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Subject: So why another Beta?

Disclaimer: I do want to play the beta, and I'm all for it.

I was just thinking, if they have a multiplayer Beta for Reach, they must have changed quite a bit of content from Halo 3's multiplayer.

However, public betas are usually for getting massive amounts of data and not playtesting, so I'm not sure. It's either both new multiplayer content or the multiplayer stays the same, just that maybe a massive new feature is being implemented into it.

Thoughts?

  • 06.07.2009 7:37 PM PDT

New game engine, most likely, and new MM experience. Cheers!

  • 06.07.2009 7:40 PM PDT

Posted by: UrbanSolder000
Disclaimer: I do want to play the beta, and I'm all for it.

I was just thinking, if they have a multiplayer Beta for Reach, they must have changed quite a bit of content from Halo 3's multiplayer.

However, public betas are usually for getting massive amounts of data and not playtesting, so I'm not sure. It's either both new multiplayer content or the multiplayer stays the same, just that maybe a massive new feature is being implemented into it.

Thoughts?
What is "usual" is not necessarily what is. You are right: a Beta is used to collect data. Not necessarily playtesting; that'd be the part of gametesters' jobs that the gametesters get to keep to themselves.

However, I have the feeling that if the gameplay of Halo: Reach is shaken up enough -- i.e., if there were classes like in Team Fortress --, then they'd want to figure out if the masses enjoy it. Or, more importantly, if they'd enjoy it in the exact format the beta presents. Data and all.

I don't know why there's a beta. But we won't know for a while, and I'm not able to make a case with evidence. I'm not sure anyone could scrounge any, no matter how professional a researcher they might be.

  • 06.07.2009 7:41 PM PDT

"May Warriors Fortunes Smile on our Efforts" Thrawn

"I dare do all that may become a man; Who dares do more is none."
Macbeth

"Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty." John Basil Barnhill

One word NATAL if you dont know check out the end of M$ press conf. at E3.

  • 06.07.2009 7:42 PM PDT

"every time he kills me I have 5 seconds to think about how much I blaming hate him..."

-Phurion

to be honest, i just want a lot of stuff to be diffrent! i mean come on! wouldnt u be RLY dissapointed if Halo: Reach's muiliplayer was EXACTLY the same compared to Halo 3's muiliplayer? they should take all of the good stuff tht halo 3 already offers and add A Lot of new stuff tht will work to. i think tht is why there having a beta. plus i think tht they want ppl to see wat bungie has been working on 4 a long time.

  • 06.07.2009 7:42 PM PDT

PEANUT-BUTTER SLAP!

Posted by: spatan 8
One word NATAL if you dont know check out the end of M$ press conf. at E3.
I have very serious doubts on that.

  • 06.07.2009 7:44 PM PDT

"YOUR DESTRUCTION IS THE WILL OF THE GODS, AND WE ARE THEIR INSTRUMENT."

It'll be pretty cool, bro. I personally think there'll be : better graphics, better ranking system, MINOR weapon customization, and maybe it's servers will support even more people in one game? 16vs16 Yessah.


I want a Delta one of these days..

[Edited on 06.07.2009 7:46 PM PDT]

  • 06.07.2009 7:44 PM PDT

Where Multiplayer started in this franchise was humble, you know; Halo 1, the reticule used to get off center, hence the reason why some MLG players still to this day "Ogre up" to Matchmaking and stat-tracking in Halo 2, to where we are now.

In essential, the differences between Halo 2 Multiplayer and Halo 3 Multiplayer don't differ that greatly; but when you add even the most subtle ingredient when already cooking the perfect recipe, it can destroy the dish altogether. When I use that analogy, I'm talking about the Equipment and the additional vehicles.
Those make it a completely new beast altogether, because it opens new strategic door ways for the players to utilize.

They must be planning something even bigger than that this time around.

Hell; it may even be a completely new recipe.

  • 06.07.2009 7:44 PM PDT

Posted by: spatan 8
One word NATAL if you dont know check out the end of M$ press conf. at E3.

