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Subject: Theory: No Time Travel but Reach IS in the Legendary ending

"YOUR DESTRUCTION IS THE WILL OF THE GODS, AND WE ARE THEIR INSTRUMENT."

Posted by: Spaker
Just to add to what everyone else has said. When Reach was glassed all the atmosphere was completely destroyed. It would probably be the most idiotic idea to land on a planet with no atmosphere. The MJOLNIR armor only has reserve oxygen for ninety minutes. People just need to stop wildly speculating and wait until something official is released.


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It isn't our shiznit anymore.

Posted by: devilsrevenge96
I AM NOT SAYING THE PIONEER SECIES AND THE FORERUNNER ARE THE SAME! god go take freshman bio . .


You've taken freshman bio? Really? Then you obviously sleep in that class. A "new" pioneer species would take thousands even millions of years to develop and evolve. Nothing survives glassings. To prove this, here's a question: does anything survive on the surface of the sun? Didn't think so.

  • 06.09.2009 4:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: Zippy990

AGAIN!!!!! It's ONYX!!!!!!!! they unearthed a bunch of forerunner crap on Onyx!! Thats what triggered the sentinels and the SHIELD!!!!!!!!


wait i thought tat the Onyx planet completely destroyed itself leaving the sentinels spiraling around the portal gate to the "shield place" so it couldnt be Onyx since we would of seen MILLIONS of sentinels swarming around the planet or the core of Onyx which housed the portal to the "shield place"

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  • 06.09.2009 4:44 PM PDT

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I agree with one thing here...

That the time travel theory is retarded.

  • 06.09.2009 4:46 PM PDT

BANG! BANG! you're dead

Halo Reach is a prequel, just so you know. Reach is the first of the Human colonies to fall to the Covenant and is where 90% of the Spartans meet their untimely demise. This is all explained in the Halo novel The Fall of Reach. It is not the planet that MC and Cortana are floating towards, sorry guys.

  • 06.09.2009 4:55 PM PDT

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To "P3P5I"


. . . . not at all, on a small scale example: a forest, here is what happens
Step 1:Destruction (e.g. forest fire, clear cutting) [instant]
Step 2: Pioneer Species (e.g. shrubs, weeds, insects that can live off of the new land) [months-years]
Step 3: Growth and expansion (e.g. plants start to grow, tree saplings can start to thrive [10-30 years]
Step 4: Climax ecosystem (e.g. Huge trees form a canopy over a large forest, the ecosystem has re-grown if not bettered. [100s-1000s of years]

Now These factors can all change due to the different Pioneer Species, for example, if that species were humans (with prior knowledge and evolution) the climax ecosystem could reach its full much faster.

There are two things that may hinder your immense misunderstandings of Succession, basic succession at that.
One, you seem to be bright but narrow minded, the "your wrong" approach closes doors in arguments because rather that reaching a mutual understanding one pugnacious side of the argument tries to cut the other down and in the process ends up missing a huge point.

I do acknowledge that a new species forming on a planet without an atmosphere is a process that can take Millions of Years (never thousands, the most that can form cold turkey from a planet with nothing over 1000 years, is bacteria (eukaryotic))
BUT this does not prove me wrong what I said is that a pioneer species happened on the planet, a pioneer species does not mean it is a new creation, it just means that it was the first able to thrive in that ecosystem. My theory proposes that a species happened to wander upon the planet and is able to live on a planet with no atmosphere and a high hydrogen surrounding (providing that it does not become the planet's atmosphere). This would e a perfectly plausible Pioneer Species that reached Climax Civilization in a few months (note that organism would have to be Millions of centuries more advanced then the covenant . possible direct descendants of the forerunner?
Now rather then having you read my mores laden of a paragraph, bellow I will write a pithy of the above theory:
The Species can have come from another place and settled on the glassed planet and was able to thrive there

The Second option: Your just . . . stupid? Challenging me with information on science that is clearly unrelated! The Sun and a Glassed Planet. First off in the world of fiction a species that can live in such a gaseous and hot object could most certainly happen along and become a pioneer species of the sun! Second who cares if nothing survives glassings!? Another species capable living off of that "nothing" can still thrive!

Thank You


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  • 06.09.2009 6:03 PM PDT

Posted by: Dart 123
Halo Reach is a prequel, just so you know. Reach is the first of the Human colonies to fall to the Covenant and is where 90% of the Spartans meet their untimely demise. This is all explained in the Halo novel The Fall of Reach. It is not the planet that MC and Cortana are floating towards, sorry guys.


