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Subject: Your Theory is Not True. It's Impossible.

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If people would just stop for a minute to think, they would realize that you can't change the past. At least, the master chief cannot change any of the events integral to the Halo story. Doing so would alter the future which led him to the past, thus preventing him from ever having gone back.

If even one minor event of the past is changed, you see, the rest of the past will adjust accordingly. And when that happens -- poof. The master chief never went back in time, which means the past was never changed. Which means it is not only improbable, but impossible for the Master Chief to travel back in time and muddle in affairs before Halo 1.

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  • 06.07.2009 3:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: Hawaii6U
If people would just stop for a minute to think, they would realize that you can't change the past. At least, the master chief cannot change any of the events integral to the Halo story. Doing so would alter the future which led him to the past, thus preventing him from ever having gone back.

If even one minor event of the past is changed, you see, the rest of the past will adjust accordingly. And when that happens -- poof. The master chief never went back in time, which means the past was never changed. Which means it is not only improbable, but impossible for the Master Chief to travel back in time and muddle in affairs before Halo 1.
Don't tell this to the Star Trek fans...

  • 06.07.2009 3:24 PM PDT
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that's your rebuttal for the time travel idiots? It's true, but that's not going to change what they think.

  • 06.07.2009 3:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: echo 1 sniper
Don't tell this to the Star Trek fans...

Not to mention the Terminator groupies.

The bottom line is that the entire concept of time travel, in relation to the past, is flawed. And Bungie would be incredibly daft if they introduced it as a prime element of the Halo story arc.

  • 06.07.2009 3:28 PM PDT

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That would seem logical, but that's just it time travel isn't logical. It's a huge mind -blam!-. I'm not saying i believe any of these theories, but if bungie really needed to they have some smart people to come up with an explanation. All this speculation makes me want to shoot myself in the foot.

  • 06.07.2009 3:30 PM PDT

Armor Lock isn't overpowered. You just suck at Reach :)

Reach isn't bad, you're just a BK :)

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Time-travel theory is stupid.

People need to get it through their thick skulls that it wont happen.

  • 06.07.2009 3:35 PM PDT

Alternate Universes (Omniverse?) anyone? I don't agree with that MC is coming back to Reach, but none of us know for sure.

  • 06.07.2009 3:40 PM PDT
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Posted by: Hawaii6U
If people would just stop for a minute to think, they would realize that you can't change the past. At least, the master chief cannot change any of the events integral to the Halo story. Doing so would alter the future which led him to the past, thus preventing him from ever having gone back.

If even one minor event of the past is changed, you see, the rest of the past will adjust accordingly. And when that happens -- poof. The master chief never went back in time, which means the past was never changed. Which means it is not only improbable, but impossible for the Master Chief to travel back in time and muddle in affairs before Halo 1.
But what if he avoids any covered parts, and aids other people, without anyone knowing? What if he caused the entire thing? What if the Flood outbreak on Delta Halo was his fault? What if the Rebels were his fault? What if, somehow, he caused it all?

  • 06.07.2009 3:42 PM PDT

When a cat is dropped, it always lands on its feet, and when toast is dropped, it always lands buttered side down. Therefore, if a slice of toast is strapped to a cat's back, buttered side up, and the animal is then dropped, the two opposing forces will cause it to hover, spinning inches above the ground. If enough toast-laden felines were used, they could form the basis of a high-speed monorail system.

Also, don't say that to any Lost fan. They might get a bit testy.

Haha.........testy.

On subject though, good point. I'm not a big time travel supporter myself.

  • 06.07.2009 3:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: Hawaii6U
If people would just stop for a minute to think, they would realize that you can't change the past. At least, the master chief cannot change any of the events integral to the Halo story. Doing so would alter the future which led him to the past, thus preventing him from ever having gone back.

