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Subject: Dear Time Travel Theorists

Posted by: GhostRider1172
Time travel is not part of Halo.

'Nuff said. And don't even consider that strange, undiscovered Forerunner technology that could enable time travel should enter into this discussion or, gods forbid, suddenly pop-up in any of the games. After all, the Forerunner either could not come up with the technology or found it impractical to solve the matter of the Flood infestation that destroyed their empire a hundred millenia before.



I for one do not believe in all the Time Travel theories, but saying it's not part of Halo is just...dumb. Well, sorry to burst your bubble, but time travel is a part of the Halo universe. Here you go.
*Puts on flame shield*

  • 06.27.2009 10:59 AM PDT

| Mythic |, the crystal "bends" or distorts time and space, it doesn't completely transcend either.

Example:
Spartan 117 was on the Pillar of Autumn when it fled to Installation 04. He was there for several days. However, the surviving human forces on REACH were only holding out for a few hours by the time he got back in Halo: First Strike. The crystal distorted the passage of time in the vicinity of REACH.

  • 06.27.2009 11:36 AM PDT

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Posted by: SweetTRIX
Posted by: chickenlittle
I was thinking of an Arabian carpet.


Was gonna say that, but i'm not sure if it's actually called Arabian carpet, but anyway.


They're called Persian Rugs ;)


Ahhh, certainly sounds more legit.

  • 06.28.2009 1:10 AM PDT

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Posted by: chickenlittle
| Mythic |, the crystal "bends" or distorts time and space, it doesn't completely transcend either.

Example:
Spartan 117 was on the Pillar of Autumn when it fled to Installation 04. He was there for several days. However, the surviving human forces on REACH were only holding out for a few hours by the time he got back in Halo: First Strike. The crystal distorted the passage of time in the vicinity of REACH.


The truth strikes again, i like this thread.

  • 06.28.2009 1:27 AM PDT
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Posted by: house187
Now hopefully slipspace will make a little more sense to even the simplest of time travel theorists.


Is this concept an actual accomplishable feat. Or was it made up in Fiction. Can we actually apply factual explenation to fiction. Is it possible that while going into slip space that the ships fusion reactors malfunctioned. The cooling system failed and the primary engine exploded. Causing a malfunction and while manipulating into slipspace the explotion actually caused a rip in the space time continuam. Thus instead of skipping along the folds of space they passthrough the fabric of time. And the next thing you see is Chief and Lancelot arguing about who has the best armor.

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  • 06.28.2009 7:32 AM PDT
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Can't wait until Bungie gives out Info about the game's storyline, just so we can all laugh at the Time Travel theories.

  • 06.28.2009 7:46 AM PDT

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Yeah the Time Travelling is stupid. It is obviously about the Fall of Reach, just one side has never been told.

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  • 06.28.2009 8:24 AM PDT

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And the next thing you see is Chief and Lancelot arguing about who has the best armor.

I'm sure Lancelot would definitely have some fashion tips for MC, the Army green is soooo 2552 lol... But you know Merlin was a time traveler... OH GOD! Here come the time travel theories again!!
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  • 06.28.2009 10:15 PM PDT

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In First Strike, the crystal they find in castle base, doesn't that allow time travel?, and since its destroyed how can the MC travel back in time?

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Posted by: SPARTANICUS 117
In First Strike, the crystal they find in castle base, doesn't that allow time travel?, and since its destroyed how can the MC travel back in time?

As has been said several times in this thread (and at the top of this very page), no, it does not.

  • 06.29.2009 9:59 AM PDT

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i was about to say all it does is make you move at or near lightspeed or as they said n 2001 a space oddyssey it moves you through one dimmensoin into the original dimmension but in a different place

  • 07.01.2009 5:37 PM PDT

Thanks for clearing this up. Anyone that thinks that the Master Chief is capable of time travel clearly is really over-thinking this, not to mention giving a huge middle finger to the series. Time travel, seriously?!