Ok dude your sort of 50/50 here. While I do agree Reach is a prequel, it is not one of the first colonies to fall, Reach fell in 2552, whereas Harvest fell in like 2425 ( the first planet to in fact fall). Furthermore, in 2552 the same year as Halo 1,2, and 3 there are very few colonies left, and feeling alittle daring, i'd say reach is one of the last, if not the last colony to fall, because six-eight months later the Covenant are basically destroyed (halo 3). And I don't know if i'd say 90% of the Spartans fell at Reach, I'd say maybe about 30%, as the rest were already dead, (lol albeit with alittle bit of word play 90% would be a correct statement). And yeah therefore the plant that MC and Cortana are drifting towards is not Reach.


And I saw in an earlier post on this page I think; the planet IS NOT ONYX; it is IMPOSSIBLE. At the end of the Ghosts of Onyx book the planet was destroyed as like a "gazillion" sentinels erupted from it. Srs----do some reading-----all the Halo books are kickass, except for The Flood; no offense to the author but it is basically a walk through to halo 1.

To the guy that went off with all this bio stuff above me, I'm not sure you are 100% correct but I'll let it go caz i'm not sure. Anyway as for the " Millions of centuries more advanced then the covenant . possible direct descendants of the forerunner? " line aren't humans the direct descandants **Guilty Spark says to the Master Chief, " You are Forerunner!" So I'm pretty sure thats out the window.

And even though you explained the pioneer species considerably well I'd still have to say your wrong, and I'm not sure if your were saying this or not but for others who still don't know.... The Planet in H3 Legendary Ending is not Reach, like holy cow, get over the idea, please.

Oh yeah!

This thread should be deleted.

[Edited on 06.09.2009 10:04 PM PDT]

  • 06.09.2009 9:56 PM PDT

are we forgetting aboutth slipspace altering crystal? didnt that have some effect on time?

  • 06.09.2009 10:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: Spoticus
are we forgetting aboutth slipspace altering crystal? didnt that have some effect on time?

Yes, but Master Chief didn't have the crystal at the end of Halo 3, it was destroyed before Halo 2 and after Halo: CE.

Anyways, OP does NOT have the right idea. Don't you see, the more we try to explain the situation of Reach being uninhabitated for decades if not centuries, he twists facts of science and speaks jibberish. Dont feed the trolls people. Keep it clean! .

[Edited on 06.09.2009 10:13 PM PDT]

  • 06.09.2009 10:13 PM PDT

Attention whores piss me off.

Reach was glassed right before the events of Halo. Halo 2 took place a few months after Halo.



Posted by: devilsrevenge96
Posted by: IIGhoulishtieII
Reached was glassed. When glassed, buildings/structures are destroyed.

Legendary ending planet, you can see structures.

Planets are NOT the same.


So your saying that over the span of about 40 years (correct?) the advanced covenant could not have built on top of a planet they glassed? I mean even the flood can do that . . . . . (no im not saying that flood can build structures . . but still).
Im sure that some sort of advanced life can make a home on virtually nothing . .

  • 06.09.2009 10:15 PM PDT

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i thought the planet at the end of halo 3 legendary was onyx?

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Wort, wort, wort!

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And seriously it might be Reach and if its a Forerunner world Forerunner metal could whitstand anything (even plasma).







  • 06.10.2009 12:32 AM PDT

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Personally i think Cortana will be dead or insane by the time Chief gets anywhere, that's why she was all sad and worried about the time it would take to be found.

  • 06.10.2009 2:27 AM PDT

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Posted by: Dart 123
Halo Reach is a prequel, just so you know. Reach is the first of the Human colonies to fall to the Covenant and is where 90% of the Spartans meet their untimely demise. This is all explained in the Halo novel The Fall of Reach. It is not the planet that MC and Cortana are floating towards, sorry guys.


Ok dude your sort of 50/50 here. While I do agree Reach is a prequel, it is not one of the first colonies to fall, Reach fell in 2552, whereas Harvest fell in like 2425 ( the first planet to in fact fall). Furthermore, in 2552 the same year as Halo 1,2, and 3 there are very few colonies left, and feeling alittle daring, i'd say reach is one of the last, if not the last colony to fall, because six-eight months later the Covenant are basically destroyed (halo 3). And I don't know if i'd say 90% of the Spartans fell at Reach, I'd say maybe about 30%, as the rest were already dead, (lol albeit with alittle bit of word play 90% would be a correct statement). And yeah therefore the plant that MC and Cortana are drifting towards is not Reach.


And I saw in an earlier post on this page I think; the planet IS NOT ONYX; it is IMPOSSIBLE. At the end of the Ghosts of Onyx book the planet was destroyed as like a "gazillion" sentinels erupted from it. Srs----do some reading-----all the Halo books are kickass, except for The Flood; no offense to the author but it is basically a walk through to halo 1.

