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Since the presentation of the Halo Reach teaser trailer, fans have been quick to make assumptions about the game's background story. The two contending theories at this point I believe are:

+Master Chief time travels after the events of Halo 3 to the events previous to Halo: Combat Evolved and ends up outside of Reach's orbit before most of the planet was glassed

and

+Halo Reach is nothing more than a prequel

I decided to check the Legendary ending of Halo 3 (for the 50th something time) and typed out the dialouge Master Chief and Cortana exchange ofter the ship is sheared in half (please remember that these are not direct quotes but its pretty damn close)

Cortana: I thought I lost you too...

MC: What happened?

Cortana: I'm not sure... When Halo fired, it shook itself to pieces, and a number on the
Arc. The portal couldn't sustain itself. We made it through just as it collapsed... Well
some of us made it... But you did it... Truth and the Covenant... The Flood, its finished...

MC: Its finished...

Cortana: I'll drop the beacon but it will be a while before anyone finds us... years even...
I'll miss you

MC: Wake me... When you need me...


Now please remember that Cortana is a very complex AI capable of maneuvering warships, setting coordinates through slipspace in matter of seconds, decoding alien languages not to mention ride shotgun to none other than the Master Chief in his helment all while looking super fine basked in an angelic blue glow... Erm... My point is this:

At the end of Halo 2, Master Chief communicates with Lord Hood from orbit as soon as he exits slipspace as a stow away in the Key ship Truth was in. So what does this tell us? Master Chief's armor has a badass radio communication device, I mean... talking to someone from hundreds of miles away using a radio integrated to your armor? That's some cutting edge tech there... So what does this tell us? Master Chief has good range on his radio...

Now combined with Cortana's intellect for managing systems, Master Chief's armor makes for one bad ass bullet proof walkie talkie

When Cortana says: "I'll drop the beacon but it will be a while before anyone finds us... years even..." Doesn't that give you the impression that they are pretty far away from anything? Master Chief's badass walkie talkie shoud've picked up conversation by now. Why? Now I'm no expert in communication protocol but when the UNCS orbial defense station picks up incoming "kilos" the first thing they attempt to do is communicate with them in order to grant or deny access.

The minute Master Chief and Cortana came out of slipspace they should've been bombarded by radio messages asking them to identify themselves (thats if they were in fact in proximity to a human inhabited planet like Earth or Reach)... But this did not happen... Why? Simple really... Because the planet orbit they ended up on was... not Reach...

Now "Time traveling Master Chief" treckies please archive this in your brain and assimilate this next part into that folder:

(Again... these are not direct quotes but I attempted to listen in to Halo Reach's trailer as accurately as possible)

Fermian RSO: Gamma Station, this is Fermian RSO, unconfirmed report of a slipspace
rupture

Gamma Station: Impossible, Check your source...

Fermian RSO: Reading multiple pings bellow the orbital defense grid (MAC stations)

Gamma Station: This can't be happening...

Fermian RSO: There's no mistake, its them...Winter contigency has been declared,
all units are mobilzed and ready

Bombardment of the planet and frantic dialouge start shortly after...


Acording to the dialouge, there were multiple enteties detected after the slipspace rupture. Master Chief had some great abilities but spliting into multiple bodies wasn't one of them (and Forward unto Dawn was only cut in 2 pieces) If that was Master Chief why didn't he use his kick ass walkie talkie to let his comrads know he was going into cryo sleep?

For all of you who so firmly belive that Master Chief time travels to Reach... If you ever had a remote chance to support your theory... Halo Reach's trailer is it... What Visual elements from the trailer can you use to back up your idea? After all that is where the theory came from in the first place right?

The purpose of this thread is not to attack anyone's idea's. I believe many others are wondering the same question: On what basis do you come up with a concept like that?
Who knows... Maybe the rest of us can be persuaded...

[Edited on 06.07.2009 9:46 PM PDT]

  • 06.07.2009 9:16 PM PDT
Subject: Halo Reach: Time Traverling Master Chief... Really?
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Posted by: Sp4rt4n119
Thank you sir, that was an epic rendition of this topic.


Posted by: Xx KNOX xX
and how!

Not to mention that the Chief's end of the Frigate never truly entered slipspace. If it did, it would not have been cut apart from the front end and it would have arrived safely with the Arbiter.

  • 06.07.2009 9:27 PM PDT

-6Fears

Posted by: x MibZ x
Not to mention that the Chief's end of the Frigate never truly entered slipspace. If it did, it would not have been cut apart from the front end and it would have arrived safely with the Arbiter.


