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Posted by: blarghonk2
Posted by: Morg211
Then again they also said "We have SPARTAN'S on the ground sir, we're not going anywhere."

As of 2552+ Spartan 117 John was the last remaining Spartan capable of using slipspace to travel to another galaxy as the other Spartan's that were actually alive were trapped in the shield world known as Onyx, they wouldn't have said Spartan's if Chief is the only one capable of getting to reach let alone inside it's gravitational fields.

Sorry but your theory is wrong and also 2552+ Reach was destroyed, and in your theory your implying that Halo: Reach happened at a later time than Halo 1.....

Your missing a lot of points. It is possible to rebuild Reach, and the Spartans on the ground could have been spartan III-s, or newly trained Spartan II-s.


Maybe so but if they were still fighting they wouldn't rebuild a planet that would take years to rebuild they would focus on the war, and Dr Halsey is the owner of the Spartan II project meaning that the Spartan II project would not be active until she escapes Onyx along with the rest of the Spartans, and Lt Ambrose (Kurt) is also dead along with nearly all of the spartan III's except for the remainder of Team Saber, they have no available contact aswell, so they would not even be able to learn of the attack on the "Rebuilt Reach"

  • 06.08.2009 8:13 AM PDT

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Your first conclusion wont work because of this. Anything that takes place in the Halo universe is based off a HUGE "Halo Story Bible" that bungie has possession of. My guess is that Bungie will go into more depth about the groundside events of The Battle of Reach more so than The Fall of Reach and First Strike did. Halo: Reach- Falls 2010 is also a dead giveaway that it will most likely have to do with the fall of the planet Reach. *cough* Not to mention the Covenant Cruisers glassing the planet. *cough*

In Halo: Reach, the blockbuster prequel to the Halo trilogy, experience the events that transpired on the planet Reach.

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  • 06.08.2009 8:15 AM PDT

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Posted by: radical00edward
Your first conclusion wont work because of this. Anything that takes place in the Halo universe is based off a HUGE "Halo Story Bible" that bungie has possession of. My guess is that Bungie will go into more depth about the groundside events of The Battle of Reach more so than The Fall of Reach and First Strike did. Halo: Reach- Falls 2010 is also a dead giveaway that it will most likely have to do with the fall of the planet Reach. *cough* Not to mention the Covenant Cruisers glassing the planet. *cough*

In Halo: Reach, the blockbuster prequel to the Halo trilogy, experience the events that transpired on the planet Reach.

*cough* terraforming in the OP *cough*
It is entirely possible that it will be based around the groundside events at the Fall of Reach, but there are other things it could be about, and I'm presenting a few here.

  • 06.08.2009 8:21 AM PDT

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Posted by: blarghonk2
Posted by: Morg211
Then again they also said "We have SPARTAN'S on the ground sir, we're not going anywhere."

As of 2552+ Spartan 117 John was the last remaining Spartan capable of using slipspace to travel to another galaxy as the other Spartan's that were actually alive were trapped in the shield world known as Onyx, they wouldn't have said Spartan's if Chief is the only one capable of getting to reach let alone inside it's gravitational fields.

Sorry but your theory is wrong and also 2552+ Reach was destroyed, and in your theory your implying that Halo: Reach happened at a later time than Halo 1.....

Your missing a lot of points. It is possible to rebuild Reach, and the Spartans on the ground could have been spartan III-s, or newly trained Spartan II-s.

Thats the thing - it wouldnt be possible to rebuild Reach. Glassing a planet completely destroys its atmosphere.

In Contact Harvest (I remember now), it is said how not all planets can be terraformed - only planets which are already somewhat suitable can be. I believe it says in the book, something alone the lines of 'terraforming can only act as a gentle push'.
Reach would no longer be suitable after it was glassed.
It could not be rebuilt.
Halo: Reach does not take place AFTER the end of the Battle of Reach.
It is a PREQUEL, and a prequel only.

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I've got Contact Harvest, and I don't remember anything like that being said. I looked for the bit about Terraforming, but couldn't find it. And who's to say that new technology hasn't been developed since Halo 3? It seems like with the number of planets the Covenant glassed they'd be wanting to find a way to reverse the affects.