God, I hope not.

  • 06.07.2009 7:45 PM PDT

Posted by: Halo 2 Rookie
Posted by: UrbanSolder000
Disclaimer: I do want to play the beta, and I'm all for it.

I was just thinking, if they have a multiplayer Beta for Reach, they must have changed quite a bit of content from Halo 3's multiplayer.

However, public betas are usually for getting massive amounts of data and not playtesting, so I'm not sure. It's either both new multiplayer content or the multiplayer stays the same, just that maybe a massive new feature is being implemented into it.

Thoughts?
What is "usual" is not necessarily what is. You are right: a Beta is used to collect data. Not necessarily playtesting; that'd be the part of gametesters' jobs that the gametesters get to keep to themselves.

However, I have the feeling that if the gameplay of Halo: Reach is shaken up enough -- i.e., if there were classes like in Team Fortress --, then they'd want to figure out if the masses enjoy it. Or, more importantly, if they'd enjoy it in the exact format the beta presents. Data and all.

I don't know why there's a beta. But we won't know for a while, and I'm not able to make a case with evidence. I'm not sure anyone could scrounge any, no matter how professional a researcher they might be.


The confusing thing is, what could they be changing so drastically? Hard to see how the Halo series could evolve from here. Only things I can think of are:
>Better Spawns (thus, a beta is used to collect data to see if the new spawn system is working)
>Better Balanced Vehicle to Infantry Relationship (If you have vehicles with no weapons to balance them, the vehicles are powerful, when you have the weapons to balance them, then the vehicles can't function, things need to get nerfed a bit so that both can coexist and still have a good chance.)
>Slightly bigger teams?

Don't think a class idea would work out too well, though I know you were simply suggesting it as an example of a change they could make.

  • 06.07.2009 7:46 PM PDT

Mythical Group

There is no greater catharsis than arguing on the Flood.

That's what everyone thinks. It's gotta be different in some ways!

  • 06.07.2009 7:47 PM PDT

Posted by: Halo 2 Rookie
Posted by: UrbanSolder000
Disclaimer: I do want to play the beta, and I'm all for it.

I was just thinking, if they have a multiplayer Beta for Reach, they must have changed quite a bit of content from Halo 3's multiplayer.

However, public betas are usually for getting massive amounts of data and not playtesting, so I'm not sure. It's either both new multiplayer content or the multiplayer stays the same, just that maybe a massive new feature is being implemented into it.

Thoughts?
What is "usual" is not necessarily what is. You are right: a Beta is used to collect data. Not necessarily playtesting; that'd be the part of gametesters' jobs that the gametesters get to keep to themselves.

However, I have the feeling that if the gameplay of Halo: Reach is shaken up enough -- i.e., if there were classes like in Team Fortress --, then they'd want to figure out if the masses enjoy it. Or, more importantly, if they'd enjoy it in the exact format the beta presents. Data and all.

I don't know why there's a beta. But we won't know for a while, and I'm not able to make a case with evidence. I'm not sure anyone could scrounge any, no matter how professional a researcher they might be.


That's true, I remember that the Halo 3 Beta was mainly for datamining purposes, and it may be that Halo:Reach beta is no different.

Just as an aside, do you take a particular computer science course with someone named Mr.Angus as the teacher? I know it's random lol.

  • 06.07.2009 7:47 PM PDT

Ugh...

First on a BWU.. yeah, I'm cool.

ODST;MYTHIC Screenshot winner! One of the first to get their hands on the mythic map pack.

Who knows, maybe it is the same engine, just a totally different multi-player expierence. Like new weapons, new vehicles, and new equipment.

New everything. Different health systems, and abilities. Who knows.

But maybe, they are releasing this "Beta" early, to get some feedback, and see what they can change to appeal to what the fans want.

  • 06.07.2009 7:49 PM PDT

"May Warriors Fortunes Smile on our Efforts" Thrawn

"I dare do all that may become a man; Who dares do more is none."
Macbeth

"Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty." John Basil Barnhill

Posted by: reptile1892
Posted by: spatan 8
One word NATAL if you dont know check out the end of M$ press conf. at E3.
I have very serious doubts on that.