  • 07.01.2009 6:12 PM PDT

Posted by: chickenlittle
Assuming Bungie allows this novel to retain its accuracy, and don't essentially say "-blam!- you!" to Nylund, Spartan 117 would not come back in time. Doing so would significantly change several or even most events in the Battle of REACH, possibly changing the outcome, and even possibly preventing Halo: Combat Evolved's events from happening as well.


ever seen back to the future.. or terminator? there are a ton of time travel theories..not just yours.

the theory is plausible, so you cant just write it off. It is bungie's game so they can do what they want. I think either way it will be a fun game. But seriously dude...don't be a dick.

  • 07.01.2009 6:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: MLGxXBaCkStAb
Posted by: chickenlittle
Assuming Bungie allows this novel to retain its accuracy, and don't essentially say "-blam!- you!" to Nylund, Spartan 117 would not come back in time. Doing so would significantly change several or even most events in the Battle of REACH, possibly changing the outcome, and even possibly preventing Halo: Combat Evolved's events from happening as well.


ever seen back to the future.. or terminator? there are a ton of time travel theories..not just yours.

the theory is plausible, so you cant just write it off. It is bungie's game so they can do what they want. I think either way it will be a fun game. But seriously dude...don't be a dick.


DId you read the whole post? It's not about how viable a time travel theory is, it's about the fact that within the Halo universe the use of time travel is incredible unlikely, given the history of those involved. This was all put together to curb the amazing amount of time travel theories that kept popping up shortly after E3 and continue to pop up almost daily.

[Edited on 07.01.2009 6:57 PM PDT]

  • 07.01.2009 6:39 PM PDT

Posted by: MLGxXBaCkStAb
Posted by: chickenlittle
Assuming Bungie allows this novel to retain its accuracy, and don't essentially say "-blam!- you!" to Nylund, Spartan 117 would not come back in time. Doing so would significantly change several or even most events in the Battle of REACH, possibly changing the outcome, and even possibly preventing Halo: Combat Evolved's events from happening as well.


ever seen back to the future.. or terminator? there are a ton of time travel theories..not just yours.
This would be relevant, because...? Those are different franchises with different plot strategies.

the theory is plausible*sigh* Proof, please and thank you!
so you cant just write it off. It is bungie's game so they can do what they want.I have a statement by Joseph Staten, Bungie's main story writer, that indicates he does not like time travel as a plot point.I think either way it will be a fun game. But seriously dude...don't be a dick.Congratulations, you just informed everyone that you believe using facts and relevant images and links in an argument makes you a dick. Way to go.

Like SweetTRXI just stated, I'm not trying to discredit it. I provided facts as to why it's unlikely, and asked everyone to stop and think before they post a new theory. This thread was originally created to reduce the amount of Time Travel theories being posted. And in the OP, I easily destroyed most if not all points you can make about it.

And, as I've been saying for a while now, go ahead. Prove me wrong with facts about why it will be in Halo: REACH. Until you can do that, please stop and think before you post.

Thank you.

  • 07.01.2009 9:07 PM PDT

Veritas Aequitas

Not to shatter your whole argument, but the novel was written in, shall we say, current time. The chief encounters everything there and then goes on to encounter the flood, ark, etc.

Assuming Time travel is used (which i don't think it will but for the sake of the argument..) the chief would not appear in the books story. The chief would appear in a seperate time line which the book did not cover.

So in a nutshell:

The book is on timeline A. Chief was sent to A and then skewed it into timeline B.

Plus the book was written before any knowledge of what Bungie was going to do with the story so if they want to change something that was written by someone outside of the storytelling game circle, then they can do that.

  • 07.02.2009 12:39 AM PDT

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Posted by: chickenlittle
You all need to stop. Right now.

Time travel will not happen.

I will reference a little novel here called: "Halo: Fall of REACH", by Eric Nylund. This novel is Canon. Nylund has been endorsed multiple times by Bungie, and has multiple novels[Halo: Fall of REACH, Halo: First Strike, Halo: Ghosts of Onyx].

Halo: Fall of REACH details the battles near and on REACH, from the fleet battles and the overwhelming of the UNSC orbital defences, to the overrunning of the UNSC ground forces.