His half actuly "Fell" out of slipspace, so he was in it for a little while.

  • 06.07.2009 9:34 PM PDT

I keep on saying this over and over again.
I do not WANT the game to deal with time travel, BUT, if you go back and look at bungie's previous game, Marathon, which is considered the spiritual predecessor of the Halo trilogy, one of the main themes in that game is time travel.

I just wish people would stop shooting down ideas like they know what it's going to be about; it's all speculation right now, so let those people say there piece, and like minded individuals share there optimism.

ALSO remember:
it's bungie's universe, so anything could be deemed "Canon".
We really don't have a say, as it is there creation.
We just play it.

  • 06.07.2009 10:40 PM PDT

finally, something to end this time travel nonsense

  • 06.07.2009 11:19 PM PDT
Subject: Time Traveling Master Chief... Really?

jesus makes it happen

UR ALL wrong beat the game on LEGENDARY AND WAIT THERES A MAIN ENDING CHIEF IS GOING TO A DARK DARK MYSTERIOUS Planet it could BE THE GHOST OF ONYX OR REACH AFTER IT WAS Glassed i doubt hes time traveling THATS Y WERE GOIN BACK TO SEE HOW IT WAS BEFORE IT WAS Glassed and chiefs origin thats why they calL it faLl of reach because it was destroyed thats y the say faLls 2010 i think chiefs frigate is goin to reach sorry 4 the spoiLERS

  • 06.10.2009 7:03 PM PDT

Slipspace is NOT time travel, it is a shortcut from point a to point b, the multiple contacts are the hundreds of Covie ships coming to destroy reach.

  • 06.10.2009 7:09 PM PDT
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Elite name: Rymi 'Cazud
Rank: Spec-ops Officer

Wait, whats that? Oh, thats just the sound of no one caring!
And watch where you point that thing next time!

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UR ALL wrong beat the game on LEGENDARY AND WAIT THERES A MAIN ENDING CHIEF IS GOING TO A DARK DARK MYSTERIOUS Planet it could BE THE GHOST OF ONYX OR REACH AFTER IT WAS Glassed i doubt hes time traveling THATS Y WERE GOIN BACK TO SEE HOW IT WAS BEFORE IT WAS Glassed and chiefs origin thats why they calL it faLl of reach because it was destroyed thats y the say faLls 2010 i think chiefs frigate is goin to reach sorry 4 the spoiLERS


are you retarded?

  • 06.10.2009 7:11 PM PDT

lulz weve already been over this thousands of times. lets just totally forget about time travel plzzz

  • 06.10.2009 7:12 PM PDT
Subject: Halo Reach: Time Traverling Master Chief... Really?

Armor Lock isn't overpowered. You just suck at Reach :)

Reach isn't bad, you're just a BK :)

For my gamertag, look up "Ghoulishtie"

There is no time-travel.

The 2 planets are not the same.

Stupid people need to get it through their thick skull.

-_-'

/rant

  • 06.10.2009 7:19 PM PDT
Subject: Time Traveling Master Chief... Really?

Thus I refute thee

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Posted by: petrifiedAK
UR ALL wrong beat the game on LEGENDARY AND WAIT THERES A MAIN ENDING CHIEF IS GOING TO A DARK DARK MYSTERIOUS Planet it could BE THE GHOST OF ONYX OR REACH AFTER IT WAS Glassed i doubt hes time traveling THATS Y WERE GOIN BACK TO SEE HOW IT WAS BEFORE IT WAS Glassed and chiefs origin thats why they calL it faLl of reach because it was destroyed thats y the say faLls 2010 i think chiefs frigate is goin to reach sorry 4 the spoiLERS


are you retarded?



megalolz

  • 06.10.2009 7:21 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sp4rt4n119
Thank you sir, that was an epic rendition of this topic.


Posted by: Xx KNOX xX
and how!

Posted by: petrifiedAK
UR ALL wrong beat the game on LEGENDARY AND WAIT THERES A MAIN ENDING CHIEF IS GOING TO A DARK DARK MYSTERIOUS Planet it could BE THE GHOST OF ONYX OR REACH AFTER IT WAS Glassed i doubt hes time traveling THATS Y WERE GOIN BACK TO SEE HOW IT WAS BEFORE IT WAS Glassed and chiefs origin thats why they calL it faLl of reach because it was destroyed thats y the say faLls 2010 i think chiefs frigate is goin to reach sorry 4 the spoiLERS


The Shield World or "THE GHOST OF ONYX" as you call it looked like a normal planet from the outside except for a very short period of time before it exploded.

