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Subject: Dear Time Travel Theorists

The ONLY WAY that I could possible accept that the planet in the background is Reach, is if:

Master Chief's half of the Dawn is cut off in the slipspace portal and ends up floating derelict in space. Later, they show a ship, (You'll notice it is a SEPARATE SHOT) floating toward a planet which time travel theorists think is Reach in the past or some -Blam!- like that. It doesn't require time travel. It's just not the Dawn. There is not Master Chief in that ship. It's a destroyed ship that happens to be the same model as the Dawn which got it's ass kicked in the Fall of Reach. Either that cinematic can take place during the battle on the other side of the planet so you can't see the rest of the fight, or it's set after the planet has been glassed.

So Master Chief doesn't hop out in the past and then fight on Reach with young Chief and friends. It's just a similar looking ship floating toward a possibly glassed Reach in a cinematic that is set in the past.

No time travel required, just clever editing.

  • 06.11.2009 9:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: Nicdog
my theory is that master chief went back in time and is fighting on the planet reach


No one agreed with you on your topic, no one is going to agree with you on this topic. You can take your stupid time-travel theory, and go shove it up your ass.

The time-travel theory is completly idiotic. It would be considered the worst plot twist to happen to halo. It makes me feel stupid to even think of the idea.

  • 06.11.2009 10:04 PM PDT

Posted by: Brent G
The ONLY WAY that I could possible accept that the planet in the background is Reach, is if:

Master Chief's half of the Dawn is cut off in the slipspace portal and ends up floating derelict in space. Later, they show a ship, (You'll notice it is a SEPARATE SHOT) floating toward a planet which time travel theorists think is Reach in the past or some -Blam!- like that. It doesn't require time travel. It's just not the Dawn. There is not Master Chief in that ship. It's a destroyed ship that happens to be the same model as the Dawn which got it's ass kicked in the Fall of Reach. Either that cinematic can take place during the battle on the other side of the planet so you can't see the rest of the fight, or it's set after the planet has been glassed.

So Master Chief doesn't hop out in the past and then fight on Reach with young Chief and friends. It's just a similar looking ship floating toward a possibly glassed Reach in a cinematic that is set in the past.

No time travel required, just clever editing.
Quite right. If you look closely, you'll notice that in the REACH trailer, the broken ship has two halves.

  • 06.12.2009 11:31 AM PDT

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Posted by: money360
I am 100% positive Master Chief will be in this game. Time travel is the only plausible explanation at the moment.

If you did actually see the halo 3 ending, the only explanation is Master Chief and half of the Forward Onto Dawn did get sucked back through the portal, taking them into another universe. This universe could be 100's of years in the past.

And I doubt bungie will follow the novel completely.


Dude, the portals have only ever transcended space, not time, your conclusion is baseless. Though time does not flow the same in slipspace, it is not traversed in slipspace. At least there has never been a theory to prove or even suggest as much. Not to mention the fact that MC was invovled in the engagement around Reach, only on a seperate mission. He later returned (First Strike) to discover that not all of his comrades were dead. Also, they are not in another universe, they are in another part of the universe, it's a much bigger difference than you think.

Further more, while Bungie will most liikely not follow the novel completely, that does not mean they are going to introduce conventions that make no sense, and have been criticised by their own writers. Please read all the arguements and do some research, people will take you more seriously.

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Posted by: Nicdog
my theory is that master chief went back in time and is fighting on the planet reach
And what in terms of proof do you have that can help this become credible? Have you read the relevant novels? Do you understand what is happening in both the games and the novels?

Unless you can answer those questions, all you have is a ridiculous fanboy wanton hope.


You know what? Maybe he does go back in time. Only to tell his younger self to get the hell out of there.


Yea I can picture that, "I came all the way back in time just to tell you, GTF outta here".

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  • 06.12.2009 2:39 PM PDT

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Good information. Nothing we already didn't know. Time travel is possible, but if the story of Halo: REACH follows the storyline of Halo: Fall of Reach, it just can't happen.

  • 06.12.2009 3:17 PM PDT

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  • 06.12.2009 3:23 PM PDT

Posted by: nintenman7
Good information. Nothing we already didn't know. Time travel is possible, but if the story of Halo: REACH follows the storyline of Halo: Fall of Reach, it just can't happen.
This is what we've been trying to point out.

Most people that make the time travel theories have never read the novels, or maybe even heard of them. It's a lack of information and care of lacking that information.


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OP, if it were up to me, i would give you recon right now.
Keep it.

  • 06.12.2009 7:07 PM PDT
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Because the chiefs frozen pod at the legendary ending of H3 is really a TARDIS!

Rofl, kidding.

Time travel is not part of Halo.