  • 06.08.2009 8:25 AM PDT

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Im just saying that the current evidence overwhelmingly points to the game being about the events during The Battle of Reach. Who knows really though because nothing is impossible, thats the idea behind Spartans right? Also, all Bungie really needs to do to throw us a curveball is to throw some more of those slipspace anomolies at us haha.

  • 06.08.2009 8:39 AM PDT

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Posted by: blarghonk2
I've got Contact Harvest, and I don't remember anything like that being said. I looked for the bit about Terraforming, but couldn't find it. And who's to say that new technology hasn't been developed since Halo 3? It seems like with the number of planets the Covenant glassed they'd be wanting to find a way to reverse the affects.

You seem to be making a few massive leaps of logic now.
While the massive war with the Covenant is going on, you know, where humanity is getting slaughtered, the UNSC is researching better terraforming technology? I highly doubt it.
Also, I'm getting the quote now, since you seem to think it doesn't exist.

Also, I just realised you are pulling me off track.

It is a PREQUEL. That much has been all but confirmed.
It does not take place after Halo 3.

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  • 06.08.2009 8:40 AM PDT

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Posted by: blarghonk2
I've got Contact Harvest, and I don't remember anything like that being said. I looked for the bit about Terraforming, but couldn't find it. And who's to say that new technology hasn't been developed since Halo 3? It seems like with the number of planets the Covenant glassed they'd be wanting to find a way to reverse the affects.

You seem to be making a few massive leaps of logic now.
While the massive war with the Covenant is going on, you know, where humanity is getting slaughtered, the UNSC is researching better terraforming technology? I highly doubt it.
Also, I'm getting the quote now, since you seem to think it doesn't exist.

Also, I just realised you are pulling me off track.

It is a PREQUEL. That much has been all but confirmed.
It does not take place after Halo 3.

I realise there was a section about Terraforming, I just don't remember it going into that much detail. And I was talking about the UNSC researching it after the war had finished.
And by your own words, not yet fully confirmed. There is still room for discussion.

  • 06.08.2009 8:46 AM PDT

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Posted by: sammyb123

It is a PREQUEL. That much has been all but confirmed.
It does not take place after Halo 3.

Exactly.

  • 06.08.2009 8:46 AM PDT

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Posted by: blarghonk2

I realise there was a section about Terraforming, I just don't remember it going into that much detail. And I was talking about the UNSC researching it after the war had finished.
And by your own words, not yet fully confirmed. There is still room for discussion.

It clearly says in the trailer 'From the beginning, You know the end.'

You cannot seriously argue that this doesn't mean it is a prequel?

The trailer SAYS that it is 'From the beginning'. The fact that we already know the end means that nothing post-Halo 3 will be added.
Simple as that.
There isn't room for discussion, stop trying to make Olympic-standard leaps of logic to say otherwise - such leaps include 1) The statement is wrong in the video, 2) Coherent conversation = the whole trailer is in real time, 3) Reach was rebuilt and then destroyed again, 4) The reason it could be rebuilt is because of some random new terraforming technology, because it's after Halo 3 even though the trailer explicitly says it is a prequel.

I'm leaving this thread now, it's obvious that this is a prequel, and if you can't see that despite the overwhelming evidence, there is no way to convince you otherwise until Bungie releases more info which proves you wrong, which they inevitably will.

[Edited on 06.08.2009 8:56 AM PDT]

  • 06.08.2009 8:55 AM PDT

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Posted by: sammyb123
Posted by: blarghonk2

I realise there was a section about Terraforming, I just don't remember it going into that much detail. And I was talking about the UNSC researching it after the war had finished.
And by your own words, not yet fully confirmed. There is still room for discussion.

It clearly says in the trailer 'From the beginning, You know the end.'

You cannot seriously argue that this doesn't mean it is a prequel?

