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Subject: Theory: No Time Travel but Reach IS in the Legendary ending

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NEW THEORIES WITH YOUR COLLECTIVE IDEAS AND INFLUENCES

Opening:
Half ship hits the surface of Reach, Chief gets out
Chief: Cortana?
Cortana: Do you remember this?
Both: Reach

Dissecting the Trailer and Reach Media
Components:
-Planet similar if not the same as the planet in the H3 Legendary ending
-"From the BEGINNING you knew the END." *NOTE* many other theories have over analyzed this statement saying that it proves time travel and that Chief will go back in time knowing "the ending" and rewrite the outcome of the Halo Universe. However this statement only confirms that the game will be a prequel.


Reach and My Theory:


I acknowledge all of the story line points from the books, my theory is made to try and work around them while preserving gameplay.

Reach: Glassed
H3 Planet: Structures and signs of civilization

Totally Skeptical?:
Reach Planet=Reach
H3 Planet=Wtf, clever marketing scheme that denotes a future *Halo 4* after Reach? and Reach just looks like the H3 Planet to trick us? hmmm Bungie would . . . but come on, they COULD be related, and its more likely then a random H3 Planet or a foreshadowing sphere of an epic game?

Chances are that they planets are the same if not related, and the H3 Legendary ending was a secret scene to hint Reach. But for all records, I think Bungie would deff hide a game for hmmm 2013? Definite in their hit Halo 3.

Reach, the planet that was gassed, no life possible? So no possible connection to the planet with the structures on the planet in the H3 legendary ending? 2 years later so much is possible, a civilization that thrives off of glassed planets and is a pioneer species that can recover resources and artifacts from the Glassed planet.

Reach: Red Star (ecliptic shine)
H3 Planet: Blue Star (ecliptic shine)

Again over 2 years a lot can change, stars can die and new ones can be born (including time from before . . just saying that a lot can happen in that short loop of time), also bungie may have had the ecliptic refraction occur with a different star that was near and not over powered by the red star.
*NOTE* in the star cycle if the red star of reach is a red giant on the brink of death a new blue star can take it's place.


ABOUT STARS

I UNDERSTAND THAT STARS CAN NOT BE BORN OR DIE WITHIN 2 YEARS WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT well, here is the example.

Star 1 Time line:

77777777 BC: Born
77777 BC: Death Cycle Starts
7 AD: Star Dies

Star 2 Time Line:

77777 BC Birth Cycle Starts
7 AD: Star is Born



The Science of the Theory
for this theory lets just say that by some chance the red star finishes death exactly at the new blue star's birth.
Maybe the Covenant triggered something in the red star that caused its death to speed up, or maybe the Pillar of Autumn's slip space jump caused a break of bonds in the red star, turning it into a dead star, but also Hydrogen, one of the important elements of life, the glassed planet could have supported life with a planet with an atmosphere filled with a dense hydrogen atmosphere, the pioneer species may then be able to complete the stage of succession and become a civilization because of their ability to use Hydrogen as an energy source.
Remember: In Succession:
Disruption (glassed planet)
Pioneer Species
Evolution
Climax Ecosystem
*NOTE*: the last 3 steps take a very long time in normal conditions, BUT if the species has a environment that is highly rich in the resources they need, the steps speed up.

Gameplay and Story-line

In Halo 3 ODST the story line will be enhanced AND played through using flashbacks
Why not the same thing in Reach? it makes sense, Chief crashing into Reach and seeing things from the past that trigger the past, the story line of the game containing the stories of the Spartans from the books and gameplay as each one of them. The objective being to find a way of Reach by remembering something from the past. Just a Theory, thoughts? Thank You

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[Edited on 06.10.2009 4:51 PM PDT]

  • 06.07.2009 2:36 PM PDT

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It could work if the Chief wasn't cryogenicly(sp?) frozen.

  • 06.07.2009 2:37 PM PDT

Armor Lock isn't overpowered. You just suck at Reach :)

Reach isn't bad, you're just a BK :)

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Reached was glassed. When glassed, buildings/structures are destroyed.

Legendary ending planet, you can see structures.

Planets are NOT the same.

  • 06.07.2009 2:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: IIGhoulishtieII
Reached was glassed. When glassed, buildings/structures are destroyed.

