recall them.

All I'm saying is don't be so quick to count it out just because bungie said something . . . Again how anytime did they say Halo 3 would finish the fight . . . And that after this they would move on to other not Halo games yet more Halo games and not a word of anything else.

And yet here we are again finishing the fight . . . Again.

This game will be good ether way I'm sure, it just logically does not make since to not have them in the game. The only real reason I can think of is that someone forgot and just did not do it.

  • 06.07.2009 8:17 AM PDT

  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • of 3