To the guy that went off with all this bio stuff above me, I'm not sure you are 100% correct but I'll let it go caz i'm not sure. Anyway as for the " Millions of centuries more advanced then the covenant . possible direct descendants of the forerunner? " line aren't humans the direct descandants **Guilty Spark says to the Master Chief, " You are Forerunner!" So I'm pretty sure thats out the window.

And even though you explained the pioneer species considerably well I'd still have to say your wrong, and I'm not sure if your were saying this or not but for others who still don't know.... The Planet in H3 Legendary Ending is not Reach, like holy cow, get over the idea, please.

Oh yeah!

This thread should be deleted.

Posted by: Sputtra
Posted by: Dart 123
Halo Reach is a prequel, just so you know. Reach is the first of the Human colonies to fall to the Covenant and is where 90% of the Spartans meet their untimely demise. This is all explained in the Halo novel The Fall of Reach. It is not the planet that MC and Cortana are floating towards, sorry guys.


Ok dude your sort of 50/50 here. While I do agree Reach is a prequel, it is not one of the first colonies to fall, Reach fell in 2552, whereas Harvest fell in like 2425 ( the first planet to in fact fall). Furthermore, in 2552 the same year as Halo 1,2, and 3 there are very few colonies left, and feeling alittle daring, i'd say reach is one of the last, if not the last colony to fall, because six-eight months later the Covenant are basically destroyed (halo 3). And I don't know if i'd say 90% of the Spartans fell at Reach, I'd say maybe about 30%, as the rest were already dead, (lol albeit with alittle bit of word play 90% would be a correct statement). And yeah therefore the plant that MC and Cortana are drifting towards is not Reach.


And I saw in an earlier post on this page I think; the planet IS NOT ONYX; it is IMPOSSIBLE. At the end of the Ghosts of Onyx book the planet was destroyed as like a "gazillion" sentinels erupted from it. Srs----do some reading-----all the Halo books are kickass, except for The Flood; no offense to the author but it is basically a walk through to halo 1.

To the guy that went off with all this bio stuff above me, I'm not sure you are 100% correct but I'll let it go caz i'm not sure. Anyway as for the " Millions of centuries more advanced then the covenant . possible direct descendants of the forerunner? " line aren't humans the direct descandants **Guilty Spark says to the Master Chief, " You are Forerunner!" So I'm pretty sure thats out the window.

And even though you explained the pioneer species considerably well I'd still have to say your wrong, and I'm not sure if your were saying this or not but for others who still don't know.... The Planet in H3 Legendary Ending is not Reach, like holy cow, get over the idea, please.

Oh yeah!

This thread should be deleted.


The Idea is plausiblee. As long as there are people that like this theory and want to think of ways to challenge it so it can be improved, not this thread should not be deleted, and I do appreciate excellent arguments from the other side, so thanks for posting on this Sputtra.

Also Sparky said that, he is a manipulative little *blam*hole (Johnson :'( ) There can be other descendants of the forerunner, splits almost ALWAYS occur when an organism evolves, it could be Chief against our "human" counter parts.
There can be other species in the Halo Universe, and tell me, why would bungie put in a random unrelated planet unless it leas to something? there can be many guesses BUT Onyx and Reach are the best bets, if you just believe all the theories on the H3 Planets are crap, make your own, it will b very good for your self esteem.

But yes, you are correct Onyx is destroyed

  • 06.10.2009 3:23 AM PDT

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and by Onyx is a possibility I mean a planet that also acts like a defense and door to the shield world, cause who says there aren't more?

  • 06.10.2009 3:24 AM PDT

Theoretically, should we assume Halo:Reach is played from the Chiefs perspective, then we know it ends with him entering the Cryo-tube on the Pillar of Autumn. We can then safely assume that the game will end or the Chief will wake up later on. What's not to say that "later on" will be waking up in the Dawn's Cryo-Bay having crash landed on the ruins of Reach. We did see structures on the Legendary ending similar to those on the Reach advert, but do we know they are still standing? Do not forget that New Mombasa was said to be 'levelled' yet ruins remained, its reasonable to say the UNSC tend to exaggerate ie Spartans cannot die.

  • 06.10.2009 3:28 AM PDT
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Posted by: devilsrevenge96
Gameplay and Story-line
In Halo 3 ODST the story line will be enhanced AND played through using flashbacks
Why not the same thing in Reach? it makes sense, Chief crashing into Reach and seeing things from the past that trigger the past, the story line of the game containing the stories of the Spartans from the books and gameplay as each one of them. The objective being to find a way of Reach by remembering something from the past. Just a Theory, thoughts? Thank You

After reading the start of the post, I thought exactly that. It would also give more meaning for 'From the Beggining, you knew the end."

And it would be natural for Bungie to continue in the same Campaign style.
Although, time in between memories would be wierd. What would your enemies be? Where do you get weapons? Maybe the infamous 'rock' (only seen in Halo CE) will return....