The trailer SAYS that it is 'From the beginning'. The fact that we already know the end means that nothing post-Halo 3 will be added.
Simple as that.
There isn't room for discussion, stop trying to make Olympic-standard leaps of logic to say otherwise - such leaps include 1) The statement is wrong in the video, 2) Coherent conversation = the whole trailer is in real time, 3) Reach was rebuilt and then destroyed again, 4) The reason it could be rebuilt is because of some random new terraforming technology, because it's after Halo 3 even though the trailer explicitly says it is a prequel.

I'm leaving this thread now, it's obvious that this is a prequel, and if you can't see that despite the overwhelming evidence, there is no way to convince you otherwise until Bungie releases more info which proves you wrong, which they inevitably will.

God Bless you.

Peace out.

  • 06.08.2009 9:01 AM PDT

It's not an unidentified enemy.
Found this in another thread. Pay no attention to the names, but you can clearly see Covenant Cruisers glassing.

If you actually read the books, all of them, not just Fall of Reach, then you'd know that the Covenant COULD perform in orbit slipspace jumps. Reach takes place in the same year as all of the games, so they had this ability in the books and the games.

It very well could be a terraformed future-Reach, and they very well could be SPARTAN III's. But the Covenant would not be fighting the humans, and as far as we know, the elites would not be fighting the humans. It's possible something changed the elites minds, or maybe a new enemy defeated the elites and took over their ships. More Flood?
But the above paragraph is entirely not possible because, as it has been mentioned, FROM THE BEGINNING YOU KNOW THE END.

But just to let you know, it is very unlikely that this is in the future in any way. Oh, that reminds me, SPARTAN III's were around at the time of Reach's fall. Check the dates given in Onyx. SPARTAN III's were secreted by ONI, so it's entirely possible that not even the Chief knew they were on Reach.


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  • 06.08.2009 9:06 AM PDT

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicole_(Dead_or_Alive)

Nicole is Spartan 458 well above the number mentioned in the trailer im aware this spartan never features in any books or bungie made products im just pointing out the fact they may be spartans with a high service tag

  • 06.08.2009 9:20 AM PDT

"The lord works in mysterious ways, but not today!" - A.Jonson Marine Sargent

The UNSC ships do not have precise enough slipspace engines to perform an in-gravity jump, and whilst the covenant have the technology to perform an in-gravity jump, they don't have the knowledge until Cortana takes control of a covenant ship and discovers the ability. A covenant AI managed to broadcast this information to the rest of the covenant ships, giving them the ability to make jumps like the Prophet of Regret did in Halo 2. This was discovered many weeks after the destruction of Reach, and the point at which Halo: Reach is speculated to take place.

this doesn't make sence. how can the covernant know how to in-gravity jump when they found out from Cortana who found out from te covenant? its a paradox.

so the covenant could jump in-gravity before the events on Reach.

now i know from reading the books that the covenant don't in gravity jump to reach they jump in and open fire on the UNSC ships in orbit.

could you explain your paradox?

  • 06.08.2009 9:22 AM PDT

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Here is another theory: Bungie isn't sticking to the Halo:Fall of Reach, canon. The reason for this is to make a better game. Now they can do stuff like give "prototype" Mark V6 armor to the Spartans on the ground. Perhaps MC gets it as well (which is why there is no introduction in Halo 2), but it gets badly damaged and he needs to put on Mark V before he goes on the ship into space.

Or the story isn't about MC and they can give Mark VI armor to Spartans on the ground as a prototype in field test (after all Chief's armor didn't have any glitches or anything).

That is just one example. They don't need to strictly adhere to the book canon. Just the general ideas I would say. I think taking everything page by page would make for bad gameplay and be a waste of time.

  • 06.08.2009 9:34 AM PDT

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Posted by: CINCAN
The UNSC ships do not have precise enough slipspace engines to perform an in-gravity jump, and whilst the covenant have the technology to perform an in-gravity jump, they don't have the knowledge until Cortana takes control of a covenant ship and discovers the ability. A covenant AI managed to broadcast this information to the rest of the covenant ships, giving them the ability to make jumps like the Prophet of Regret did in Halo 2. This was discovered many weeks after the destruction of Reach, and the point at which Halo: Reach is speculated to take place.

this doesn't make sence. how can the covernant know how to in-gravity jump when they found out from Cortana who found out from te covenant? its a paradox.

so the covenant could jump in-gravity before the events on Reach.

now i know from reading the books that the covenant don't in gravity jump to reach they jump in and open fire on the UNSC ships in orbit.

could you explain your paradox?

