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Subject: Even girls can dual wield weapons but ODST's cant?
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Posted by: MOBSTER14
physics, yes it is stupid. but gameplay and fairness, no. if the auto mag is as good as everyone says it should be, then it is like holding 2 battle rifles.

Honestly, it shouldn't be that good. People are just taking it overboard as usual! In theory it will have the same power as the Halo 2 pistol with a scope. That's it!

  • 06.08.2009 6:54 AM PDT

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I think the automag is supposed to be more like the H1 pistol and the H2/H3 BR, rather than the H2/H3 pistols. In other words: a strong, accurate weapon which works best with grenade and melee combos. You don't want to prevent that, or completely over-power the automag, by making it dual-weildable.

  • 06.08.2009 6:59 AM PDT

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Posted by: El1t3M4st3r GR
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Oh, and the turret thing, LMG gunners exist you know. (Guys who carry around large machine guns, often used for turrets).


You mean like this guy? even with smaller guns like this its hard to hande they are too powerfull and a 50 cal Heavy Machine Gun for a humman like the M2 is imposible to carie and shoot, witch is the same as the Halo 3 Heavy Machine Gun - AIE-486H.
Which isn't a .50 cal, more of a .30 cal.


I never sayd this guy was holding M2's or 50 Cal MG's i know they are not 50 cal i was in the army myself and shoot with various MG's with diferent kinds of caliber i also shoot with 50 cal HMG's and i know its imposible to hold/carie and shoot with it like the one in Halo 3, you would propably get yourself killed...

  • 06.08.2009 11:00 AM PDT

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They didn't tell us what it was it could have been anything. Frankie gets scared easy incase you didn't know.

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They can dual wield, it's just not practical. They don't have the required strength to maintain any semblance of accuracy while firing both weapons. In real life, it's nearly impossible to dual wield pistols and fire accurately, especially while moving.

  • 06.08.2009 11:03 AM PDT

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They are to cool for duel weilding. But seriously i dont care that much.

  • 06.08.2009 11:06 AM PDT

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It's a dexterity issue. Dual silenced SMG's would be cumbersome, due to added weight from the silencers and attatchments.

  • 06.08.2009 11:06 AM PDT

Posted by: El1t3M4st3r GR
Im not complaining or wining about the game not being realistic, i dont mind if they are slower or cant jump high,i just dident like the idea that we will not get the chance to dual wield the two new weapons shown.
Imagine dual wielding the new piston even if you could not zoom it would be so sick!

Duel Wielding is, and always will be, a pointless gimmick that has no purpose in Halo.

I'm VERY happy that they removed it from ODST.

  • 06.08.2009 11:07 AM PDT

still ANY human could dual wield a M6D...humans do it everyday with a 9mm and such these days...even the 45. Cal...Uzi's, MP5's...why not ATLEAST let us carry 2 M6D for the rookie and the other ODST...atleast in cutscene...

Im just saying not being able to dual-wield ANYTHING seems a little... awkward?

  • 06.08.2009 11:07 AM PDT
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Have you ever seen, or heard of, any military operation, where the soldiers were dual wielding?

h2:keyes grabs index, fires 2 SMG's at arbiter.
i'm not even goign to bother linking it to some real operation.
why?
halo isnt real.

Keys was able to actually kill the arbiter right? The lack of accuracy obviously doesn't have any affect on it.

  • 06.08.2009 11:08 AM PDT

1. The title is sexist.
2. Those instances were for cutscenes and brief instances.
3. The ODST holding the turret is in firefight where such things matter not.
Besides, who really cares about dual wielding anyway? Its not even that good, you can't melee or throw grenades and it is less accurate.

  • 06.08.2009 11:10 AM PDT

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Posted by: b00m_headshot
They didn't tell us what it was it could have been anything. Frankie gets scared easy incase you didn't know.

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Posted by: Cross Alpha
still ANY human could dual wield a M6D...humans do it everyday with a 9mm and such these days...even the 45. Cal...Uzi's, MP5's...why not ATLEAST let us carry 2 M6D for the rookie and the other ODST...atleast in cutscene...

Im just saying not being able to dual-wield ANYTHING seems a little... awkward?

First of all the ODST pistol is an M6C/S. The Halo 1 pistol was an M6D, and no one, except for a Spartan, would be able to dual wield those. The power in those is equal to, if not stronger, than a Desert Eagle, which takes both hands to fire.

No human can dual wield and be accurate while moving. Most humans can't keep one pistol accurate while moving. Stop trying to act like you know what you're talking about.