And then the whole part where Reach's sun is red, and in the legendary ending it is white. White stars fade to red over millions of years, not the other way around.

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Posted by: RAGNAROK180
Since the presentation of the Halo Reach teaser trailer, fans have been quick to make assumptions about the game's background story. The two contending theories at this point I believe are:

+Master Chief time travels after the events of Halo 3 to the events previous to Halo: Combat Evolved and ends up outside of Reach's orbit before most of the planet was glassed

and

+Halo Reach is nothing more than a prequel


If I am not mistaken, this is not pertenant to this specific topic mind you, the Halo series goes into one of Bungie's earlier series known as the Marathon series which started as someone awakening from a long period in stasis. If Bungie did decide to send Master Chief back in time then they could lose a large sum of money in comparison as to what they could make if they re-did the Marathon series to continue on the Halo franchise, although under a diffrent title.

  • 06.10.2009 7:29 PM PDT

In the jungle of war there is always a lion.
-Tsun Tsu

All I know is that if they eliminate the stories of REACH and add some stupid twist to bring MC into the game; such as time travel, a LOT of people will be very angry and not buy the game. Including me.

  • 06.10.2009 7:34 PM PDT

jesus makes it happen

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Posted by: petrifiedAK
UR ALL wrong beat the game on LEGENDARY AND WAIT THERES A MAIN ENDING CHIEF IS GOING TO A DARK DARK MYSTERIOUS Planet it could BE THE GHOST OF ONYX OR REACH AFTER IT WAS Glassed i doubt hes time traveling THATS Y WERE GOIN BACK TO SEE HOW IT WAS BEFORE IT WAS Glassed and chiefs origin thats why they calL it faLl of reach because it was destroyed thats y the say faLls 2010 i think chiefs frigate is goin to reach sorry 4 the spoiLERS


are you retarded
are you stupid the whoLE REASON BUNGIE IS MAKIN REACH IS BECAUSE WE NEED TO KNOW THE ORIGIN OF CHIEF AND THE SPARTANS READ THE BOOKS AND YOULl learn sumthin the spartans were Labelled AS FREAKS AND FAiled experiments cuzz there aLL dead and were gona c the t LEDENDARY EVENTS

  • 06.10.2009 7:38 PM PDT

Thus I refute thee

Posted by: petrifiedAK
Posted by: Evil Elite
Posted by: petrifiedAK
UR ALL wrong beat the game on LEGENDARY AND WAIT THERES A MAIN ENDING CHIEF IS GOING TO A DARK DARK MYSTERIOUS Planet it could BE THE GHOST OF ONYX OR REACH AFTER IT WAS Glassed i doubt hes time traveling THATS Y WERE GOIN BACK TO SEE HOW IT WAS BEFORE IT WAS Glassed and chiefs origin thats why they calL it faLl of reach because it was destroyed thats y the say faLls 2010 i think chiefs frigate is goin to reach sorry 4 the spoiLERS


are you retarded
are you stupid the whoLE REASON BUNGIE IS MAKIN REACH IS BECAUSE WE NEED TO KNOW THE ORIGIN OF CHIEF AND THE SPARTANS READ THE BOOKS AND YOULl learn sumthin the spartans were Labelled AS FREAKS AND FAiled experiments cuzz there aLL dead and were gona c the t LEDENDARY EVENTS


failcase at life, right got it

  • 06.10.2009 7:39 PM PDT
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First off Reach Is A prequel. reasons 1: More than one spartan 2: Master Chief Was Never part of the ground assault on reach. And another thing in Halo 3 legendary ending mater chief is at an unknown planet or Cortana would know where they are.

  • 06.10.2009 7:44 PM PDT
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Eh?

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First off Reach Is A prequel. reasons 1: More than one spartan 2: Master Chief Was Never part of the ground assault on reach. And another thing in Halo 3 legendary ending mater chief is at an unknown planet or Cortana would know where they are.


I agree, and it's nice to see that some posters still have a little bit of sanity left.

I tip my hat to you good sir.

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Posted by: D31
First off Reach Is A prequel. reasons 1: More than one spartan 2: Master Chief Was Never part of the ground assault on reach. And another thing in Halo 3 legendary ending mater chief is at an unknown planet or Cortana would know where they are.


I agree, and it's nice to see that some posters still have a little bit of sanity left.

I tip my hat to you good sir.