I dont know think about it, microsoft would pay bungie. You slap thier logo on anything and it'll sell like gold. I dont doubt, I could see something with a RIFLE and them making us run a certain way, If not reach it'll happen this next generation things are going to become more interactive. If anything this generation of gaming has expanded its user base and being interactive with the game.

  • 06.07.2009 7:54 PM PDT

Posted by: spatan 8
Posted by: reptile1892
Posted by: spatan 8
One word NATAL if you dont know check out the end of M$ press conf. at E3.
I have very serious doubts on that.


I dont know think about it, microsoft would pay bungie. You slap thier logo on anything and it'll sell like gold. I dont doubt, I could see something with a RIFLE and them making us run a certain way, If not reach it'll happen this next generation things are going to become more interactive. If anything this generation of gaming has expanded its user base and being interactive with the game.


Other than shooting, everything else would probably be tedious and horrible.

  • 06.07.2009 7:57 PM PDT

"If buttered toast lands buttered side down, and cats always land on their feet, then what happens when you attach buttered toast to the back of a cat?

It's most likely going to be a more major launch than Halo 3: ODST with new stuff to try out and see if the population likes it.

  • 06.07.2009 7:57 PM PDT

I miss playing Halo with my friends.

Posted by: CivilTugBoat
New game engine, most likely, and new MM experience. Cheers!

  • 06.07.2009 7:57 PM PDT

I miss playing Halo with my friends.

Posted by: spatan 8
One word NATAL if you dont know check out the end of M$ press conf. at E3.


Not for Halo: Reach.

  • 06.07.2009 7:58 PM PDT

Posted by: spatan 8
Posted by: reptile1892
Posted by: spatan 8
One word NATAL if you dont know check out the end of M$ press conf. at E3.
I have very serious doubts on that.


I dont know think about it, microsoft would pay bungie. You slap thier logo on anything and it'll sell like gold. I dont doubt, I could see something with a RIFLE and them making us run a certain way, If not reach it'll happen this next generation things are going to become more interactive. If anything this generation of gaming has expanded its user base and being interactive with the game.

I haven't been following Natal very closely, so forgive me if I am wrong, but is it fully working yet?

I'm led to believe that Bungie started Reach maybe half a year after Halo 3, and huge decisions like "hey, lets have a motion sensing controls for luls" is made early on in the design process, it isn't something you just throw on in the end and call it good. I think we are safe from Natal's influence on Halo.

For now.

  • 06.07.2009 7:59 PM PDT

"If buttered toast lands buttered side down, and cats always land on their feet, then what happens when you attach buttered toast to the back of a cat?

Just imagine how complicated playing ANY FPS on Natal would be. You are getting shot from the side, so you turn that way, but where is the screen allowing you to look in that direction?

  • 06.07.2009 8:00 PM PDT

Ugh...

First on a BWU.. yeah, I'm cool.

ODST;MYTHIC Screenshot winner! One of the first to get their hands on the mythic map pack.

Posted by: spatan 8
One word NATAL if you dont know check out the end of M$ press conf. at E3.
*Reaches for rifle, prepares to go on a killing spree if true*

  • 06.07.2009 8:01 PM PDT

they just want to get it perfect, get players thoughts on it first, before releasing it with no regrets.

  • 06.07.2009 8:04 PM PDT

Posted by: rockmaster
Just imagine how complicated playing ANY FPS on Natal would be. You are getting shot from the side, so you turn that way, but where is the screen allowing you to look in that direction?

360 screens sold for a convienient couple hundred dollars, courtesy of Microsoft.

  • 06.07.2009 8:06 PM PDT

Posted by: MichaelYEAHH
they just want to get it perfect, get players thoughts on it first, before releasing it with no regrets.


What kind of changes will it be though? A new feature? New weapons? Perhaps an improved version of Forge (alas Far Cry 2)?

  • 06.07.2009 8:17 PM PDT

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