  • 06.08.2009 11:10 AM PDT

awww look at the little fluffy rabbit he is dual wielding OMG he just got ran over because of dual wielding it added to much weight to him so he couldnt move (LEASON LEARNED)

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  • 06.08.2009 11:10 AM PDT

Posted by: El1t3M4st3r GR
Then make it less powerfull so you have double the power while dual wielding?

Oh great. The Halo 2 pistol. Again.

  • 06.08.2009 11:11 AM PDT
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I think the point here is that Spartans are able to keep consistent accuracy when dual-wielding, as opposed to normal humans, who most likely can not. The two times Miranda dual-wielded, she was in very close-quarters with her enemies, reducing her chances of missing. It doesn't mean she can dual-wield as effectively as the Chief.

Same goes for the ODSTs. It'd be pointless in most situations.

  • 06.08.2009 11:12 AM PDT

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  • 06.08.2009 11:13 AM PDT

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Posted by: b00m_headshot
They didn't tell us what it was it could have been anything. Frankie gets scared easy incase you didn't know.

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Posted by: Dream053
I think the point here is that Spartans are able to keep consistent accuracy when dual-wielding, as opposed to normal humans, who most likely can not. The two times Miranda dual-wielded, she was in very close-quarters with her enemies, reducing her chances of missing. It doesn't mean she can dual-wield as effectively as the Chief.

Same goes for the ODSTs. It'd be pointless in most situations.

And she never fired the shotgun she had. If she fired that one handed she'd break her arm, or hand.

  • 06.08.2009 11:14 AM PDT

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Posted by: Dream053
I think the point here is that Spartans are able to keep consistent accuracy when dual-wielding, as opposed to normal humans, who most likely can not. The two times Miranda dual-wielded, she was in very close-quarters with her enemies, reducing her chances of missing. It doesn't mean she can dual-wield as effectively as the Chief.

Same goes for the ODSTs. It'd be pointless in most situations.

And she never fired the shotgun she had. If she fired that one handed she'd break her arm, or hand.
or she could of broken her small intestines

  • 06.08.2009 11:17 AM PDT

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Alright people who think duel wielding is effective, let's do a little experiment shall we? Go get a gun preferably a handgun I don't care if it's a real gun, an airsoft gun or a -blam!- dart gun now go set up a target just something to shoot at, now shoot the handgun while holding the handgun with both hands on the firearm, pretty accurate depending on your shooting skill, now shoot with one hand like you would while duel wielding it will most likely be a much less accurate shot now try both of this different shooting styles while moving and trying to shoot the target with the second method you probably won't hit -blam!- compared to the first method, so is duel wielding possible? yes very much so, is it stupid? yes very much so, but hey i fyou wanna duel wield go ahead let them waste there ammo on you >=]

  • 06.08.2009 11:20 AM PDT

Im not acting, I'm pretty sure anyone would dual-wield anything they can get there hands on just to live, and just because your less accurate doesn't mean its impossible.... have you watched WWII documentaries where in number of occasions Marines used a pair of Colt. 45s on Japanese soldiers?

And don't tell me to go grab a pair and shoot 'em bcuz im not a trained soldier I'm a guitarist...

[Edited on 06.08.2009 11:23 AM PDT]

  • 06.08.2009 11:20 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cross Alpha
Im not acting, I'm pretty sure anyone would dual-wield anything they can get there hands on just to live, and just because your less accurate doesn't mean its impossible.... have you watched WWII documentaries where in number of occasions Marines used a pair of Colt. 45s on Japanese soldiers?

And don't tell me to go grab a pair and shoot 'em bcuz im not a trained soldier I'm a guitarist...


Yea those were desperate and EXTREMELY rare situations where all ammo was gone and all they had was pistols left and they got extremely close to the Japanese don't use examples of extreme desperation as a prime example for pro duel wielding because in ODST i doubt ammo will ever be a problem never was in any of the Halo Campaigns for me, well maybe the sniper on legendary but there were plenty of weapons everywhere

  • 06.08.2009 11:27 AM PDT

Posted by: Kaim858585
1. The title is sexist.


Common sexist are you serious?I just made the titile like that to attract some people and get a couple of replys to know what athers think.

I have nothing against women, i dont get your point here anyways everyone knows that women realy can handle a gun.

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  • 06.08.2009 11:27 AM PDT

I'm just saying, besides bungie says that alteast the times where you play as the rookie Survival is your only option...we'll...do anything to survive...

  • 06.08.2009 11:31 AM PDT

Its not just about strength, its hard to aim a single gun, let alone 2! One of which you are using the wrong hand for!

  • 06.08.2009 11:40 AM PDT

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if you ever played Lost Planet, then you should understand the turret thing. And as for the DW, it's better just to use the new weapons by there selves anyway.

[Edited on 06.08.2009 11:47 AM PDT]

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