If even one minor event of the past is changed, you see, the rest of the past will adjust accordingly. And when that happens -- poof. The master chief never went back in time, which means the past was never changed. Which means it is not only improbable, but impossible for the Master Chief to travel back in time and muddle in affairs before Halo 1.
But what if he avoids any covered parts, and aids other people, without anyone knowing? What if he caused the entire thing? What if the Flood outbreak on Delta Halo was his fault? What if the Rebels were his fault? What if, somehow, he caused it all?
Pleas tell me you're kidding. Please.

  • 06.07.2009 3:49 PM PDT
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Yeah... because video games are bound by the laws of physics, space, and time...

We don't have a problem with a giant green guy who can jump twice his own height in the air despite weighing half a ton, while firing his super pistol that has a SCOPE, battling squeaky aliens that fire PINK NEEDLES at him.

That is of course when he's not driving his strangely bouncy jeep that never runs out of gas or bullets, or exterminating parasites that reanimate corpses, who happen to EXPLODE LIKE POPCORN.

Yup, time travel seems really implausible for sure.

  • 06.07.2009 4:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: SnakeRunner40
But what if he avoids any covered parts, and aids other people, without anyone knowing? What if he caused the entire thing? What if the Flood outbreak on Delta Halo was his fault? What if the Rebels were his fault? What if, somehow, he caused it all?

Well, even if you are joking, this is too fun to pass up.

Let me just say this. If the only reason the events in the Halo trilogy took place was because the Master Chief went back in time, and the only reason the Master Chief went back in time was because those events took place ... well, I think you can see the problem for here.

And Valhalla -- I see what you're saying. But those things you mentioned factor into gameplay. They don't have a significant impact the story. You don't just hurl chunks of illogicality into something you want people to see as credible.

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  • 06.07.2009 4:34 PM PDT

Posted by: Son of Valhalla
Yeah... because video games are bound by the laws of physics, space, and time...

We don't have a problem with a giant green guy who can jump twice his own height in the air despite weighing half a ton, while firing his super pistol that has a SCOPE, battling squeaky aliens that fire PINK NEEDLES at him.

That is of course when he's not driving his strangely bouncy jeep that never runs out of gas or bullets, or exterminating parasites that reanimate corpses, who happen to EXPLODE LIKE POPCORN.

Yup, time travel seems really implausible for sure.


What he said.

There is really no "logical" problem with time travel in a video game, however, it's an overused theme and a somehow too simple solution to most problems.

If Bungie does it right, it'll turn out just fine.

  • 06.07.2009 5:04 PM PDT

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  • 06.07.2009 5:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: Hawaii6U
If people would just stop for a minute to think, they would realize that you can't change the past. At least, the master chief cannot change any of the events integral to the Halo story. Doing so would alter the future which led him to the past, thus preventing him from ever having gone back.

If even one minor event of the past is changed, you see, the rest of the past will adjust accordingly. And when that happens -- poof. The master chief never went back in time, which means the past was never changed. Which means it is not only improbable, but impossible for the Master Chief to travel back in time and muddle in affairs before Halo 1.
Don't tell this to the Star Trek fans...


Lol. Star Trek is based on alternate universes which coincide. There is also the time loop theory. Master Chief may be meant to go back in time to Reach. What happens there is unknown, but it is meant to happen, and doesn't interrupt other events.

Personally, I don't think Bungie intends on using any time travel for Reach. Imaginations are just on the loose.

  • 06.07.2009 5:30 PM PDT

I spend too much time here.. too much time indeed.

I tweet?

"Prior to this point in time, somewhere in the past skewed into this tangent creating an alternate 2553. Alternate to you and me, John, but reality to everyone else." Cortana explained. "Whatever you did when you went back to Reach in 2552 you've caused an anomaly which has created an alternate continuum from everything you and I remember-- a universe where The Flood have all but consumed most of Humanity and Covenant."

Back to the Future logic...

  • 06.07.2009 5:36 PM PDT

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i am your father.

Someone got the title reference! I'm impressed.

  • 06.07.2009 5:43 PM PDT