[Edited on 06.10.2009 3:32 AM PDT]

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Posted by: devilsrevenge96
Reach: Red Star (ecliptic shine)
H3 Planet: Blue Star (ecliptic shine)

Again over 2 years a lot can change, stars can die and new ones can be born (including time from before . . just saying that a lot can happen in that short loop of time), also bungie may have had the ecliptic refraction occur with a different star that was near and not over powered by the red star.
*NOTE* in the star cycle if the red star of reach is a red giant on the brink of death a new blue star can take it's place.


ABOUT STARS

I UNDERSTAND THAT STARS CAN NOT BE BORN OR DIE WITHIN 2 YEARS WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT well, here is the example.

Star 1 Time line:

77777777 BC: Born
77777 BC: Death Cycle Starts
7 AD: Star Dies

Star 2 Time Line:

77777 BC Birth Cycle Starts
7 AD: Star is Born



I have a different theory that makes more sense, Reach is a dualstar system.

  • 06.10.2009 4:24 AM PDT
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The planet in Halo 3 could be earth or halo.

  • 06.10.2009 4:28 AM PDT

Some timeline info:

August 30th, 2552: Battle for Reach begins and ends, Reach begins getting glassed same day, sans ONI underground Castle Base site. Pillar of Autumn jumps away from Reach.

September 7th, 2552: [Date/Time Record Anomaly] Dr. Halsey and members of Red Team on Reach discover Forerunner artifact beneath ONI underground Castle Base site. Her, several Spartans, Sgt. Johnson and others escape Reach after destroying the ONI base.

September 12th: A sedated Kelly and Halsey depart the Gettysburg/Ascendant Justice and jump to slipspace en route to Onyx.

September 19th, 2552: Pillar of Autumn arrives at Delta Halo after a 20 day long slipspace jump.

September 22nd, 2552: Delta Halo destroyed. One remaining Pelican containing Sgt. Johnson and others, and a set of cryotubes containing Spartan 058, Linda. are recovered into John's ship.

Voro 'Mantakree is stripped of rank after Delta Halo is destroyed and becomes the Arbiter.

September 23rd, 2552: John and crew depart Delta Halo debris field en rout to Reach aboard the Ascendant Justice. Time/Date Record Anomaly continues from this point on September 7th.

October 20th, 2552: New Mombasa destroyed.

November 3rd, 2552: Kelly and Halsey arrive at Onyx after a 53 day slipspace trip. Dr. Halsey, Mendez, SPARTAN III Gamma Company Teams Saber and Katana, Tom, Lucy, Fred, Linda, and Kelly all enter the Shield World Dyson Sphere through a splipspace portal at the planet's core. Kurt remains behind and detonates two FENRIS nuclear warheads, destroying the planet and leaving behind trillions of sententials to protect the slipspace portal.

December 9th, 2552: John enters Earth's atmosphere. Halo 3 game begins.

Between then and March 2553, the replacement Halo above Installation 04 is fired as the Arbiter and John try to escape aboard the Forward Unto Dawn. The slipstream portal is cut off early, leaving John and Cortana in the rear section beyond the rim of the Milky Way. (a bit of interjected science here: The Ark is probably located in the Large Magellanic Cloud, a neighboring Dwarf Galaxy, is about 160,000 light years from the Milky Way)

March 3rd, 2553: The Human-Covenant War ends. A memorial dedicated to the victims of the war is built in Kenya on Earth.


Much more detailed timeline

TL;DR: Onyx destroyed 40 days before Halo 3 begins. Halo 3 ends after 112 days (Onyx destroyed some 5 months earlier). Chief and Cortana stranded some 160,000 lightyears from Earth.

[Edited on 06.10.2009 7:18 AM PDT]

  • 06.10.2009 7:17 AM PDT

Possibly, but unlikely.

  • 06.10.2009 7:26 AM PDT

keep it secret, keep it safe.

i think it is planet reach in legendary ending, because u can see how the planet surface is bombed by covenant ships just like in reach trailer..

  • 06.10.2009 7:47 AM PDT

Proof that the Legendary planet is Forerunner.

  • 06.10.2009 7:57 AM PDT

THis theory is nonsense!!!

  • 06.10.2009 7:57 AM PDT

Posted by: DominusDeus
Some timeline info:

TL;DR: Onyx destroyed 40 days before Halo 3 begins. Halo 3 ends after 112 days (Onyx destroyed some 5 months earlier). Chief and Cortana stranded some 160,000 lightyears from Earth.

That's a good timeline, nut there are a few naming errors. The Arbiter's name is Thel 'Vadam, not Voro Nar 'Mantakree. Also, where you say Delta Halo, you mean Alpha Halo.

Just clearing that up.

  • 06.10.2009 8:00 AM PDT