Legendary ending planet, you can see structures.

Planets are NOT the same.


So your saying that over the span of about 40 years (correct?) the advanced covenant could not have built on top of a planet they glassed? I mean even the flood can do that . . . . . (no im not saying that flood can build structures . . but still).
Im sure that some sort of advanced life can make a home on virtually nothing . .

  • 06.07.2009 2:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: MegaPlayerASD
It could work if the Chief wasn't cryogenicly(sp?) frozen.

. . cortana can un freeze him?

  • 06.07.2009 2:44 PM PDT

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Err.....Halo: Reach and Halo 3 have around 6-7 months between them.

  • 06.07.2009 2:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: Arbiduck
Err.....Halo: Reach and Halo 3 have around 6-7 months between them.

. . . . what?
. . . are you talking . . .about . . release dates? cause if so thats wrong . .. . .
are you talking about time line of Halo 3? If so how would you know . . ?

[Edited on 06.07.2009 2:47 PM PDT]

  • 06.07.2009 2:46 PM PDT

Armor Lock isn't overpowered. You just suck at Reach :)

Reach isn't bad, you're just a BK :)

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Posted by: Arbiduck
Err.....Halo: Reach and Halo 3 have around 6-7 months between them.


^What he said^

and even though, you battle the last of the covenant forces in Halo 3. After the prophet dies, there is no longer a covenant.

  • 06.07.2009 2:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: MegaPlayerASD
It could work if the Chief wasn't cryogenicly(sp?) frozen.

. . cortana can un freeze him?


"Wake me, when you need me."

Cortana wouldn't wake up the Chief unless something crazy was about to happen. Not because she wan'ts chief to see what they landed on. Also: you don't age (physically) / age nearly as quickly while in suspended animation (aka Cryogenicaly frozen), so waking the Chief up will just limit his life span.

  • 06.07.2009 2:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: MegaPlayerASD
It could work if the Chief wasn't cryogenicly(sp?) frozen.

. . cortana can un freeze him?


"Wake me, when you need me."

Cortana wouldn't wake up the Chief unless something crazy was about to happen. Not because she wan'ts chief to see what they landed on. Also: you don't age (physically) / age nearly as quickly while in suspended animation (aka Cryogenicaly frozen), so waking the Chief up will just limit his life span.


Cortana: HOLY -blam!- WE ARE CRASHING INTO A PLANET AND IF I DON'T WAKE HIM UP WE ARE BOTH SCREWED . . .
how bout that?

  • 06.07.2009 2:48 PM PDT
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Plausable.

  • 06.07.2009 2:49 PM PDT

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It could work if the Chief wasn't cryogenicly(sp?) frozen.

. . cortana can un freeze him?


"Wake me, when you need me."

Cortana wouldn't wake up the Chief unless something crazy was about to happen. Not because she wan'ts chief to see what they landed on. Also: you don't age (physically) / age nearly as quickly while in suspended animation (aka Cryogenicaly frozen), so waking the Chief up will just limit his life span.


Cortana: HOLY -blam!- WE ARE CRASHING INTO A PLANET AND IF I DON'T WAKE HIM UP WE ARE BOTH SCREWED . . .
how bout that?



Chief would be -blam!- either way. That and the fact that he survived a drop from the Covenant ship into the earth in the beginning of Halo 3 WITHOUT any extra amour, makes me think that he can make it when he's in the middle of a huge ship.

  • 06.07.2009 2:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: devilsrevenge96
Posted by: IIGhoulishtieII
Reached was glassed. When glassed, buildings/structures are destroyed.

Legendary ending planet, you can see structures.

Planets are NOT the same.


So your saying that over the span of about 40 years (correct?) the advanced covenant could not have built on top of a planet they glassed? I mean even the flood can do that . . . . . (no im not saying that flood can build structures . . but still).
Im sure that some sort of advanced life can make a home on virtually nothing . .



I think 40 years is overdoing it, by alot. Maybe 10 at most (I have read all the books but i lost FOR halfway through, so unless that has the time span I should be correct). But yeah the covenant do build over the planets, but there no Halo ring near Reach, so this theory is now broken.

  • 06.07.2009 2:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: MegaPlayerASD
It could work if the Chief wasn't cryogenicly(sp?) frozen.