That may be true, but Marathon, Halo's origin, had it's main theme as time travel. Let alone the fact that this is Halo and aything can happen. Although I agree that it won't be about time travel, don't just through away ideas because it hasn't been done before. We'll all just have to wait and see what the idea is, as all of these ideas are just assumptions.

What is my idea you ask? You don't?. Well you're gonna hear it anyway.

I read that the Spartans were planning to assault a covenant ship, capture a prophet and bargain with the safe return for a peace treaty. The problem occured when the covenant attacked Reach, where the Pillar of Autumn was in orbit. Not wishing to lose all the marines on board, who would carry out the assault, Master Chief sent all the other Spartans out to Reach to stop the assault. You would play as them or something. I dunno. But then John 117 realises his mistake and goes into cyro sleep (???) as the Pillar of Autumn goes off into slipspace. And as chickenlittle pointed out, cue Halo: CE.

  • 06.14.2009 12:04 AM PDT

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amen brother, time travel is for true Sci-Fi and weird movies, not this game, grand and deep as it may be
if time travel appears in the halo franchise i will eat my xbox in rage, why would i say this? because it will never happen!

  • 06.14.2009 4:23 AM PDT

It seems this thread is still necessary.


To anyone who wants to make a theory on the game, please Check the Halo: REACH FAQ and read the novel: "Halo: Fall of REACH" for the Canon events of the Fall of REACH.

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Posted by: Vigilnt sniper
Agreed improbible but not impossable. we already have proof of that. travel in space slows time and black holes take you back two to three years in age. not exactly time travel but getting close.

Correction. black holes do not allow time travel, the mass of the object is simply added to the mass of the black hole. And lightspeed travel slows down the passage of time

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Posted by: komark
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Posted by: komark
nicely said.
But, I don't think we can rule out time travel just yet.


Ok. We're all entitled to our informed opinions. Please tell us why we can't rule out time travel (because, in the absence of any evidence, I've already ruled it out).

Well because time travel has already happened in the halo verse

No it hasn't! Provide examle

  • 06.14.2009 7:40 PM PDT

Ok, first of all, to even consider the possibility of time travel Bungie would first have to pick ne of many time travel theories, or create their own. This doesn't seem likely, because if the Master Chief was capable of time travel by some extraordinary accident then it's likely, if not highly probable that the Forerunners knew how to time travel, and by this logic none of the events in Halo would have ever happened because the Forerunners would have went back in time and never involved themselves with the Flood, either through never creating them, or never coming into contact with them. I'm not exactly sure how the flood came to be, though my bet is that the Forerunners made them considering they are held captive on Forerunner constructs.

Now for the events of Halo to take place we would have to assume that Bungie is using the time travel theory that dictates that with each incident of time travel an alternate universe is created where the event happened, and the universe they time traveled from is left alone to be unchanged by the time travelers actions. Now personally I feel that Bungie would never use this theory, because ultimately it screws up the continuity of the story no matter how well it's told. So my personal belief is that there will not be any time traveling in Halo because Bungie doesn't wish to turn its franchise into the Terminator.

  • 06.14.2009 7:55 PM PDT
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RAWR!

im pretty sure that at the end of halo john lands on onyx, not reach.

  • 06.14.2009 8:02 PM PDT

Ahhh! can't believe they took it out of the dictionary ....and NO I'm not coming out of my shell untill you get that THING off my avatar

this time travel nonsense is a real Reach!

  • 06.14.2009 9:11 PM PDT

This should also be read:Posted by: xXxKilllgxXx
Ok, first of all, to even consider the possibility of time travel Bungie would first have to pick ne of many time travel theories, or create their own. This doesn't seem likely, because if the Master Chief was capable of time travel by some extraordinary accident then it's likely, if not highly probable that the Forerunners knew how to time travel, and by this logic none of the events in Halo would have ever happened because the Forerunners would have went back in time and never involved themselves with the Flood, either through never creating them, or never coming into contact with them. I'm not exactly sure how the flood came to be, though my bet is that the Forerunners made them considering they are held captive on Forerunner constructs.

Now for the events of Halo to take place we would have to assume that Bungie is using the time travel theory that dictates that with each incident of time travel an alternate universe is created where the event happened, and the universe they time traveled from is left alone to be unchanged by the time travelers actions. Now personally I feel that Bungie would never use this theory, because ultimately it screws up the continuity of the story no matter how well it's told. So my personal belief is that there will not be any time traveling in Halo because Bungie doesn't wish to turn its franchise into the Terminator.

  • 06.14.2009 9:24 PM PDT

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good stuff, i think the forerunners are still alive, but in small colonies inside the shield worlds, maybe only onyx didnt get reached in time before the mass halo event

lolz at the terminator bit, no, i dont think bungie would do that, halo is halo, not time traveling arnies

  • 06.15.2009 2:36 AM PDT

I just wish people were forced to read this before they posted. I mean it's only fair that the less dramatic halo fans put 2 and 2 together - halo 3 ends with a planet, halo reach shows planet, must be same planet.