I said I wasnt coming back, but I'll help you out with this one.

In First Strike, which takes place between Halo 1 and 2, Master Chief, Cortana and a few Marines take over a Covenant ship. Cortana goes inside the ship's systems, and at that point learns how to use their technology. Since the Covenant didn't have such advanced AIs, they hadn't fully understood the calculations needed to make such jumps. However, when Cortana performed such a jump, the Covenant AI logged how to do it, and later sent that information to the ships at Reach.

Hope it helps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicole_(Dead_or_Alive)

Nicole is Spartan 458 well above the number mentioned in the trailer im aware this spartan never features in any books or bungie made products im just pointing out the fact they may be spartans with a high service tag

Bungie have said that Nicole is out of canon (ie. It didn't really happen)

[Edited on 06.08.2009 9:36 AM PDT]

  • 06.08.2009 9:35 AM PDT

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Posted by: RvB Rocks95
It's not an unidentified enemy.
Found this in another thread. Pay no attention to the names, but you can clearly see Covenant Cruisers glassing.

If you actually read the books, all of them, not just Fall of Reach, then you'd know that the Covenant COULD perform in orbit slipspace jumps. Reach takes place in the same year as all of the games, so they had this ability in the books and the games.

It very well could be a terraformed future-Reach, and they very well could be SPARTAN III's. But the Covenant would not be fighting the humans, and as far as we know, the elites would not be fighting the humans. It's possible something changed the elites minds, or maybe a new enemy defeated the elites and took over their ships. More Flood?
But the above paragraph is entirely not possible because, as it has been mentioned, FROM THE BEGINNING YOU KNOW THE END.

But just to let you know, it is very unlikely that this is in the future in any way. Oh, that reminds me, SPARTAN III's were around at the time of Reach's fall. Check the dates given in Onyx. SPARTAN III's were secreted by ONI, so it's entirely possible that not even the Chief knew they were on Reach.


Here is another theory. Fall of Reach is only canon in the sense that all the information presented is what master chief knows. Obviously ONI could have other secrets (ODST anybody) and there could have easily have been more Spartans etc.

  • 06.08.2009 9:36 AM PDT

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Posted by: blarghonk2
[quote]Posted by: XiXMrSpadeXiX
OP, it's a nice try, but the trailer makes it very clear it is Fall of Reach

1. "From the beginning, you know the end." Obviously a prequel
2. You hear Sierra 259 talking. 259 never made it off Reach.

"From the beggining, you know the end." Who knows the beggining? What end? Classic Bungie misdirection, or it could do two things at once: a prequel and a sequel, a game going through the events of Reach, First Strike, and Ghosts of Onyx from Fred's point of view before continuing the story.
There were only 150 Spartan II-s. That's why Sierra 259 is mysterious. Possibly a second generation of Spartan II-s, which would indicate a later date.[/quote

That doesn't mean anything. Although I personally think (and hope) this just means a deviation from the book "Canon", towards the game "Canon", from the beginning you know the end could just mean that the Fall of Reach somehow relates to the end of the Halo series (forerunners anybody?).

  • 06.08.2009 9:41 AM PDT

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good theory

  • 06.08.2009 9:44 AM PDT

Remember Reach!

I like this theory and it seems to be plausible but there are still so many questions that will have to be answered by Bungie in the future. After ODST launches, get ready for a full assault of Reach knowledge. I do, however, think that this game will be focused on the novel Fall of Reach at least in some capacity. I don't think Bungie would focus entirely on that though because the diehard fans already know that story and they wouldn't waste an entire game rehashing.