. . cortana can un freeze him?


"Wake me, when you need me."

Cortana wouldn't wake up the Chief unless something crazy was about to happen. Not because she wan'ts chief to see what they landed on. Also: you don't age (physically) / age nearly as quickly while in suspended animation (aka Cryogenicaly frozen), so waking the Chief up will just limit his life span.


Cortana: HOLY -blam!- WE ARE CRASHING INTO A PLANET AND IF I DON'T WAKE HIM UP WE ARE BOTH SCREWED . . .
how bout that?



Chief would be -blam!- either way. That and the fact that he survived a drop from the Covenant ship into the earth in the beginning of Halo 3 WITHOUT any extra amour, makes me think that he can make it when he's in the middle of a huge ship.
he was on a little... thingy. play the first level again. there's this... well, thingy, in the small crater.

and to everyone else:
reach being glassed, halo 1, halo 2, and halo 3 all happen within the span of a few months.

reach is glassed, mc goes to halo. he's there for (more or less) a week/maybe two. i forgot exactly how long. he goes back to reach, then to earth (about a week). halo 2 happens (again, about a week). halo 3 happens (AGAIN, about a week).

that's at least (about) two months. but i forgot the exact timeline. it's probably more like 4.

  • 06.07.2009 2:59 PM PDT

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Reach was glassed, everything was destroyed. The planet in Halo 3's legendary ending has things on it, hence it not being Reach. In Halo 2 you can even hear Lord Hood say "The fleet that destroyed Reach was fifty times this size," upon seeing the approaching fleet. So, in chronological order, Reach doesn't really exist during the events of Halo 3. Only as a planet of ruins.

  • 06.07.2009 3:02 PM PDT

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he was on a little... thingy. play the first level again. there's this... well, thingy, in the small crater.

and to everyone else:
reach being glassed, halo 1, halo 2, and halo 3 all happen within the span of a few months.

reach is glassed, mc goes to halo. he's there for (more or less) a week/maybe two. i forgot exactly how long. he goes back to reach, then to earth (about a week). halo 2 happens (again, about a week). halo 3 happens (AGAIN, about a week).

that's at least (about) two months. but i forgot the exact timeline. it's probably more like 4.


Too much quoting going on... Also, read the halo comics. They cover how he jumped

  • 06.07.2009 3:03 PM PDT

"That's quite a feat for such a small boy."
"I'm young not small."

accidental double post sry

[Edited on 06.07.2009 3:04 PM PDT]

  • 06.07.2009 3:04 PM PDT

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So your saying that over the span of about 40 years (correct?) the advanced covenant could not have built on top of a planet they glassed? I mean even the flood can do that . . . . . (no im not saying that flood can build structures . . but still).
Im sure that some sort of advanced life can make a home on virtually nothing . .


Where the hell did 40 years come from?! Reach was Glassed in 2552 just before the Pillar of Autumn arrived at Installation 04.
The Covenant would never want to build on a planet with the "Human's filthy footprints" on the "sacred earth".

So, no, it is not Reach. My theory is that it's the Precursor Rainbow World hinted at in the Terminals, where the Didact wished to "follow in Their footsteps".

What advanced life are you suggesting? The Flood are too primitive without a Gravemind to construct a meropolis, as they are always.

Besides, Bungie even said at E3 that Halo: Reach is a prequel to the Trilogy.

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Posted by: devilsrevenge96
Posted by: IIGhoulishtieII
Reached was glassed. When glassed, buildings/structures are destroyed.

Legendary ending planet, you can see structures.

Planets are NOT the same.


So your saying that over the span of about 40 years (correct?) the advanced covenant could not have built on top of a planet they glassed? I mean even the flood can do that . . . . . (no im not saying that flood can build structures . . but still).
Im sure that some sort of advanced life can make a home on virtually nothing . .



The atmosphere after the planet was glassed would have been inhabitable. The high temperatures would have burned up the atmosphere and only have many many years would it have become something like Tatooine from Star Wars. In fact, in the Star Wars story cannon, thats exactly how Tatooine formed.

Furthermore, Reach is one of several Planets has visited and colonized. If humanity did decide to colonize it after its destruction (or the Covenant for that matter), why on earth would the Master Chief's ship be approaching the planet? Those Planet side would have detected his vessel and gone out to meet it and rescue the chief so he wouldnt go through the trouble or re-entry onto the surface.

