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Subject: Dear Time Travel Theorists
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Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: Sanjeev
chickenlitte, I'm sorry to tell you that what you have done is in vain. You see, I spent my entire weekend fighting off these theories. But...to no avail.

It is a battle we cannot win.
Sanjeev, what I am doing is not fighting. Fighting them is moot.

This is to limit the damage, as they usually only read topics after they post. This is when this thread comes into play.


Different approach than what I took. I hope it works though.

Listen to him, crazy theorists. Please.

  • 06.08.2009 5:46 AM PDT

Without me, it's just "Aweso".

Posted by: Sanjeev
Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: Sanjeev
chickenlitte, I'm sorry to tell you that what you have done is in vain. You see, I spent my entire weekend fighting off these theories. But...to no avail.

It is a battle we cannot win.
Sanjeev, what I am doing is not fighting. Fighting them is moot.

This is to limit the damage, as they usually only read topics after they post. This is when this thread comes into play.


Different approach than what I took. I hope it works though.

Listen to him, crazy theorists. Please.

I'm sorry, but for them to listen, we have to translate. Allow me.

acording to da way halo iz supposd 2 go, master cheif cant go back in time bcuz it would be stoopid.

Hope that helped.

  • 06.08.2009 6:07 AM PDT

This would be a good time to point out that the US Government seriously did consider nuking the moon during the Cold War as a show of force. Project A119.

"A large explosion on the Terminator line would put the sun behind the mushroom cloud, making the explosion visible with the naked eye from Earth."

Then the US decided they'd just send in Neil Armstrong to land on it. Neil Armstrong - the one man on the earth that was considered a suitable replacement for a nuclear missile.

I think it's starting to work...

  • 06.08.2009 9:50 AM PDT

Without me, it's just "Aweso".

Posted by: pawnanism
I think it's starting to work...
Apparently not.

  • 06.08.2009 9:56 AM PDT

Your toast has been burned! And NO amount of scraping will remove the black parts!!.

They just need a forum filter that hides any thread containing "time" and "travel" in the same sentence.

  • 06.08.2009 10:09 AM PDT

Without me, it's just "Aweso".

Posted by: Mid7night
They just need a forum filter that hides any thread containing "time" and "travel" in the same sentence.
But what if I want to know what time Chief is going to travel to the station? ;D

  • 06.08.2009 10:10 AM PDT

Your toast has been burned! And NO amount of scraping will remove the black parts!!.

Posted by: mike120593
But what if I want to know what time Chief is going to travel to the station? ;D


:D I'd pay that price, if it meant a less cluttered more intelligent forum. ;-)

  • 06.08.2009 10:13 AM PDT
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Posted by: chickenlittle

Assuming Bungie allows this novel to retain its accuracy, and don't essentially say "-blam!- you!" to Nylund, Spartan 117 would not come back in time. Doing so would significantly change several or even most events in the Battle of REACH, possibly changing the outcome, and even possibly preventing Halo: Combat Evolved's events from happening as well.


NUH UH! NUH UUUUH!
JHON IS TEH AEWSOME!
I WANT PLAY HLAO WITHOOUT HIM!

I'm kidding (obviously), good job Chicken, this happens on almost every major game that does a continuation game. Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy, Star Fox and now Halo. The theories are kind of funny, but the fact is, it would excessively confusing and make for an aggravating game to have time traveling Spartans. If it was true, wouldn't he change the future by bringing the mark VI armors to pre-mark V era? exactly. I stopped paying attention to what i was typing right now and am currently watching CSI. Either way, good job Chicken.

  • 06.08.2009 10:24 AM PDT

Non facete nobis calcitrare vestrum perinaeum

Time travel throws up so many paradoxes that it is a stupid plot device in itself. I would hope that it thread stops the slew of "time-travel theorie", but alas most people on this forum are OMG NEW HALO GAME.

  • 06.08.2009 10:38 AM PDT

Posted by: Terminator05
Time travel throws up so many paradoxes that it is a stupid plot device in itself. I would hope that it thread stops the slew of "time-travel theorie", but alas most people on this forum are OMG NEW HALO GAME.
Yes, the paradoxes are a big problem also.

  • 06.08.2009 11:30 AM PDT
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Notice how no time travel theorist shows up in these threads? They run and hide in the face of facts, like cockroaches running from the sunlight. What can we do? Grab some more insecticide, that's what.

  • 06.08.2009 12:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: Reed6969
i could see a few people thinkin this

But why so many?



12yr olds what do you expect.

  • 06.08.2009 12:58 PM PDT

Armor Lock isn't overpowered. You just suck at Reach :)

Reach isn't bad, you're just a BK :)

For my gamertag, look up "Ghoulishtie"

I find it hilarious how others keep making topics about how they support the theory, yet they stay away from these topics, knowing that we are right, and they are wrong.