And that is the point of my original post... The Halo trilogy is more than a great multiplayer game. It is an epic story of survival and Bungie is going to make sure it stays that way. The writers at Bungie aren't going to make some lame attempt at bringing Master Cheif back by "time traveling or going back to Reach" if they do then they need to hire writters with fresh ideas. The Halo trilogy and its books are all about historical accuracy (even though its just fiction) think back to the legendary ending.

Does it make mores sense to have Master Chief and Cortana come out of slipspace into Reach's orbit? (wether its the present Reach or Reach from the past it doesn't matter) It's still Reach... Humans are bound to be around... Consider my reference to Master Chief's armor being a badass walkie talkie... either A.) Humans would've detected John 117 or B.) Cortana would've detected incomming transmissions

Or does it make more sense to have MC embark on a new journey? ( I'm not saying that its the case) but it is quite possible that the Brutes might try to bring the covenant back together? To this point much of the history of other races within the Covenant remains uncovered... There are so many thing Bungie could make a succseful game out of as well as a great story and still focus around Master Chief... But time travel... Really?

Bungie has made an excellent job at keeping Halo as a consistent story without any insane plot twist. And thats all the time travel idea is: a ludicrous plot twist.

None of us are trying to flame you time travel enthusiast. We are just trying to predict where the story is headed using "logic". as much as I'd like to see Master Chief kicking some ass again. I would prefer to see a more logical sequel to the story instead of a cheap attempt at making a game with MC on it to make more money ...

  • 06.12.2009 10:08 PM PDT
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Yax is a shining beacon in these dark times. You should all strive to be more like Yax.

The only remote chance that it could be Reach, in my opinion, is if they had arrived there years after it was glassed.

But still, I doubt it is anywhere near Reach because, like you said, they would have been within range of UNSC communications instantly, not years.

  • 06.12.2009 10:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: Markup Protocol
Have you forgotten that the Chief is outside the Milky Way galaxy?


At this point its not really certain where Master Chief is. If I remember correctly the Ark was just outside the Milky Way Galaxy. All we know is that he is just outside a planet's atmosphere. If you want to try and make a logical aproach to this then let me give you this:

A wormhole bends space. Using the idea that " the closest distance between two points is through the middle" the wormwhole or gate in earth is basically as straight path to the Arc (and vice versa) When MC sets off the installation 04 to destroy the Arc they make a straight shot into the gate back to earth... there are two concepts we could implement here as to what a wormhole is:

A.) The Door Concept: Where you walk in through the door way and you are already on the other side

B.) the Hallway Concept: Where you walk into the doorway to traverse a hall untill you reach the exit:

If we apply the "door concept" as to how wormholes in the Halo fiction work then that means MC and Cortana are still where the Arc is because that would mean that the "door" basically was shut on them before their half of the ship even make through thus cutting the ship in half.

Now if we apply the "hallway concept" to the Halo fiction the we can assume that the ship made it intact into the "entrance" of the wormhole, made it across the "hallway" and just before the ship passed through the "exit" the worm hole destablized and closed. This would mean that the back part of the ship "fell" out of hyperspace. So we can logically assume that MC and Cortana are somewhere between Earth and the Arc and convenientlly close to an ominous planet's orbit...

  • 06.12.2009 11:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: petrifiedAK
UR ALL wrong beat the game on LEGENDARY AND WAIT THERES A MAIN ENDING CHIEF IS GOING TO A DARK DARK MYSTERIOUS Planet it could BE THE GHOST OF ONYX OR REACH AFTER IT WAS Glassed i doubt hes time traveling THATS Y WERE GOIN BACK TO SEE HOW IT WAS BEFORE IT WAS Glassed and chiefs origin thats why they calL it faLl of reach because it was destroyed thats y the say faLls 2010 i think chiefs frigate is goin to reach sorry 4 the spoiLERS


Ok... this was what was in my mind... this new Spartan... who exacly is he though? I know one of the ODST's from the new game was in the battle of Reach... so can someone answer these questions?

  • 06.12.2009 11:26 PM PDT

Boba772

Posted by: D31
First off Reach Is A prequel. reasons 1: More than one spartan 2: Master Chief Was Never part of the ground assault on reach. And another thing in Halo 3 legendary ending mater chief is at an unknown planet or Cortana would know where they are.


but they dont talk so she could have known... its us who dont quite know...

  • 06.12.2009 11:28 PM PDT
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Time travel is not possible!
The legendary planey and Reach are not the same planet
Think again wiseass

  • 06.12.2009 11:32 PM PDT

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