In particular, I'm speaking of Spartan 117's actions in this time frame. John(Spartan 117) was sent to an orbiting station to destroy a ship's intact NAV data(contains information on all human worlds), along with Linda(Spartan 058) and James(Spartan ###)[Chapter 35, Page 306]. In the ensuing events, said NAV data is destroyed, James is flung out into space, John and Linda meet up with several Marines, and Linda goes flatline. Spartan 117 goes back to the Pillar of Autumn with Linda's body, Sergeant Johnson and several Marines. Pillar of Autumn jumps out of the system, cue Halo: Combat Evolved.

During this time, the rest of the Spartans head planet-side to defend key locations, such as the Super MAC platform power generators, and are subsequently overrun.

Assuming Bungie allows this novel to retain its accuracy, and don't essentially say "-blam!- you!" to Nylund, Spartan 117 would not come back in time. Doing so would significantly change several or even most events in the Battle of REACH, possibly changing the outcome, and even possibly preventing Halo: Combat Evolved's events from happening as well.

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Proof of the Halo novels being Canon:
Interview of Joseph Staten by HBO's "Halo Story Page"

HSP: Would the books make the cut?

JS: The books are, for better or worse, part of the canon. In the future we may choose to revise or flat-out ignore some of the less appealing ideas (Johnson's biological immunity to the Flood, for example), but folks should treat them as defining elements of the Halo universe.

Joseph Staten Interview

_________________________________________________________

I would like to take this time to thank you for reading this all the way through, and hope this can talk some sense into some of you.

In addition, please feel free to point out any inconsistencies or incorrect facts I may have included in this.

-Chicken

there is still no overlying evidence that shows time travel cant happen douche

  • 07.02.2009 8:58 AM PDT

ityler

my bad. i shouldnt have said douche. its opinion. plus. i havent been on these forums for like three months. i have no idea what the theories are

  • 07.02.2009 8:59 AM PDT

Posted by: ZYPHER8 Iz BaK
my bad. i shouldnt have said douche. its opinion. plus. i havent been on these forums for like three months. i have no idea what the theories are


Being on the forum for 3 months is no excuse for being rude and ignorant. You've used the same excuse in like 3 other threads where you've either insulted somebody or have been proven wrong.

Sorry for getting off topic had to bring that up. Anyway the whole time travel thing is really weak for numerous reasons but I think the main reason is in this case it is TOTALLY unnecessary. Why does Chief need to go back in time? He trains on Reach since he was a child and even takes part in the battle above. There is absolutely no reason he has to go back in time. If you read The Fall of Reach, you already know there is a fleshed out story that did not require any time travel what so ever.

My point is basically Chief is already in the battle of Reach without any time travel. So there is no need for him to go back in time to have a greater role.

[Edited on 07.02.2009 9:40 AM PDT]

  • 07.02.2009 9:38 AM PDT

ityler

Posted by: swani56
Posted by: ZYPHER8 Iz BaK
my bad. i shouldnt have said douche. its opinion. plus. i havent been on these forums for like three months. i have no idea what the theories are


Being on the forum for 3 months is no excuse for being rude and ignorant. You've used the same excuse in like 3 other threads where you've either insulted somebody or have been proven wrong.

Sorry for getting off topic had to bring that up. Anyway the whole time travel thing is really weak for numerous reasons but I think the main reason is in this case it is TOTALLY unnecessary. Why does Chief need to go back in time? He trains on Reach since he was a child and even takes part in the battle above. There is absolutely no reason he has to go back in time. If you read The Fall of Reach, you already know there is a fleshed out story that did not require any time travel what so ever.

My point is basically Chief is already in the battle of Reach without any time travel. So there is no need for him to go back in time to have a greater role.

thats why i apologized. and actaully the other times i wasnt proven wrong, it was an opinion. and it was oinly two threads not thrre. and i was the one insulted. i didnt insult anyone besides this guy. so suck it -blam!-. and im not ignorant. i just stick to my opinions unless there is good evidence showing otherwise

  • 07.02.2009 9:46 AM PDT

Posted by: ZYPHER8 Iz BaK
Posted by: swani56
Posted by: ZYPHER8 Iz BaK
my bad. i shouldnt have said douche. its opinion. plus. i havent been on these forums for like three months. i have no idea what the theories are


Being on the forum for 3 months is no excuse for being rude and ignorant. You've used the same excuse in like 3 other threads where you've either insulted somebody or have been proven wrong.