Just makes me wish I had the ability to throw punches through monitors/screens...

  • 06.08.2009 1:02 PM PDT

Doc: "i'm a pacifist"
Caboose: "your a thing that babies suck on?"
Tucker: "no dude, that's a pedephile"
Church: "tucker, i think he means a pacifier"

Posted by: Strike Force
Notice how no time travel theorist shows up in these threads? They run and hide in the face of facts, like cockroaches running from the sunlight. What can we do? Grab some more insecticide, that's what.


The OP of one of the threads for time travel sited wikipedia as his source for proof of how time travel could work in the game, I almost fell out of my chair. There is just far too much to consider when dealing with time trival. Evey Halo book has done a great job of explaining things within relative detail, even the things that are unexplainable have theories behind them (within that universe). Why clutter the spectrum and upset the existing universe by introducing something like time travel, which is heavilly used as a cop-out by several writers?

Time trival lost it's luster more than a decade ago. There has not been any good property that dealt with it in some time, and to take something as time travel seriously is practically impossibly because those who push for it's possibility cannot agree on how it would work.

Whether it's in a sci-fi type of story or not, time travel does not fit into the Halo universe, period.

  • 06.08.2009 2:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: chickenlittle
You all need to stop. Right now.

Time travel will not happen.

I will reference a little novel here called: "Halo: Fall of REACH", by Eric Nylund. This novel is Canon. Nylund has been endorsed multiple times by Bungie, and has multiple novels[Halo: Fall of REACH, Halo: First Strike, Halo: Ghosts of Onyx].

Halo: Fall of REACH details the battles near and on REACH, from the fleet battles and the overwhelming of the UNSC orbital defences, to the overrunning of the UNSC ground forces.

In particular, I'm speaking of Spartan 117's actions in this time frame. John(Spartan 117) was sent to an orbiting station to destroy a ship's intact NAV data(contains information on all human worlds), along with Linda(Spartan 058) and James(Spartan ###)[Chapter 35, Page 306]. In the ensuing events, said NAV data is destroyed, James is flung out into space, John and Linda meet up with several Marines, and Linda goes flatline. Spartan 117 goes back to the Pillar of Autumn with Linda's body, Sergeant Johnson and several Marines. Pillar of Autumn jumps out of the system, cue Halo: Combat Evolved.

During this time, the rest of the Spartans head planet-side to defend key locations, such as the Super MAC platform power generators, and are subsequently overrun.

Assuming Bungie allows this novel to retain its accuracy, and don't essentially say "-blam!- you!" to Nylund, Spartan 117 would not come back in time. Doing so would significantly change several or even most events in the Battle of REACH, possibly changing the outcome, and even possibly preventing Halo: Combat Evolved's events from happening as well.

_________________________________________________________

Proof of the Halo novels being Canon:
Interview of Joseph Staten by HBO's "Halo Story Page"

HSP: Would the books make the cut?

JS: The books are, for better or worse, part of the canon. In the future we may choose to revise or flat-out ignore some of the less appealing ideas (Johnson's biological immunity to the Flood, for example), but folks should treat them as defining elements of the Halo universe.

Joseph Staten Interview

_________________________________________________________

I would like to take this time to thank you for reading this all the way through, and hope this can talk some sense into some of you.

In addition, please feel free to point out any inconsistencies or incorrect facts I may have included in this.

-Chicken


thank you. you have made my job alot easier now i dont have to yell at every one.

  • 06.08.2009 2:18 PM PDT
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OP you could have just said grandfather clause.

  • 06.08.2009 2:55 PM PDT

The Risk Is Worth The Reward.
Cry Havoc And Let Slip The Dogs Of War.

Its about time we had some reason in this forum. Great thread man <3

  • 06.08.2009 3:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: chickenlittle
You all need to stop. Right now.

Time travel will not happen.

I will reference a little novel here called: "Halo: Fall of REACH", by Eric Nylund. This novel is Canon. Nylund has been endorsed multiple times by Bungie, and has multiple novels[Halo: Fall of REACH, Halo: First Strike, Halo: Ghosts of Onyx].

Halo: Fall of REACH details the battles near and on REACH, from the fleet battles and the overwhelming of the UNSC orbital defences, to the overrunning of the UNSC ground forces.

In particular, I'm speaking of Spartan 117's actions in this time frame. John(Spartan 117) was sent to an orbiting station to destroy a ship's intact NAV data(contains information on all human worlds), along with Linda(Spartan 058) and James(Spartan ###)[Chapter 35, Page 306]. In the ensuing events, said NAV data is destroyed, James is flung out into space, John and Linda meet up with several Marines, and Linda goes flatline. Spartan 117 goes back to the Pillar of Autumn with Linda's body, Sergeant Johnson and several Marines. Pillar of Autumn jumps out of the system, cue Halo: Combat Evolved.