That means that whatever the Legendary Planet is, its not populated and if it is, they aren't a space faring species. It is either something left by the Forerunner, or something from a more primitive species. Perhaps both.

Furthermore, we don't know the time frame between the end of Halo 3 and the Chief's arrival at the new planet.

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Just to add to what everyone else has said. When Reach was glassed all the atmosphere was completely destroyed. It would probably be the most idiotic idea to land on a planet with no atmosphere. The MJOLNIR armor only has reserve oxygen for thirty minutes. People just need to stop wildly speculating and wait until something official is released.

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Posted by: Arbiduck
Err.....Halo: Reach and Halo 3 have around 6-7 months between them.

. . . . what?
. . . are you talking . . .about . . release dates? cause if so thats wrong . .. . .
are you talking about time line of Halo 3? If so how would you know . . ?


Reading the book Halo Fall of Reach would help. Not to mention Captain Jacob Keyes in Halo 1 mentioned that they had fled Reach after it was destroyed, and ended up at Halo.

Not even 6-7months either, more like a month at most. 5-days spent ON halo, then at least 4-5 days spent during the duration of Halo First Strike.

The Covenant don't build bases on planets they just glassed. They build bases in space, such as the Unyielding Hierophant, which was a "Covenant command-and-control center and refit-battle station". The atmosphere on a glassed planet is practically toxic, making it an idiotic idea to try to create anything on it.

The Halo 3 Legendary Planet would be burnt red if it was Reach.

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You guys are forgetting something. If you read Halo: First Strike, you would recall Dr. Halsey's time-bending slip-space crystal. Although the MC and the rest of the UNSC spent 4-5 days on the first Halo in warped space, they jumped back to Reach almost inmediately after they left By warped space, I mean that all those days they THOUGHT they had spent on Halo, were really a matter of hours. Dr. Halsey's explanation for this phenomenom was that the crystal had time-bending properties that would affect the very fabric of slipspace according to the users needs.

Also, if you recall Ghosts of Onyx, the Forerunners had developed capsules that would essentially "shield" their users by garrisoning them outside of "time" itself.

The very fact that Bungie used a similar exclipse effect on the Reach trailer as they did on the legendary ending had me wondering about this. Of course, Dr. Halsey isn't around, nor is her crystal. She's still inside Onyx's shield world, so this possibility is most likely proven wrong. However, the Forerunners have proven that they are capable of bending time and space to their will, so really one can expect absolutely anything to happen. Of course, Bungie has a tendency of surprising us with the option that nobody else could think of, so who knows what we can expect.

Don't forget: Reach wasn't completely glassed either, only the poles were if I recall.

[Edited on 06.07.2009 4:00 PM PDT]

  • 06.07.2009 3:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: devilsrevenge96
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Posted by: devilsrevenge96
Posted by: MegaPlayerASD
It could work if the Chief wasn't cryogenicly(sp?) frozen.

. . cortana can un freeze him?


"Wake me, when you need me."

Cortana wouldn't wake up the Chief unless something crazy was about to happen. Not because she wan'ts chief to see what they landed on. Also: you don't age (physically) / age nearly as quickly while in suspended animation (aka Cryogenicaly frozen), so waking the Chief up will just limit his life span.


Cortana: HOLY -blam!- WE ARE CRASHING INTO A PLANET AND IF I DON'T WAKE HIM UP WE ARE BOTH SCREWED . . .
how bout that?



Chief would be -blam!- either way. That and the fact that he survived a drop from the Covenant ship into the earth in the beginning of Halo 3 WITHOUT any extra amour, makes me think that he can make it when he's in the middle of a huge ship.

easy why can't the ship be on fire? crushing in on itself? about to explode?

  • 06.07.2009 5:28 PM PDT

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I thought the same but I put it aside.

  • 06.07.2009 5:31 PM PDT

Armor Lock isn't overpowered. You just suck at Reach :)

Reach isn't bad, you're just a BK :)

For my gamertag, look up "Ghoulishtie"

The 2 planets have nothing to do with eachother.

Thats that.

  • 06.07.2009 5:31 PM PDT