Sorry for getting off topic had to bring that up. Anyway the whole time travel thing is really weak for numerous reasons but I think the main reason is in this case it is TOTALLY unnecessary. Why does Chief need to go back in time? He trains on Reach since he was a child and even takes part in the battle above. There is absolutely no reason he has to go back in time. If you read The Fall of Reach, you already know there is a fleshed out story that did not require any time travel what so ever.

My point is basically Chief is already in the battle of Reach without any time travel. So there is no need for him to go back in time to have a greater role.

thats why i apologized. and actaully the other times i wasnt proven wrong, it was an opinion. and it was oinly two threads not thrre. and i was the one insulted. i didnt insult anyone besides this guy. so suck it -blam!-. and im not ignorant. i just stick to my opinions unless there is good evidence showing otherwise
"Good evidence" is relative. The intelligent members here consider "good evidence" linking to facts and backing theories up with quotes, images, etc. On one of the other pages, there is a quote with link to Joseph Staten saying he dislikes Time Travel. I must have not added it into the OP for some reason.

  • 07.02.2009 11:13 AM PDT

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Posted by: BoondockSaint32
Not to shatter your whole argument, but the novel was written in, shall we say, current time. The chief encounters everything there and then goes on to encounter the flood, ark, etc.

Assuming Time travel is used (which i don't think it will but for the sake of the argument..) the chief would not appear in the books story. The chief would appear in a seperate time line which the book did not cover.

So in a nutshell:

The book is on timeline A. Chief was sent to A and then skewed it into timeline B.

Plus the book was written before any knowledge of what Bungie was going to do with the story so if they want to change something that was written by someone outside of the storytelling game circle, then they can do that.


Not to shatter your whole argument, but the time travel model that your mentioning is one of two main models. Considering both are theoretical, there is no point in argueing the semantics behind what "would" and "could" happen. The bottom line is that in the Halo universe the likelyhood of time travel is slim to non.

In regards to what you said about the book, check your facts. The book was released just before the game, and the game was in development for more than 5 years prior. Also the author of The Fall of Reach worked with Bungie, so saying that they didn't know where the story was going is a mis-informed statement.

  • 07.02.2009 4:23 PM PDT

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I must say, i have the utmost respect for chickenlittle and SweetTRIX, despite the flamers in this forum you guys continue to conduct yourselves in a professional manner and present your arguments in a very comprehensible way. A+ for you guys lol

  • 07.02.2009 9:45 PM PDT

Recently came across this video analyzing the teaser more closely and I think it helps the no time travel theory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC7zveMPWek&feature=channe %20l_page

If you watch this it is speculated that a Spartan is seen floating in space. If you've read the books you know James is thrown into space and speculated to be dead (note also you can see that the battle is still taking place in this scene as well WHICH is a battle 117 is taking part in.

Now this tells us that if Master chief doe sin fact go back in time...he isn't doing a very good job considering Reach is still getting bombarded and James dies the exact same way he does in the books.

This teaser analysis also shows how completely different Reach is in comparison to the planet shown at the end of Halo 3.

Anyone want to tear this theory apart? (Not saying it in a cocky way, I simply want to see if I made any mistakes or if there are any plot holes in what I've just said.)

  • 07.02.2009 9:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: ZYPHER8 Iz BaK
there is still no overlying evidence that shows time travel cant happen douche
and since this appears to be the overwhelming argument posed by the "pro-time-travel" crowd...I remain unconvinced that time travel will play any part in Halo: Reach.

Until you guys come up with a better theory to support your beliefs, the majority of us will remain unmoved by your arguments.

  • 07.02.2009 10:02 PM PDT