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Subject: Halo: Reach is not based on Halo: Fall of Reach

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

This wasn't a contradiction, Cortana said what he said, and I said in the same chapter, in the same paragraph. The novels aren't causing problems here right now. Anyway. She was there for the first bit, which is when the Covenant would have used slipspace to get past the orbital grid, which they didnt, because she was there when that grid was destroyed too.

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True, but there is no way this is in the future. perhaps its a different defense grid? Or it could be that the trailer just gives you an idea of what to expect, but is almost nothing like the actual thing. (think of the first Halo 3 Commercial.

I'm going to give the trailer another listen or two and get back to you.

Edit; Alright, you've got me. I'm curious though, what if the planet they show isn't Reach?

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Posted by: sparten110
True, but there is no way this is in the future. perhaps its a different defense grid? Or it could be that the trailer just gives you an idea of what to expect, but is almost nothing like the actual thing. (think of the first Halo 3 Commercial.

I'm going to give the trailer another listen or two and get back to you.

Edit; Alright, you've got me. I'm curious though, what if the planet they show isn't Reach?

It is possible that the planet isn't Reach. However, as far as I know only two planets were considered large enough to be given an orbital defence system; Reach and Earth. The covenants attacks on Earth are clearly shown in previous Halo games, so I doubt the trailer will have anything to do with those.

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True, but it can't happen in the future because of what the trailer itself says....hmmm.....They could be doing what Ensemble did, bust ignore all the books and do whatever is needed for good game play. I pray they didn't, but it's a possibility.

  • 06.08.2009 6:34 AM PDT

OP, it's a nice try, but the trailer makes it very clear it is Fall of Reach

1. "From the beginning, you know the end." Obviously a prequel
2. You hear Sierra 259 talking. 259 never made it off Reach.

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OP, it's a nice try, but the trailer makes it very clear it is Fall of Reach

1. "From the beginning, you know the end." Obviously a prequel
2. You hear Sierra 259 talking. 259 never made it off Reach.

You have a problem there. 259 is way to high to be a SPATAN-II. There were only a hundred and something candidates, and only like 32 survived the augmentations without being killed or crippled.

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OP, it's a nice try, but the trailer makes it very clear it is Fall of Reach

1. "From the beginning, you know the end." Obviously a prequel
2. You hear Sierra 259 talking. 259 never made it off Reach.

"From the beggining, you know the end." Who knows the beggining? What end? Classic Bungie misdirection, or it could do two things at once: a prequel and a sequel, a game going through the events of Reach, First Strike, and Ghosts of Onyx from Fred's point of view before continuing the story.
There were only 150 Spartan II-s. That's why Sierra 259 is mysterious. Possibly a second generation of Spartan II-s, which would indicate a later date.

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OP, it's a nice try, but the trailer makes it very clear it is Fall of Reach

1. "From the beginning, you know the end." Obviously a prequel
2. You hear Sierra 259 talking. 259 never made it off Reach.

"From the beggining, you know the end." Who knows the beggining? What end? Classic Bungie misdirection, or it could do two things at once: a prequel and a sequel, a game going through the events of Reach, First Strike, and Ghosts of Onyx from Fred's point of view before continuing the story.
There were only 150 Spartan II-s. That's why Sierra 259 is mysterious. Possibly a second generation of Spartan II-s, which would indicate a later date.

Perhaps not. It was said that Mendez would go and train Spartan-IIs, but as we know he never did. As far as hasely knew, the program was scrapped. Meaning that 259 has to be a Spartan-III; however most of them were sent on suicide runs, and to our knowledge none were at Reach.

  • 06.08.2009 6:47 AM PDT

This is a great idea, and I believe you are right. You have the facts and it seems like this could be a way for Bungie to wrap the story up completely

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Posted by: XiXMrSpadeXiX
OP, it's a nice try, but the trailer makes it very clear it is Fall of Reach

1. "From the beginning, you know the end." Obviously a prequel
2. You hear Sierra 259 talking. 259 never made it off Reach.

"From the beggining, you know the end." Who knows the beggining? What end? Classic Bungie misdirection, or it could do two things at once: a prequel and a sequel, a game going through the events of Reach, First Strike, and Ghosts of Onyx from Fred's point of view before continuing the story.
There were only 150 Spartan II-s. That's why Sierra 259 is mysterious. Possibly a second generation of Spartan II-s, which would indicate a later date.

Perhaps not. It was said that Mendez would go and train Spartan-IIs, but as we know he never did. As far as hasely knew, the program was scrapped. Meaning that 259 has to be a Spartan-III; however most of them were sent on suicide runs, and to our knowledge none were at Reach.

True, but as someone pointed out earlier in the thread they were also assigned letters to their name to identify which company they were in, rather than the S that all spartan II-s had.

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Posted by: blarghonk2

When you add in the mysteries of Spartan 259, most likely a Spartan-III, and the similarity between Reach in the trailer and the planet seen in the legendary ending of Halo 3, it makes sense for it to be based after the events of Halo 3, most likely continuing many years after the chief was lost in the void.

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most likely?

where are you pulling that one out of?

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Lets not forget the Covenant were already planning this attack, and caught the humans off guard. This means they could have come out of slipspace already prepared. The Orbital defense Mac platforms are not designed to destroy small ships. And other UNSC ships would for the most part not have launched or been prepared.

Basically the Covenant had alot of time to get the smaller ships under the grid, and initiate this attack.

Ships leaving slipspace rip a hole in space, and discharge a heck of a lot of energy. It shows up on any sensor pretty much immediatly. They may not have had time to prepare defences, but they would have known about them long before the ships were able to get under the orbital defences.
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but remember how the spartan 3's took SOEIV's out of slipspace to get to that one covvie planet?
whos to say the covvies themselves couldn't jet some elite pods out for themselves, or some phantoms?