If only those people - who have a right to think that - would read before the wrote... oh this forum would be so stress free.

  • 06.15.2009 9:52 AM PDT

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Breaks down crying......finally.....people who have read the books!!!

I mean really, reading the books, NOT WIKIPEDIA, should be a requirement before posting theorys.

That way the amount of stupid crap can be cut down.

I am for different theorys, but not ones which fail to follow the plot.

Also why does averyone say the planet reach and the legendary ending are the same. They are not!, the stars are different, the sun is a different colour. Heck there are plenty of theorys about what it may be. (Medicate bias sends John there). But gah,..... Everytime there is a new halo game/book that planet at the end has to be it... Onxy, Reach....what next? Earth?

  • 06.15.2009 10:18 AM PDT

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Posted by: Mc Scarlett
Also why does averyone say the planet reach and the legendary ending are the same. They are not!, the stars are different, the sun is a different colour. Heck there are plenty of theorys about what it may be. (Medicate bias sends John there). But gah,..... Everytime there is a new halo game/book that planet at the end has to be it... Onxy, Reach....what next? Earth?


It's simple, the general understanding of Halo and it's universe for most people is only delivered through the games, thus barely scratching the surface. Not to mention that even those who have read the books, even several times, only have a very limited knowledge of the Halo Universe. What happens is that when people start to spin theories they usually go with what they know, and for most people the planets that stand out the most in memory are Reach and Onyx.

This doesn't make any of them right, but it is more than likely the reason. Look how long it took for several to learn that MC is not the last Spartan after all they had played was Halo CE. Most people will only argue what they know, without digging deeper to provide a better, more creative arguement.

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An incredible write up! Good work.

  • 06.15.2009 1:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: Mc Scarlett
Also why does averyone say the planet reach and the legendary ending are the same. They are not!, the stars are different, the sun is a different colour. Heck there are plenty of theorys about what it may be. (Medicate bias sends John there). But gah,..... Everytime there is a new halo game/book that planet at the end has to be it... Onxy, Reach....what next? Earth?


It's simple, the general understanding of Halo and it's universe for most people is only delivered through the games, thus barely scratching the surface. Not to mention that even those who have read the books, even several times, only have a very limited knowledge of the Halo Universe. What happens is that when people start to spin theories they usually go with what they know, and for most people the planets that stand out the most in memory are Reach and Onyx.

This doesn't make any of them right, but it is more than likely the reason. Look how long it took for several to learn that MC is not the last Spartan after all they had played was Halo CE. Most people will only argue what they know, without digging deeper to provide a better, more creative arguement.
This is true, but there have been multiple cases here in which some of us have provided cited information and images with events and other information on the Haloverse. Some is their fault as well.

  • 06.15.2009 8:49 PM PDT
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Rawr Im a dino!

i hate time travel theorists

  • 06.16.2009 12:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: SweetTRIX
Posted by: Mc Scarlett
Also why does averyone say the planet reach and the legendary ending are the same. They are not!, the stars are different, the sun is a different colour. Heck there are plenty of theorys about what it may be. (Medicate bias sends John there). But gah,..... Everytime there is a new halo game/book that planet at the end has to be it... Onxy, Reach....what next? Earth?


It's simple, the general understanding of Halo and it's universe for most people is only delivered through the games, thus barely scratching the surface. Not to mention that even those who have read the books, even several times, only have a very limited knowledge of the Halo Universe. What happens is that when people start to spin theories they usually go with what they know, and for most people the planets that stand out the most in memory are Reach and Onyx.

This doesn't make any of them right, but it is more than likely the reason. Look how long it took for several to learn that MC is not the last Spartan after all they had played was Halo CE. Most people will only argue what they know, without digging deeper to provide a better, more creative arguement.
This is true, but there have been multiple cases here in which some of us have provided cited information and images with events and other information on the Haloverse. Some is their fault as well.


True enough.

  • 06.16.2009 8:10 PM PDT

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Why is it that everyone is so overwhelmingly anti-time travel? Seriously. You all need to back off before your brain has an anurism. Time travel is not impossible. WOAH HERESY. Time travel is possible until the game comes out and there is no time travel.

If Halo:CE had been this popular before it came out, you ****-tards would have said, "A zombie-like species, thats just stupid." -or- "There is no way Bungie would make it about a galactic superweapon, because thats overused and stupid."

Heres a brilliant idea, unless you are making the game, STFU and let people have opinions. That's how ideas are created.

  • 06.16.2009 8:26 PM PDT