  • 06.08.2009 10:06 AM PDT

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Posted by: CINCAN
The UNSC ships do not have precise enough slipspace engines to perform an in-gravity jump, and whilst the covenant have the technology to perform an in-gravity jump, they don't have the knowledge until Cortana takes control of a covenant ship and discovers the ability. A covenant AI managed to broadcast this information to the rest of the covenant ships, giving them the ability to make jumps like the Prophet of Regret did in Halo 2. This was discovered many weeks after the destruction of Reach, and the point at which Halo: Reach is speculated to take place.

this doesn't make sence. how can the covernant know how to in-gravity jump when they found out from Cortana who found out from te covenant? its a paradox.

so the covenant could jump in-gravity before the events on Reach.

now i know from reading the books that the covenant don't in gravity jump to reach they jump in and open fire on the UNSC ships in orbit.

could you explain your paradox?

Very easily. The Covenant had the technology to do the jumps, but did not know how to do them. When Cortana took control of a Covenant ship she was able to work out, by herself, how to perform the jumps.
And the whole point of this thread is that they couldn't have jumped under the defences.

  • 06.08.2009 1:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: blarghonk2
Halo Reach story theory

Okay, so here's a theory about Halo: Reach, and what the story may contain.

For people to understand my theory, I'm going to have to explain the basics of slipspace travel, and a few of the events of First Strike. If your familiar with halo background, you may want to skip down a bit.

For those of you that don't know, slipspace travel is a bit complex, and I'm just going to explain the parts relating to my theory. First and foremost, before the events of Halo: First Strike, it was believed impossible by all known species in the Halo universe to perform a slipspace jump near or in a strong gravitational field. The UNSC ships do not have precise enough slipspace engines to perform an in-gravity jump, and whilst the covenant have the technology to perform an in-gravity jump, they don't have the knowledge until Cortana takes control of a covenant ship and discovers the ability. A covenant AI managed to broadcast this information to the rest of the covenant ships, giving them the ability to make jumps like the Prophet of Regret did in Halo 2. This was discovered many weeks after the destruction of Reach, and the point at which Halo: Reach is speculated to take place.

The theory

Now, this is all based around a few lines from the beginning of the Halo: Reach trailer.
Unconfirmed reports of an in system slipspace rupture.
That's impossible, check your source.
Reading multiple pings below the orbital defence grid.
This can't be happening.
There's no mistake. It's them.


As you can see, an unidentified enemy has managed to jump underneath the orbital defence grid, which is well within the effect of the planets gravitational field. My point is this. At the point in time that Halo: Fall of Reach is set, neither humanity nor the covenant had the ability to make slipspace jumps into gravity affected areas. Based on this fact, Halo: Reach cannot be based around Halo: Fall of Reach unless Bungie seriously warps the background.
Based upon my theory of the slipspace jumps, and the assumption Bungie won't change the background, two conclusions can be made.

1. The game takes place after the events of Halo 3, when Reach has been rebuilt.
2. The game is based before the events of Halo: Fall of Reach, based around a battle on Reach against a previously unknown enemy.

When you add in the mysteries of Spartan 259, most likely a Spartan-III or a second generation of Spartan II, and the similarity between Reach in the trailer and the planet seen in the legendary ending of Halo 3, it makes sense for it to be based after the events of Halo 3, most likely continuing many years after the chief was lost in the void.



To those of you saying Reach could not be re-colonised because it was glassed, here is an article on halopedia about terraforming and how the UNSC make planets suitable for humans to live on.

I am well aware that Xbox.com has confirmed it is a prequel, but that dosen't mean that there can't be more things going on here. I realise my conclusions are a bit dodgy at best, but they fit the facts and are perfectly plausible. Until it comes out of Bungie's mouth this is wrong, I'm gonna believe.


During Reach they jumped point blank to the defense grid which is within the gravitational field of the planet. I would be surprised if they couldn't jump a hundred meters closer to the planet. Especially considering they had the technology to do so.

[Edited on 06.08.2009 1:28 PM PDT]

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Now that's plausible... Nice one.

  • 06.08.2009 1:38 PM PDT

No in Halo The Fall of Reach the Orbital MAC platforms aimed at the poles of the Reach to destroy the covie dropships.

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