During this time, the rest of the Spartans head planet-side to defend key locations, such as the Super MAC platform power generators, and are subsequently overrun.

Assuming Bungie allows this novel to retain its accuracy, and don't essentially say "-blam!- you!" to Nylund, Spartan 117 would not come back in time. Doing so would significantly change several or even most events in the Battle of REACH, possibly changing the outcome, and even possibly preventing Halo: Combat Evolved's events from happening as well.

_________________________________________________________

Proof of the Halo novels being Canon:
Interview of Joseph Staten by HBO's "Halo Story Page"

HSP: Would the books make the cut?

JS: The books are, for better or worse, part of the canon. In the future we may choose to revise or flat-out ignore some of the less appealing ideas (Johnson's biological immunity to the Flood, for example), but folks should treat them as defining elements of the Halo universe.

Joseph Staten Interview

_________________________________________________________

I would like to take this time to thank you for reading this all the way through, and hope this can talk some sense into some of you.

In addition, please feel free to point out any inconsistencies or incorrect facts I may have included in this.

-Chicken


I second everything you just said.

  • 06.08.2009 3:45 PM PDT

Thanks for the support, everyone.

Seriously, someone who supports the Time Travel Theories, please, I insist, post in here.

  • 06.08.2009 3:54 PM PDT
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in all and total honesty i have to agree that it isnt time travel. but i feel bad crashing down on the treky's like this. lets not forget that in the halo books Dr.Halsey told john that the artifact they had with them made john and all them go through time differently so that john showed up at reach only days after the attack.

im not saying i agree with the time travel idea. im just trying to be fair and point out that there are some good reasons, no matter how few, for thinking about time travel.

CHICKEN IS STILL TOTALY RIGHT.

[Edited on 06.08.2009 3:56 PM PDT]

  • 06.08.2009 3:56 PM PDT

For the last freaking time....

TIME DILATION IS NOT TIME TRAVEL!!!!

Time Dilation is when time is slowed down or sped up for one or multiple individuals, while seemingly going at the same rate for the rest of the universe.

Time Travel is when an individual or multiple individuals travel forward or backward in time without experiencing the events between their journey's start and endpoints.

  • 06.08.2009 3:59 PM PDT

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So am I the only one that remembers a little blurb about a time anomaly, stated by Cortana, in First Strike? I can't quote it, so shoot me, but I would say that, unless I'm wrong, such a thing in canon would definitely open the possibility up for a form of "time travel" in the game.

I don't think such theories will come about in the game, personally, but that doesn't give me the right to tell those that do to shut up.

  • 06.08.2009 4:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: Shai Hulud
So am I the only one that remembers a little blurb about a time anomaly, stated by Cortana, in First Strike? I can't quote it, so shoot me, but I would say that, unless I'm wrong, such a thing in canon would definitely open the possibility up for a form of "time travel" in the game.

I don't think such theories will come about in the game, personally, but that doesn't give me the right to tell those that do to shut up.


What you mean how the crystal was warping Space-Time and altering how fast time was passing? Yeah we're aware of it. That's called Time Dilation if you want you can either start going along at relativistic speeds or fly near the event horizon of a black hole to experience it's effects.

IT IS NOT TIME TRAVEL TIME IS STILL MOVING FORWARD, BUT AT A DIFFERENT RATE.

  • 06.08.2009 4:13 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

Not exactly what I was talking about. If I can find the passage on the internet, I'll try. If not, I'll post something about it a week from now when I dig out my copy.

To be fair, due to the linkage of space-time a la special relativity, time dilation can actually be said to be a form of time travel. Space and time are not separate. Traveling in one is traveling in the other.

  • 06.08.2009 4:43 PM PDT

"We sleep peaceably in our beds, because rough men stand ready to visit violence upon those that wish to do us harm."

"Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of all those who threaten them."

Posted by: Shai Hulud
Not exactly what I was talking about. If I can find the passage on the internet, I'll try. If not, I'll post something about it a week from now when I dig out my copy.

To be fair, due to the linkage of space-time a la special relativity, time dilation can actually be said to be a form of time travel. Space and time are not separate. Traveling in one is traveling in the other.


Well by moving you'd be traveling in Space-Time. By moving without time moving you'd be moving in Space and by moving through time without changing your location you'd be traveling through time. At least that's how I view the three. Only 1 is possible.

The only movement that's known in Haloverse is movement in Space-Time any other kind would probably involve some kind of higher dimensional being.

[Edited on 06.08.2009 4:57 PM PDT]

  • 06.08.2009 4:56 PM PDT