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True, but as someone pointed out earlier in the thread they were also assigned letters to their name to identify which company they were in, rather than the S that all spartan II-s had.

True, but what about Noble One? not an S. John was referred to as Serra 117, I will give you that, but noble One doesn't fit the theory.

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Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
Lets not forget the Covenant were already planning this attack, and caught the humans off guard. This means they could have come out of slipspace already prepared. The Orbital defense Mac platforms are not designed to destroy small ships. And other UNSC ships would for the most part not have launched or been prepared.

Basically the Covenant had alot of time to get the smaller ships under the grid, and initiate this attack.

Ships leaving slipspace rip a hole in space, and discharge a heck of a lot of energy. It shows up on any sensor pretty much immediatly. They may not have had time to prepare defences, but they would have known about them long before the ships were able to get under the orbital defences.
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but remember how the spartan 3's took SOEIV's out of slipspace to get to that one covvie planet?
whos to say the covvies themselves couldn't jet some elite pods out for themselves, or some phantoms?

A single pod cannot eject from slipspace into a gravitational field. The Spartan III-s were in stealth craft that came out of slipspace away from the planet, then stealthed towards it.

  • 06.08.2009 7:04 AM PDT

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The grid is not that close to the planet.......

So a jump "under it" would still mean there's plenty of room between them and the planet.

And what part about this don't you understand?

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The grid is not that close to the planet.......

So a jump "under it" would still mean there's plenty of room between them and the planet.

And what part about this don't you understand?

Let people theorize. We all know the thing is a prequel. However the trailer still leaves many questions that are being looked at in this thread.

  • 06.08.2009 7:06 AM PDT
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I agree, good idea. That said, as other's have posted, the tag line suggests we're experiencing the Fall of Reach. The release date, also, I initially misread as Fall 2010, but actually says FALLS 2010. So yeah, good idea, it might be worth to keep on thinking, but at the moment, I don't agree.

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The grid is not that close to the planet.......

So a jump "under it" would still mean there's plenty of room between them and the planet.

And what part about this don't you understand?

Strangely, orbital defences are in orbit. Who would have imagined it?

  • 06.08.2009 7:07 AM PDT

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The grid is not that close to the planet.......

So a jump "under it" would still mean there's plenty of room between them and the planet.

And what part about this don't you understand?

Strangely, orbital defences are in orbit. Who would have imagined it?

And strangely, gravitational pull isn't so strong in orbit. Remember how Regret jumped out of New Mombasa? The ability to jump into and out of a gravitational pull is only disallowed by autopilot. Using manual controls, it is possible.


And I find it hilarious that you can't understand that this is a prequel. And there's spartans......sooooooo that rules out your "Way before" theory.

Please, think things through before making these excuses for "Theories".

  • 06.08.2009 7:14 AM PDT

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There's a few holes in your theory. One poster had pointed out pretty well how the idea of a Spartan 3 would be unlikely at the time of the Battle of Reach.

However you do make a good point about the term "enemy". We forget about the Forerunner sentinels. The books clearly hinted at ONI or at least some form of human intelligence knew about Forerunner ruins etc before Autumn found the first Halo. So in keeping with your theory of Covenant being unable to jump into an atmosphere... perhaps it was sentinel type ships jumping in.

To further lend some weight to this lets not forget that the covenant was in fact looking for things on Reach. Perhaps something the Sentinels or Forerunner whatevers could have been interested in also.

Just a thought really...

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Be nice.

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Nvm, you guys already mentioned it.

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Be nice.

I always am.

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The grid is not that close to the planet.......

So a jump "under it" would still mean there's plenty of room between them and the planet.

And what part about this don't you understand?

Strangely, orbital defences are in orbit. Who would have imagined it?

And strangely, gravitational pull isn't so strong in orbit. Remember how Regret jumped out of New Mombasa? The ability to jump into and out of a gravitational pull is only disallowed by autopilot. Using manual controls, it is possible.


And I find it hilarious that you can't understand that this is a prequel. And there's spartans......sooooooo that rules out your "Way before" theory.

Please, think things through before making these excuses for "Theories".

Did you read the theory? Regret was able to jump out because the ability to do that had been discovered by that point in the timeline. The ability to slipace jump cannot be manually controlled by anyone short of an AI. Do you have the ability to run calculations in ten simaltaneous dimesions? No.
I said that the way before theory was unlikely, soooooooo why are you going on about that? And gravitational pull is gravitational pull. If it's strong enough to keep an object in orbit, it's strong enough to distort the slipspace field. You can't even jump inside of a solar system because of all the differing gravity fields.

  • 06.08.2009 7:19 AM PDT

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At this point it's necessary to point out that this trailer does not happen in real-time. It's clear that the trailer represents an extended period of time, say, over a period of hours.

The pings below the defense grid merely is referencing the Covenant dropships being sent down to the ground.

There are no slipspace ruptures under the orbital defense grid.

Also, your theory that this happens AFTER the fall of reach is also flawed. Why would, as seen in the trailer, the entirety of Reach still be intact? First strike clearly indicates that all but a very small area has been glassed.

It would not have been prior to the Fall of Reach, or it would have undoubtedly have been referenced in one of the books. Reach was the most important colony of the Inner Colonies - its importance was only second to Earth. A large battle taking place there prior to the fall of Reach would have been at least briefly referenced to in at least one of the books. It isn't.

The trailer is not in real time. It is a brief look at events which took place over an extended time frame. There is no abstract theory needed to explain the 'multiple pings below the defense grid'. It's simply the Covenant troops being sent to take out the reactors for the orbital guns.

  • 06.08.2009 7:22 AM PDT